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basseye

basseye

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Hybridway said:
I don't know all the internet terms but I'm guessing another ghost account if that's what it's called when a member opens a new account under a new name pretending to be someone else.
Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt. I see that shady shit here all the time.
I noticed it's usually the vendors (I'll name no names, cough, cough, GG) that like to play Hide n go Troll to try & discredit the better companies. But what goes around comes around as many saw w/ PhotonFud. Haha!
They get caught all the time & whatever little credibility they once had is flushed down the toilet w/ most.
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It was a legitimate question.i have only seen you talk about amare.i havent seen your diy cob grows but im sure you have one to make that claim of amare being the best.unless its just the best light you have used,meaning you still dont know how other cobs perform? I just want the best.from the little bit of threads i have been able to read i see most people follow the path laid out by supra greengenes growmau5 and a few others and go diy to get the best output for the money.but maybe im missing something.amare doesn't have a website so i cant see any prices or more importantly specs on the products at all.
Forgive me for not knowing but are you a sales rep or tester of the products?
Im also seeing alot of people starting to use the citizen cobs in builds.how do those compare to the others in price and quality?
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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basseye said:
It was a legitimate question.i have only seen you talk about amare.i havent seen your diy cob grows but im sure you have one to make that claim of amare being the best.unless its just the best light you have used,meaning you still dont know how other cobs perform? I just want the best.from the little bit of threads i have been able to read i see most people follow the path laid out by supra greengenes growmau5 and a few others and go diy to get the best output for the money.but maybe im missing something.amare doesn't have a website so i cant see any prices or more importantly specs on the products at all.
Forgive me for not knowing but are you a sales rep or tester of the products?
Im also seeing alot of people starting to use the citizen cobs in builds.how do those compare to the others in price and quality?
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Keep doing your homework & you'll see the differences in lights. Then you'll understand. If I sat here & explained then I would only come off more as salesman which I am not, by pointing out all the things that makes my light better to me. Been there done that. It opened up many eyes. But I'm done with that. I show results & give a suggestion once n awhile now. Good luck with whatever you decide. Just remember, an open mind can learn allot.
 
Rahz

Rahz

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maxamus1 said:
OK still need a Lil help understanding some things. So what makes a cob light better than the bulb types ? Wouldn't being able to control the whites, blues and reds be better than full spectrum whites? Don't you still have to run a UFO with the cobs for flowering? I'm not downing anything or trying to get stuff started just want to understand.
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I haven't seen any yield numbers from blurple or red enhanced to make me suspect it's better, though I don't disagree with the theory. Despite at least a couple brands of blurple being willing to provide part numbers in their builds, no one has ever done a grow off and framed the results in grams per par watt -vs- white while also showing an improvement over what are considered common yields from other sources.

I have attempted to create a weighing system using a photosynthesis rate derived from spectrum. Samples from 2700K 90CRI to 3500K 80 CRI suggested a factor difference of 76-80 (5%), so the lower K option having more red should be 5 percent more effective per par watt, but also produces less par watts. A red supplemented light would essentially be replacing a percentage of the 50 factor light with 95-100 factor light. With enough red the final factor could be around 90 which makes it worth considering. But again as far as I know there are no documented comparison results that suggest whether such a factor exists. Besides, the newer cobs are hitting efficiency levels that include the extra red in every par watt so matching the efficiency is important to keep in mind, otherwise red enhanced becomes more of a break even situation.
 
maxamus1

maxamus1

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Rahz said:
I haven't seen any yield numbers from blurple or red enhanced to make me suspect it's better, though I don't disagree with the theory. Despite at least a couple brands of blurple being willing to provide part numbers in their builds, no one has ever done a grow off and framed the results in grams per par watt -vs- white while also showing an improvement over what are considered common yields from other sources.

