Advanced Nutrients B-52. Is it worth the price?

[budman111]

Noone should grow using bottled nutrients unless they are all organic.

LOL WTF.

 

[Canna_Man]

LOL WTF.

You dont understand what that means? Im referring to growing using roots organics or GO line (bottled organic nutrients). Synthetics is garbage idk what is so hard to comprehend about that statement.. Maybe you dont understand it idk but thats your issue not mine

Organic grown flowers are far superior in quality than synthetically grown plants. Only reason anyone would want to grow using synthetics is if they are focusing on yields or dont understand the complexity of growing organics because it is much harder to do than synthetic one part feeding chart style growing. Id rather get 2 lbs per light than 2.5 of high grade, clean, organically grown bud. That was my point of that comment in case you had trouble understanding it.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

if you guys ignore him he might go away

 

[budman111]

You dont understand what that means? Im referring to growing using roots organics or GO line (bottled organic nutrients). Synthetics is garbage idk what is so hard to comprehend about that statement.. Maybe you dont understand it idk but thats your issue not mine

Organic grown flowers are far superior in quality than synthetically grown plants. Only reason anyone would want to grow using synthetics is if they are focusing on yields or dont understand the complexity of growing organics because it is much harder to do than synthetic one part feeding chart style growing. Id rather get 2 lbs per light than 2.5 of high grade, clean, organically grown bud. That was my point of that comment in case you had trouble understanding it.

Organics have to be broken down into chemicals for the plants to uptake.

 

[Canna_Man]

if you guys ignore him he might go away

Noone is talking to you at all so idk why you are even involved in this conversation. Go back and feed you 2 plants with your dynagro and keep it moving this is an AN thread something you know nothing about.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

go reply to other threads?

 

[Canna_Man]

Organics have to be broken down into chemicals for the plants to uptake.

You obviously have no clue about growing organics. Organic nutrients can be all natural in powder and granular form or can come in bottles that you put into your soil which are then broken down by beneficial bacteria and microlife. So using bottled organics like GO, or Roots Organic products you are feeding your soil the essential elements that will be converted by the benes and microlife which in turn convert them into useable forms for your plants. So yes organic nutrients can be in liquid form in a bottle.

If you have just a plain coco/peat/perlite mix and add in your bene/microbes and fungi how are your plants going to feed with no nutrients in the container???

The answer is you can either A. Use amendments that need to be "cooked/composted" which are your "super soil mixes" OR
You can supply them via liquid forms from a bottle or organic blends which will than be converted into useable forms for your plants by the microlife.

So you are trying to tell me that you cant grow organics usin bottled forms of these organic nutrients? Take Natures Nectar as example they have straight bottles of N-P-K your vitamins and essential micro nutrients in liquid form. You trying to tell me that isnt growing organically when those are in a bottle?

You dont know what you are talking about

Organics = Feed your soil and microlife which breaks down to useful forms for plants. Natural enzymes and chelation by bacteria and microlife to convert to energy and nutrients

Versus the bs way to go which is alot easier to do and simple for simple minded folks

synthetics = force feeding your plants vis roots or foliar sprays which are readilt available. You dont need worry about them being broken down and chelated for uptake.

 

[Canna_Man]

Organics have to be broken down into chemicals for the plants to uptake.

So what does that have to do with liquid organics? Its the same fuckin shit

 

[Kygiacomo]

you are way too inevested into this thread, and if your intention is to speak the praises of AN and sell it, well you didnt do your job. If you work for AN, you should be fired.

Looked at your posts, and you obviously work for them.

This forum needs about 100 moderators to clean up not only multiple sales account but also all the negativity and childish BS. someday when Roll it up is no longer, it is the trolling that ruined it.

its already called troll it up and i agree with u

 

[budman111]

You obviously have no clue about growing organics. Organic nutrients can be all natural in powder and granular form or can come in bottles that you put into your soil which are then broken down by beneficial bacteria and microlife. So using bottled organics like GO, or Roots Organic products you are feeding your soil the essential elements that will be converted by the benes and microlife which in turn convert them into useable forms for your plants. So yes organic nutrients can be in liquid form in a bottle.

If you have just a plain coco/peat/perlite mix and add in your bene/microbes and fungi how are your plants going to feed with no nutrients in the container???

The answer is you can either A. Use amendments that need to be "cooked/composted" which are your "super soil mixes" OR
You can supply them via liquid forms from a bottle or organic blends which will than be converted into useable forms for your plants by the microlife.

