Make Liberalism Great Again

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:

Main points:

  • to too many of today's liberals, protecting 'feelings' has become more important than preserving rights
  • If liberals want to win back the white house, there are some very important things that must be done;
  • In 2018 and 2020, liberals need a 'progressive TEA-Party' that runs populist candidates modeled after Bernie Sanders that can steal primaries from establishment democrats. We have to get them out of there! This political party cannot survive if it's loaded up with corporatist shills. The democrats are supposed to be an alternative to that and right now they're not. The democratic party must become a super-organism that survives on the support of everyday people and eshoo's money from major business interests. Liberals must create and sell a bold vision of America... built around specific policies like making higher education a right to those with the academic acumen to earn it. Like making sure people are employed and that they're being fairly compensated for their work. Like protecting the interests of everyday people above the interests of mega rich multinational corporations. Like fixing our roads and bridges. Like building a national high speed rail system. Like ending our dependence on fossil fuels. Like working on ways to reduce or reverse the CO2 saturation that is harming our environment.
  • Kick SJWs to the curb. When ordinary people see liberals wasting our time arguing about pronouns, and turning racial and sexual differences into a grievance culture victim badge for every shitty little cry bully to polish with their own tears, Americans correctly reject the notion that that's what America needs. Liberals need to stop with this culture of coddling weakness and get real. We don't need a bunch of emotionally fragile screeching morons. They're an absolute drain on the liberal platform described earlier. Because according to them, creating a good economy and making sure everyone has healthcare and education is not as important as making sure no one is ever offended by anything that anyone ever says at any time.
  • If we want to win, we need tough liberals who are self assured and put forth good ideas with confidence and who are smart enough to defend those ideas in both a pragmatic and a philosophical way. Our current liberal climate of "there there, have a shoulder to cry on" needs to die, needs to go away.
  • If someone is so emotionally fragile that they psychologically implode when someone disagrees with them, they don't need a political movement to unite them all under one banner, they need mental health care to teach them how to be tolerant of people who are different.
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so you basically want to ape the alt right GOP. Not very imaginative.
 
see4

see4

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GardenGnome83 said:
Hold up with that. Do you understand what would happen if the EC were discarded? Civil war #2. The most populated cities would win elections. Do you think that would sit well in fly-over America?
The problem is the number of votes a state recieves based on population. If each state had 1 vote per 100,000 persons, it would be more fair. As it sits, little bitty podunk shit holes elected trump. And the DNC with their premature coronation...
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So your argument against eradication of EC is, "why should the cities tell the rest of the country what to do"?

My counter to that is quite simple, why should the redneck bible thumpers tell the rest of the country what to do?

Using your solution, this is how an example vote might look.

California population is 38.8 million and they would contribute 388 votes.
North Dakota population is 740,000 and they would contribute 7 votes.

Which is like saying, California contributes 38.8 million votes, and North Dakota contributes 740,000 votes.

Which is what a popular vote is. Every vote counts. Why does geographical location dictate the validity of a vote?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Fogdog said:
so you basically want to ape the alt right GOP. Not very imaginative.
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he's been doing it this entire election cycle. bought right the fuck into the conspiracy theories about "hillary's health", the "donna brazile questions" non scandal, she had dinner with reporters too!

whiny little MRA is gonna be taking it deep in the ass from trump, too. i'll be fine, but he's gonna have a sore rectum.
 
GardenGnome83

GardenGnome83

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see4 said:
So your argument against eradication of EC is, "why should the cities tell the rest of the country what to do"?

My counter to that is quite simple, why should the redneck bible thumpers tell the rest of the country what to do?

Using your solution, this is how an example vote might look.

California population is 38.8 million and they would contribute 388 votes.
North Dakota population is 740,000 and they would contribute 7 votes.

Which is like saying, California contributes 38.8 million votes, and North Dakota contributes 740,000 votes.

Which is what a popular vote is. Every vote counts. Why does geographical location dictate the validity of a vote?
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Why would you discount the states not as populated? That is just seperation. Why have them vote?
 
see4

see4

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Padawanbater2 said:
Scammed how? I didn't vote for Clinton because I don't support what she stands for. Trump will most likely fuck things up, but I don't see how me not voting for Clinton has anything to do with that. Clinton is responsible for that.

Laying the blame on the people who decided not to vote for her is entirely misguided. She is responsible for getting people to vote for her, she's not entitled to votes.
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No offense, but that's a petty argument. I believe you're intelligent enough to know that a vote for a 3rd party candidate was a lazy cop out. I didn't like Hillary for legitimate reasons. Most people who didn't vote for her haven't honestly explained why they didn't and chose to vote for Trump or a 3rd party candidate. I voted for Hillary despite my differences knowing full well the only two options I had were her or Trump.

How did she not earn your vote?
 
Big_Lou

Big_Lou

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Fogdog

Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
he's been doing it this entire election cycle. bought right the fuck into the conspiracy theories about "hillary's health", the "donna brazile questions" non scandal, she had dinner with reporters too!

whiny little MRA is gonna be taking it deep in the ass from trump, too. i'll be fine, but he's gonna have a sore rectum.
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@Padawanbater2 's conversion to the alt right went fast.

Obsession can cloud a person's mind. Witness @Flaming Pie . Too bad Paddy can't move on. Will he start quoting wikileaks about Clinton worshiping Illuminati too?

Clinton lost. I'm over it. I'm proud to oppose Trump but not whining about the election. And fuck the alt right.
 
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