I have attempted to create a weighing system using a photosynthesis rate derived from spectrum. Samples from 2700K 90CRI to 3500K 80 CRI suggested a factor difference of 76-80 (5%), so the lower K option having more red should be 5 percent more effective per par watt, but also produces less par watts. A red supplemented light would essentially be replacing a percentage of the 50 factor light with 95-100 factor light. With enough red the final factor could be around 90 which makes it worth considering. But again as far as I know there are no documented comparison results that suggest whether such a factor exists. Besides, the newer cobs are hitting efficiency levels that include the extra red in every par watt so matching the efficiency is important to keep in mind, otherwise red enhanced becomes more of a break even situation.
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So you're saying it basicly comes down to personal preference then. Or buying one or the other doesn't give you an advantage one way or the other correct?
 
Rahz

Rahz

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maxamus1 said:
So you're saying it basicly comes down to personal preference then. Or buying one or the other doesn't give you an advantage one way or the other correct?
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The efficiency of the source plays a big part in photosynthesis per watt. At this point I can only guess based on theory but for instance, if you took a white light that was providing 2 umol/j and red enhanced it with a final umol/j of 1.8 then you would probably be breaking even. If you add more red while keeping the efficiency the same then it's a good deal. That's the theory at least.

With 1.5 GPW figures from 600w SEs over flood tables (a member here posted those figures a couple years back), it's clear that the plants can make efficient use of a spectrum that's peaking around 580nm, so it's not clear whether the math involved is determining the effect red, or the lack of it, has on whole plant growth.

We would all love to see a controlled test with known parameters. It would include near identical side by sides except for the light source. Observers should be able to verify the diodes being used and the drive current for both lamps (and ideally some temp readings near the test point) so that accurate PAR wattage figures can be determined for each space. PPFD should be similar, so while the input/output and par wattage doesn't have to be identical the par wattage should at least be similar if being used in identical footprints. If there's a notable difference in output I think it would be acceptable to use asymmetrical footprints provided they have the same PPFD. Once that's established it's a simple matter to compare the par wattage to the yield and come up with a winner based on the spectrum.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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basseye said:
It was a legitimate question.i have only seen you talk about amare.i havent seen your diy cob grows but im sure you have one to make that claim of amare being the best.unless its just the best light you have used,meaning you still dont know how other cobs perform? I just want the best.from the little bit of threads i have been able to read i see most people follow the path laid out by supra greengenes growmau5 and a few others and go diy to get the best output for the money.but maybe im missing something.amare doesn't have a website so i cant see any prices or more importantly specs on the products at all.
Forgive me for not knowing but are you a sales rep or tester of the products?
Im also seeing alot of people starting to use the citizen cobs in builds.how do those compare to the others in price and quality?
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Where you at? Done with your ghost account n trolling?
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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Victor6634 said:
Why doesn't amare post there prices ?
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Their web-site got hacked so the old one is up now. They have many new lights though using all the best components.
You can still wire their models & see prices on a few other sites now. I noticed some of them made a clerical error here n there though. Ex: the Pro-9 uses 3590's not 3070's. Your best bet if you're interested is to e-mail them direct for the most info & best prices.
Here's one site that shows their products:

https://growlightcentral.com/products/amare-solarpro

There are a few sites out there that show the info.
 
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sixstring2112

sixstring2112

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yeah this is all i can find on the pro 900 and still no par numbers.par coming soon :roll: @Hybridway is there someplace that sells these for less than 2 grand?

from led growlights depot



el/SKU: SolarPRO 900/sp900

Power output: 900 watts

HID equivalent: 1000-1200 watts DE fixture

LEDs:

  • 4 x Top-Bin CREE CXB3070 COB arrays
  • 30 x 5 watt Top-Bin supplemental CREE XP-G3/XP-E2 LEDs
  • 105 x 3 watt Top-Bin Hi-Intensity diodes; 5 modules with 21 diodes per module
PAR: Coming soon

Lens angle: 90 degrees

Coverage area: 60" x 60" (25 sq ft) @ 36" above canopy

Thermal management: Internal cooling fans; Oversized aluminum heatsinks

Dimensions: 24” x 24" x 3.5”

Operating temperature: Avoid extreme ambient heat

Operating/input voltage: 85v-265v AC; 50Hz-60Hz; 8.18A@110V and 4.09A@220V

Output voltage: UL standard output voltage - less than 76v DC

Product weight: Coming soon

Recommended height above canopy: 30"-48"; Amare does not recommend to place the COB panel less than 30" above the canopy with lenses installed.