So you are trying to tell me that you cant grow organics usin bottled forms of these organic nutrients? Take Natures Nectar as example they have straight bottles of N-P-K your vitamins and essential micro nutrients in liquid form. You trying to tell me that isnt growing organically when those are in a bottle?

You dont know what you are talking about

Organics = Feed your soil and microlife which breaks down to useful forms for plants. Natural enzymes and chelation by bacteria and microlife to convert to energy and nutrients

Versus the bs way to go which is alot easier to do and simple for simple minded folks

synthetics = force feeding your plants vis roots or foliar sprays which are readilt available. You dont need worry about them being broken down and chelated for uptake.

Another typical one from the 'Organic Bandwagon'.

 

[Yodaweed]

You obviously have no clue about growing organics. Organic nutrients can be all natural in powder and granular form or can come in bottles that you put into your soil which are then broken down by beneficial bacteria and microlife. So using bottled organics like GO, or Roots Organic products you are feeding your soil the essential elements that will be converted by the benes and microlife which in turn convert them into useable forms for your plants. So yes organic nutrients can be in liquid form in a bottle.

If you have just a plain coco/peat/perlite mix and add in your bene/microbes and fungi how are your plants going to feed with no nutrients in the container???

The answer is you can either A. Use amendments that need to be "cooked/composted" which are your "super soil mixes" OR
You can supply them via liquid forms from a bottle or organic blends which will than be converted into useable forms for your plants by the microlife.

So you are trying to tell me that you cant grow organics usin bottled forms of these organic nutrients? Take Natures Nectar as example they have straight bottles of N-P-K your vitamins and essential micro nutrients in liquid form. You trying to tell me that isnt growing organically when those are in a bottle?

You dont know what you are talking about

Organics = Feed your soil and microlife which breaks down to useful forms for plants. Natural enzymes and chelation by bacteria and microlife to convert to energy and nutrients

Versus the bs way to go which is alot easier to do and simple for simple minded folks

synthetics = force feeding your plants vis roots or foliar sprays which are readilt available. You dont need worry about them being broken down and chelated for uptake.

Sorry to tell you those bottled nutrients aren't truly organic, why do you think they don't carry ANY organic certifications? They have synthetic materials in them and you are growing hydro - style by using that method, that is not how you grow organic bud. Organic bud is grown using an organic medium and either having the nutrients already cooked into your soil and you can layer it or you can make tea's from certified ingredients but trust me GENERAL HYDROPONIC's GENERAL ORGANIC LINE IS NOT ORGANIC!!!

 

[chuck estevez]

 

[Canna_Man]

Sorry to tell you those bottled nutrients aren't truly organic, why do you think they don't carry ANY organic certifications? They have synthetic materials in them and you are growing hydro - style by using that method, that is not how you grow organic bud. Organic bud is grown using an organic medium and either having the nutrients already cooked into your soil and you can layer it or you can make tea's from certified ingredients but trust me GENERAL HYDROPONIC's GENERAL ORGANIC LINE IS NOT ORGANIC!!!

They are organic based they wont use synthetic forms of nutrients only way they are processed.

Natures Nectar is certified. Some companies dont want to spend the money to certify them and secondly it could be 99% organic and if they use even one extraction method or process than it isnt qualified.

General Organics
Roots Organics
Nature Nectar
Bio Canna

These are all organic. But may contain some small amount of synthetics or a process used to chelate them but they are all organic based and derived from natural sources. Read the labels it tells you what the sources are. You arent gonna find edta, map or dap in any of those products.

Vegamatrix is organic/veganic but has 5% synthetics but it is still considered organics.

No it isnt 100% all natural organic OMRI certified but it also isnt bs synthetics either.

These bottled organics take GH general organics as an example. The only reason they arent certified is because they chelate their nutrients so they are already broken down for your plants to be readily available and absored. So the process isnt organic but the ingredients and sources of nutrients are, so it still is considered organic.

But im done arguin you guys do what you want keep em growing. Later

 

[Canna_Man]

The point I was making is that if you are going to use bottled nutrients use quality organic based nutrients which arent synthetic based. You wont burn your plants, you dont need to worry about ppm or ph and they use better forms of nutrients that are naturally derived and organic which produces better quality medicine and final products.

