THC % Does Not Measure The High

BurlingtonBam

Active Member
Everyone's DNA is different, as is everyone's reason for smoking weed. Some for nausea, some depression, some just because they're bored, and others for all those reasons. lol. It makes perfect sense to me that people may like a certain high. Hell, if you get one of the crazy smokes and can't move a muscle but have a ton of shit to do, that's not that good. lol. I think it's a matter of different people liking different highs, as well as different people's DNA's using different weeds differently. Some are just classics though. I mean think of it like this, just because something knocks you on your ass doesn't mean its going to be your favorite. lol.


Hello All ,

New user here . Not so new grower . No old timer either .

I recently have taken to testing my strains for THC % with a local lab . I am noticing the grows that get great user reviews do not necessarily have the highest THC % . In fact , the local favorite is coming in at 9% , which is half of my other strains !

I do not think the lab is at fault . I think there is a lot more to the quality of the high than THC % . In addition , I am starting to question the reasoning behind the commonly held notion that Sativas are always energetic and Indicas are sleepers .

There is a BBC documentary that really seems to confirm this . See YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cAFRAX3Gs .

Does anybody have similar observations ?

I am trying to understand why some strains make people giggle and chat and others make people sleep . THC % is not the deciding factor . CBD ? CBN ? Other Magic Stuff ?

Thank You ,
Matt Thematic
 

Medigan

Member
I watched the video and saw nothing to support any reason for you to "question the reasoning behind the commonly held notion that Sativas are always energetic and Indicas are sleepers."

It has long been known that cannabinoids work in conjunction with each other, as do some terpinoids. Some work to enhance the effects of THC and others work against the effects of THC. None on their own will produce a good high.

Cannabidiol is nonpsychoactive and was initially thought to have no effect on the psycho activity of THC. More recent evidence however shows that smokers of cannabis are less likely to experience schizophrenia-like symptoms if there is a higher CBD to THC ratio. Experiments show that participants experienced less intense psychotic effects when intravenous THC was co-administered with CBD. It has been hypothesized that CBD acts as an allosteric antagonist at the CB1 receptor and thus alters the psychoactive effects of THC, resulting in a more easily manageable high.

That is what was seen in the video, what the researcher was testing for.

CBD has a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor than for the CB1 receptor, meaning that its effect is mostly in the body and not so much in the head. CBD shares a precursor with THC and is the main cannabinoid in low-THC cannabis strains like hemp.

Landrace strains, usually of indica heritage, contain higher concentrations of CBD than recreational drug strains, which are usually bred towards a higher concentration of THC. This is the reason why strains containing high ratios of CBD can be difficult to find.

Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC), is the primary psychoactive component found in the cannabis plant. It was first isolated by Raphael Mechoulam, Yechiel Gaoni, and Habib Edery from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, in 1964.

This is the main compound that gives rise to the high that is tightly linked with the cannabis plant. It affects several areas of the brain simultaneously and can therefore give rise to an assortment of experiences, ranging from altered perception of time and the self, to feelings of euphoria and relaxation all through the body.


Medically, it appears to be analgetic, meaning that it is capable of alleviating even severe pain. It is also known to be neuroprotective, which rules out the possibility of brain damage, which was initially proposed to follow from heavy use of the plant. It has approximately equal affinity for the CB1 and CB2 receptors. By binding to CB1 receptors (the ones in brain) it produces the high that we are so familiar with. That is why the effects of THC is more cerebral, than the effect of CBD, which seems to have a greater affinity for the CB2 receptor.

THCV is the propyl homologue of THC and is similar in structure. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some varieties originating from Southeast and Central parts of Asia as well as Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Nepal. What are considered some of the most potent marijuana varieties also contain propyl cannabinoids. Some examples include traditional African landrace sativas as well as pure Thai varieties and various hybrids known as Haze.

Cannabinol is the primary degradation product of THC and increases in concentration with plant age. The concentration of this product in the bud is heavily dependent on the time of harvest. Harvesting the bud at a late stage also means that the concentration of CBN in relation to THC will be higher when compared to the peak of THC production.

Also, the woman in the video kept referring to "skunk." She said "new strains of skunk." As I understand things, in Great Britain is a blanket term for any high potency pot and not actually a skunk strain. No particular strain type was referred to. Nothing that was said would be reason to question if sativas do in fact cause a more uplifting energetic head high or not or if indicas do in fact cause a more heavy narcotic body stone or not.