Additional details: UL-listed Meanwell drivers; Aluminum housing with brilliant gloss-white powder coat

Product includes: Fixture and cord

Recommended for: Grow tents; Full-cycle growing from seedling to flower; Soil, hydroponic, aeroponic, or aquaponic systems
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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sixstring2112 said:
yeah this is all i can find on the pro 900 and still no par numbers.par coming soon :roll: @Hybridway is there someplace that sells these for less than 2 grand?

from led growlights depot



el/SKU: SolarPRO 900/sp900

Power output: 900 watts

HID equivalent: 1000-1200 watts DE fixture

LEDs:

  • 4 x Top-Bin CREE CXB3070 COB arrays
  • 30 x 5 watt Top-Bin supplemental CREE XP-G3/XP-E2 LEDs
  • 105 x 3 watt Top-Bin Hi-Intensity diodes; 5 modules with 21 diodes per module
PAR: Coming soon

Lens angle: 90 degrees

Coverage area: 60" x 60" (25 sq ft) @ 36" above canopy

Thermal management: Internal cooling fans; Oversized aluminum heatsinks

Dimensions: 24” x 24" x 3.5”

Operating temperature: Avoid extreme ambient heat

Operating/input voltage: 85v-265v AC; 50Hz-60Hz; 8.18A@110V and 4.09A@220V

Output voltage: UL standard output voltage - less than 76v DC

Product weight: Coming soon

Recommended height above canopy: 30"-48"; Amare does not recommend to place the COB panel less than 30" above the canopy with lenses installed.

Additional details: UL-listed Meanwell drivers; Aluminum housing with brilliant gloss-white powder coat

Product includes: Fixture and cord

Recommended for: Grow tents; Full-cycle growing from seedling to flower; Soil, hydroponic, aeroponic, or aquaponic systems
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You get a much better description from Amare directly. Nice pictures too! And Par #'s.
You'd like that light Six, seeing how you use DE's. It comes with the option of In-Lined cooled too, neat design w/ dual ports.

Oh yeah, the answer to your question is yes.
 
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BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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sixstring2112 said:
yeah this is all i can find on the pro 900 and still no par numbers.par coming soon :roll: @Hybridway is there someplace that sells these for less than 2 grand?

from led growlights depot



el/SKU: SolarPRO 900/sp900

Power output: 900 watts

HID equivalent: 1000-1200 watts DE fixture

LEDs:

  • 4 x Top-Bin CREE CXB3070 COB arrays
  • 30 x 5 watt Top-Bin supplemental CREE XP-G3/XP-E2 LEDs
  • 105 x 3 watt Top-Bin Hi-Intensity diodes; 5 modules with 21 diodes per module
PAR: Coming soon

Lens angle: 90 degrees

Coverage area: 60" x 60" (25 sq ft) @ 36" above canopy

Thermal management: Internal cooling fans; Oversized aluminum heatsinks

Dimensions: 24” x 24" x 3.5”

Operating temperature: Avoid extreme ambient heat

Operating/input voltage: 85v-265v AC; 50Hz-60Hz; 8.18A@110V and 4.09A@220V

Output voltage: UL standard output voltage - less than 76v DC

Product weight: Coming soon

Recommended height above canopy: 30"-48"; Amare does not recommend to place the COB panel less than 30" above the canopy with lenses installed.

