nope but time sure does. right now if you cheap out on cobs you can beat a 1000 hps for less than $800
They aren't alone.
I'd sure like your opinions and experience to continue showing up in my thread.
The power utility is very interested in helping larger operators upgrade to the very most efficient lighting possible. I've heard of $1200 per fixture subsidies for going with LED, and that's before COB tech and its efficiency gains were available.
Lol don't talk down to me. I'm hittin 3 per 1k consistently . Single ended hps and gavita de
They do make occasional appearances, but peeps with good info and interesting ideas are always welcome!
Chuck you do know that same lame argument can be applied to people who have invested so much time and money in old technology and are now so set in their ways that they're either unable and unwilling to change with the era? I can't believe the irony of that argument is lost on you every time you use it?
Not very nice......
I obviously touched a nerve,lol
Seems to be what you're best at, because it sure isn't growing.
how the fuck would you know what I grow child.? You can't win with your led arguments, so you attack me with childish remarks, i have seen your yellowed crap, so you shouldn't talk to anyone about growing son.
Yes I said .5 gpw lol... It is simply one form of measurement and for smaller indoor growers efficiency is key especially when growing less than a freaken warehouse...
and that bud was dank before it was put into a screw press wet and packed into a tire 7 months before delivery...
You almost went there in like the 3rd paragraph.Jesus... People going to bust out battle axes and kill each other over .5 gpw
Regardless of LED's, DE's, El Chapo still grows the shit cheaper than all of you... However it may have sat in a tire for 3 months
on a serious note someone growing on a 5x5, 3x3 etc that wants to maximize am still pro led in that respect... I run HPS systems, but I can't ignore the efficiency even putting aside all the terpene GC derivative and HPLC tests that have been done
Once you introduce all of these reps, and industrial monopolies going on then you have a white wash that occurs... I have never ran LED's... simply HPS SE & DE... I bet ten bucks that we have a battle of growers hobby & commercial ( Your Medical Co Op is Commercial), reps, and stoners with many banking on ad, promotional, service, and product monies...
What lighting do you currently run mongo? Reflector type? PM me if you don't want to say on the forum.
Shout out SkunkD0c yeah! I miss him too FanJan, we had some good times. Artisans? Couldn't be more wrong and as usual reflects more what you guys do pretengineering your diy lights.
You bring up a classic argument, another one then what I mentioned in my quote and in the posts I reply to. I got to say you are original, usually led fans don't argue replacing 1000w hps with 1000w led. Apart from that you are as cliche as your high priests were years ago already. I could instead refer you to older discussions instead of tearing apart your post and expose your typical extreme bias, but what would be the fun in that...
Meh I was there for those old posts. You never decimated a single argument. Ever honestly its laughable to think as such.Shout out SkunkD0c yeah! I miss him too FanJan, we had some good times. Artisans? Couldn't be more wrong and as usual reflects more what you guys do pretengineering your diy lights.
For a time when hps was hard to get in some areas growers like realstyles started stealing car lights. Leds that is, put enough together and it grows cannabis...
You bring up a classic argument, another one then what I mentioned in my quote and in the posts I reply to. I got to say you are original, usually led fans don't argue replacing 1000w hps with 1000w led. Apart from that you are as cliche as your high priests were years ago already. I could instead refer you to older discussions instead of tearing apart your post and expose your typical extreme bias, but what would be the fun in that...
So let's sum up your claims and logic:
For somewhere around a little less than $800 dollar I can buy 1000watt of led, that produces 80,000 lumen which will easily "beat/top" that 1000watt gavita if ran hard as possible, and for a $1000 I can get a similar but much more efficient led setup. One that will make me more efficient and save me $50 per year in bulb.
I see you learned the Bibled well, it is as if I'm reading your high priests. Which means, you are full of shit.
1. A gavita DE 1000 costs $450-500, not $800.
2. A phillips DE has a lumen ouput (in the par region) of 140-ish thousand whopping lumens. Yeah, remove those inflated reflection losses and it will still out do your numbers.
3. A gavita DE 1000 can be boosted to 1150w.
4. A gavita can raise the temps far enough for the high ppf to actually be efficient.
5. A phillips DE bulb costs closer to $100 than $50, in all fairness, but clearly does not change anything about your so typically skewed and biased theoretic comparison.
6. A gavita is of a professional, high grade, safe, quality that will last longer than it needs too, just like the leds. Unless you boil them... The leds that is...
7. You confuse power usage with efficiency in general. As long as @REALSTYLES is living in the ghetto led is not more efficient for growing cannabis. Chuck put it nicely earlier, it's all forum fodder. All egos derived from connecting a few cobs to a driver and heatsinks and the inherent effect of running them soft... it has 'driven' some to madness.