Thats all I was saying. Synthetics is good for nothing but yields. I grow for quality and best possible cleanest meds I can grow. If I want to get huge yields I like AN. But I would rather use GH General Organics or Bio Bizz (really good all organic nutrients) and I think they are certified or at least a few of the products are certified if not all of them. There are some certified all organic nutrient lines on thr market that are in bottle form liquids you can use.

 

[Kygiacomo]

Bud factor x is literally Epsom salt and water. The sulfer is giving you the results you like. You could save yourself a whole lot of money....

wrong! bud factor x is not just epsom that is what everone thinks. its got chitosan in it which is why it works so good and bringing out trichs. chitosan activates the plants SAR and part of the plants defense system is more trichomes.

 

[Kygiacomo]

"Epsom salt and sulfur". This reiterates my point of advanced user not really understanding what they are using. Epsom salt is magnesium sulphate. There is no and.

From my recollection, the liquid is clear and odorless, while chitosan fucking stinks and usually uses other essintial oils to cover that smell (mint,Rosemary,ect). Plant produce their own amino acids, so no reason to have those in the bottle. Just a marketed gimmick.

once again spreading mis information and its clear u didnt do ur research -check this link http://www.superiorhydrola.com/MSDS/Bud_Factor_X.pdf and u can also hear the breakdown of it to from this

 

[Yodaweed]

They are organic based they wont use synthetic forms of nutrients only way they are processed.

Natures Nectar is certified. Some companies dont want to spend the money to certify them and secondly it could be 99% organic and if they use even one extraction method or process than it isnt qualified.

General Organics
Roots Organics
Nature Nectar
Bio Canna

These are all organic. But may contain some small amount of synthetics or a process used to chelate them but they are all organic based and derived from natural sources. Read the labels it tells you what the sources are. You arent gonna find edta, map or dap in any of those products.

Vegamatrix is organic/veganic but has 5% synthetics but it is still considered organics.

No it isnt 100% all natural organic OMRI certified but it also isnt bs synthetics either.

These bottled organics take GH general organics as an example. The only reason they arent certified is because they chelate their nutrients so they are already broken down for your plants to be readily available and absored. So the process isnt organic but the ingredients and sources of nutrients are, so it still is considered organic.

But im done arguin you guys do what you want keep em growing. Later

I wouldn't touch something that is .000001% synthetic. Enjoy smoking your cancer. Trust me those large corporations can afford the certification I know a company that is small and carries ORMI listing they don't have it because their stuff is not organic PERIOD not 99% not 90% not 99.99999% they are straight up inorganic. That is why they don't get a certification because they have the revenue to afford it.

 

[Yodaweed]

The point I was making is that if you are going to use bottled nutrients use quality organic based nutrients which arent synthetic based. You wont burn your plants, you dont need to worry about ppm or ph and they use better forms of nutrients that are naturally derived and organic which produces better quality medicine and final products.

Thats all I was saying. Synthetics is good for nothing but yields. I grow for quality and best possible cleanest meds I can grow. If I want to get huge yields I like AN. But I would rather use GH General Organics or Bio Bizz (really good all organic nutrients) and I think they are certified or at least a few of the products are certified if not all of them. There are some certified all organic nutrient lines on thr market that are in bottle form liquids you can use.

List one please, I would like to see the certification, general organics has inorganic compounds in it, their preservatives are inorganic, I have called them spoken to their master scientist and they will not tell you what's in it , they will tell you it's not certified and they will not get the certification. They will make claims like they cannot afford the cert even though there are tiny mom and pop companies that carry ORMI or USDA certs. Shit I got some turnip seeds that are USDA certified organic from a SMALL company.

 

[Yodaweed]

The only advantage to using General Organics over General Hydroponics 3 part is that the organic formula is soy based and not salt based so you can get less salt build up on your roots. That is all, both are inorganic compounds made by monsonto GMO farmers ( General Hydro and Monsonto are linked).

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

once again spreading mis information and its clear u didnt do ur research -check this link http://www.superiorhydrola.com/MSDS/Bud_Factor_X.pdf and u can also hear the breakdown of it to from this

Your getting all your facts from the manufacturer or a retailer. Talk about a conflict of interest. They are trying to sell you something.

Many growers on here know the results of using sulfer (Epsom salts) to promote essintial oil production. @RM3 post about it regularly.

Since "I didn't do my research", please explain to me how a synthetic grow see any benefits from chitosan. Theirs no microbiology to breakdown into the enzyme the plant can use. so it's a marketing gimmick to make you think this bottle is something miraculous.