Additional details: UL-listed Meanwell drivers; Aluminum housing with brilliant gloss-white powder coat

Product includes: Fixture and cord

Recommended for: Grow tents; Full-cycle growing from seedling to flower; Soil, hydroponic, aeroponic, or aquaponic systems
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Yeah those CXB 3070 are driven at something like 120 watts which is about 37% efficient. Which is just above HID. So stupid. They charge $2k for something that even cheap ass go green leds could crush for quite a bit less. They're over driven to keep cost down but you don't See that in the Price. Price would tell you you should be getting the best and most efficient light like hybridway spreads all over the net and it's pretty Much equal to a gavita DE under 10,000 hours. I just don't
Understand why he torts so much bullshit as truth. Hell its made in China. So
Either he's just too stupid to know or he's working there and just wanting to catch suckers. I'd say it's suckers because to pay $2k for that is fucking stupid.

I'd get 2 timber kits of 4 CXB 3590 and 2
Chilled kits and that would
Demolish amares Ripoff light in efficiency and in output. And reliability. Amare
Is just Targeting the fools with excess
Money who don't look for anything better. And we have one here.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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BM9AGS said:
Yeah those CXB 3070 are driven at something like 120 watts which is about 37% efficient. Which is just above HID. So stupid. They charge $2k for something that even cheap ass go green leds could crush for quite a bit less. They're over driven to keep cost down but you don't See that in the Price. Price would tell you you should be getting the best and most efficient light like hybridway spreads all over the net and it's pretty Much equal to a gavita DE under 10,000 hours. I just don't
Understand why he torts so much bullshit as truth. Hell its made in China. So
Either he's just too stupid to know or he's working there and just wanting to catch suckers. I'd say it's suckers because to pay $2k for that is fucking stupid.

I'd get 2 timber kits of 4 CXB 3590 and 2
Chilled kits and that would
Demolish amares Ripoff light in efficiency and in output. And reliability. Amare
Is just Targeting the fools with excess
Money who don't look for anything better. And we have one here.
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You are so foolish. Can you read. They are 3590's like I said. Typo by that site. You have no idea what you're talking about & continue to pass false info.
What I say is legit. I stay in contact with the owner.
There's just so much you don't know about led in general. I don't think you should be talking about anything but the basic cob light you built.
Stop spreading lies.
If anyone wants to know the truth about the Pro-9, PM me or e-mail the company. Whatever you do, don't listen to this fooleto. All he knows is how to screw a pre-fab together & absolutely nothing else.
You can't even spread false info correctly. 3070's Max load is like 107 watts. Give or take a few. I forgot. Why are you lying to the people?
I'll post the PAR #'s tonight.
 
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BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Hybridway said:
You are so foolish. Can you read. They are 3590's like I said. Typo by that site. You have no idea what you're talking about & continue to pass false info.
What I say is legit. I stay in contact with the owner.
There's just so much you don't know about led in general. I don't think you should be talking about anything but the basic cob light you built.
Stop spreading lies.
If anyone wants to know the truth about the Pro-9, PM me or e-mail the company. Whatever you do, don't listen to this fooleto. All he knows is how to screw a pre-fab together & absolutely nothing else.
You can't even spread false info correctly. 3070's Max load is like 107 watts. Give or take a few. I forgot. Why are you lying to the people?
I'll post the PAR #'s tonight.
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Yeah it's cxa that's almost 120. Oops.

Your amare runs their lights at full wattage lowest efficiency and charges for a top end high efficiency light. That pro P is making about 120 lumens per watt. That's the same as running 900 watts fluorescent
Here's proof that you'll never provide. Except maybe single point measurements IMG_1497.PNG

The monos are ran max too so that efficiency is worse. If that companies cared about a top end Light they would have high efficiency numbers but they don't because they are assembled in China and use the least amount hardware to save a buck. $2,000. That's a fuckin rip off for 120 lumen per watt grow light. A DE is better!!
 
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