And when you said "sativas" I had to wonder if you meant 100% pure land-race sativas or 100% sativa crosses or like most people mean when they say sativas, a sativa/indica hybrid that is predominantly sativa but does have some indica in it so along with a head high there would be some degree of a body stone. There can be a fairly big difference between a real true land-race sativa and a sativa dominant hybrid cross, so if you did not mean a true sativa you should state that you are talking about a sativa dominant hybrid cross. The same goes for when you say indica. For anyone to formulate a valid response they would really need to know for sure just what you are talking about.

Since 1968 I have smoked mainly real sativas, and before about 1980 that was all I smoked, and I have never run across one that was indica-like, that had a heavy narcotic couchlock body stone sort of buzz to it. Not one. Not all were the same in every way, but all were energetic and uplifting and thought provoking to some degree or another.

I really cannot see where you are on to anything.
great info! Thanks :)
 
i think it all depends what you are using it for. for me. i got fybro and a pure indica is the best for my condition. i would rather have a pure indica at 18% thc the a sativa at 30%. now ill still vape that sativa don't get me wrong but im a medical cannabis user first and a conasure of fine cannabis second.
 
but indica's fill me full of energy and let me do what ever i need to do with out really getting me "high". but thats because i got fybro. my back is normaly all tense so when i use and indica it looseness it up to be normal. a normal person it knocks them on there ass because they just took a large amount of muscle realaxers. thats why it knocks them on their asses. a satavia just gets me all stoned with out really healping my fybro. unless the satavia is high in cbd then i can feel the medical benafits of it.
 
All of us are uncertain, none have access to all studies and resources. Although i am not proposing to end the discussion, perhaps it would be good to rely on some statistics as they could help string together what has until now proven to be a very complex issue. If those interested were to agree on some popular categories for effects of strains, a list could be compiled with each individual's experience smoking that particular strain that could be assigned to a category and we could construct a list mapping out the various effects. People who looked at the strains' biochemistry in detail would surely profit for this hugely, as it could give some relativity to the area. Knowledge of how it was grown would evidently be a key component. If the idea is popular, the complexity of the list could be developed, including factors such as the ethnicity, age, size and sex of each participant. I would suggest to those who like the idea to involve more people, as the list might otherwise lack data and be of minor significance.
 
I just read through this whole thread and it got me thinking.........

Are the terpenes, flavinoids and other cannabinoids found in the plant matter,the trichomes or both? If both, which specifically are found where? Also, when vaporizing am I getting extra of these goodies as opposed to smoking? Is it possible fire/heat destroys these elements as it does THC? I notice when I vaporize my meds as opposed to smoking I have increased appetite stimulation along with a very heavy sleepy feeling. These effects are not initially onset but rather 2-3 hours after medicating. I'm mainly asking because I love me some ice hash but at the same time am wondering if it would be best to just vaporize plant matter if there are extra medicinal benefits(flavinoids, terpenes etc.)
 

Dennisweed813

New Member
A lot of u people are really air headed. It all depends on the strain ur smoking that produces which high fits you. Most strains are hybrids. thc/cbd it all depends on ur type of high but whatever testifys the thc % the highest = stronger
 

CannaHelpYou

New Member
I'm just speaking from experience, I'm not an expert, but I have smoked a lot as the only tester for the dispensary that I worked at. I found that super high THC wasn't the main factor. There had to be a particular balance of CBD and THC. I rarely felt a "high" from high CBD, but I did get pain relief. I have never smoked a sativa that caused couch lock. But we did have strains that if you looked them up on sites. One would call it a sativa and one would call it an indica. I found that the only way to tell was the shape of the leaves and smoking it. I don't know if this is true, but some of our ADD and bi-polar patients had opposite effects with sativa and indica, although some of our patients may have "forgotten" that they ate a 420 bar the day before. Which for me would counteract any indica I would have smoked!
 

tookrazy

Member
A lot of u people are really air headed. It all depends on the strain ur smoking that produces which high fits you. Most strains are hybrids. thc/cbd it all depends on ur type of high but whatever testifys the thc % the highest = stronger
Agreed


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