Trump Won't Preside. The Left is Right.

Unclebaldrick

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So if she is not formally charged in 2017 you shall admit you were incorrect in your assumptions about this?
I beleive that she is not guilty and will not be charged. And that trump used the country's need to hate something in his campaign and made people hate Hilary more.
All just our own opinions on the matter.
It doesn't matter what happens. If nothing happens they will not see it as a Trump lie, they will delude themselves into thinking a super-secret investigation is trying to close the whole Pizzagate Ring. Trump was very smart in relying on stupid people's votes. He loves the under-educated - but he does not respect them either.
 

NLXSK1

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So if she is not formally charged in 2017 you shall admit you were incorrect in your assumptions about this?
I beleive that she is not guilty and will not be charged. And that trump used the country's need to hate something in his campaign and made people hate Hilary more.
All just our own opinions on the matter.
Sure. I am not perfect. Just ask UB... LOL! What does my opinion matter?

She is guilty of breaking several laws including having confidential information on her server. Comey admitted that much. We both know that you can be guilty of something and still get off the hook if the cops/DA or whoever decides not to charge you. That is how the system works, pleabargains all the time...

You keep equating hate to wanting someone put in jail for committing a crime. I dont think emotion has to come into the picture. Dont you want criminals locked up? Cant you want that without hating someone?

I dont hate Hillary Clinton. I believe she is crooked and used her foundation as a slush fund for personal enrichment and accepted tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes to affect US policy. You dont seem to have an issue with that.

If you disagree then I would like you to explain why her and bill are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. What exactly were they selling to make so much money?
 

HAF2

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Sure. I am not perfect. Just ask UB... LOL! What does my opinion matter?

She is guilty of breaking several laws including having confidential information on her server. Comey admitted that much. We both know that you can be guilty of something and still get off the hook if the cops/DA or whoever decides not to charge you. That is how the system works, pleabargains all the time...

You keep equating hate to wanting someone put in jail for committing a crime. I dont think emotion has to come into the picture. Dont you want criminals locked up? Cant you want that without hating someone?

I dont hate Hillary Clinton. I believe she is crooked and used her foundation as a slush fund for personal enrichment and accepted tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes to affect US policy. You dont seem to have an issue with that.

If you disagree then I would like you to explain why her and bill are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. What exactly were they selling to make so much money?
I can't speak intelligently about the Clintons personal finances because I don't know and don't pretend to know.
I do know they were fourthcoming with making their taxes public. And that Trump was not. In my opinion the shadiest thing is not releasing your taxes because it looks like you have something to hide.
We are talking opinions here, do you not think your opinion matters?
 

NLXSK1

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I can't speak intelligently about the Clintons personal finances because I don't know and don't pretend to know.
I do know they were fourthcoming with making their taxes public. And that Trump was not. In my opinion the shadiest thing is not releasing your taxes because it looks like you have something to hide.
We are talking opinions here, do you not think your opinion matters?
I asked what it matters. I have an opinion like everyone else which makes them pretty common. Not sure why getting me to admit I was wrong would be anything special.

I believe that you have certain rights to privacy even when you are the president. The IRS has his tax returns and if they dont find anything illegal then he doesnt have anything to hide IMO. There is no requirement that a president release his taxes. Furthermore, he has said that once the audit is over he will release his taxes. I am waiting for the IRS to get off it's ass and remove any excuse Trump has since even though he shouldnt have to he did state that he would release them.

Again though, this is small stuff... What does it matter if he is worth 1 billion or 10 billion. And what does it matter how much in taxes he has paid if he has followed the law? What is it exactly you think you are going to find?
 

Unclebaldrick

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I asked what it matters. I have an opinion like everyone else which makes them pretty common. Not sure why getting me to admit I was wrong would be anything special.

I believe that you have certain rights to privacy even when you are the president. The IRS has his tax returns and if they dont find anything illegal then he doesnt have anything to hide IMO. There is no requirement that a president release his taxes. Furthermore, he has said that once the audit is over he will release his taxes. I am waiting for the IRS to get off it's ass and remove any excuse Trump has since even though he shouldnt have to he did state that he would release them.

Again though, this is small stuff... What does it matter if he is worth 1 billion or 10 billion. And what does it matter how much in taxes he has paid if he has followed the law? What is it exactly you think you are going to find?
 

HAF2

Well-Known Member
I asked what it matters. I have an opinion like everyone else which makes them pretty common. Not sure why getting me to admit I was wrong would be anything special.

I believe that you have certain rights to privacy even when you are the president. The IRS has his tax returns and if they dont find anything illegal then he doesnt have anything to hide IMO. There is no requirement that a president release his taxes. Furthermore, he has said that once the audit is over he will release his taxes. I am waiting for the IRS to get off it's ass and remove any excuse Trump has since even though he shouldnt have to he did state that he would release them.

Again though, this is small stuff... What does it matter if he is worth 1 billion or 10 billion. And what does it matter how much in taxes he has paid if he has followed the law? What is it exactly you think you are going to find?
If your president lies it matters. It speaks to a pattern of behaviour; And a complete lack of respect to his audience. Which is the American people.
 

Bugeye

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If your president lies it matters. It speaks to a pattern of behaviour; And a complete lack of respect to his audience. Which is the American people.
I agree about lying. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Americans will save $2500 a year with Obamacare. Benghazi was about a YouTube video.
 

ArcticGranite

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Sure. I am not perfect. Just ask UB... LOL! What does my opinion matter?

She is guilty of breaking several laws including having confidential information on her server. Comey admitted that much. We both know that you can be guilty of something and still get off the hook if the cops/DA or whoever decides not to charge you. That is how the system works, pleabargains all the time...

You keep equating hate to wanting someone put in jail for committing a crime. I dont think emotion has to come into the picture. Dont you want criminals locked up? Cant you want that without hating someone?

I dont hate Hillary Clinton. I believe she is crooked and used her foundation as a slush fund for personal enrichment and accepted tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes to affect US policy. You dont seem to have an issue with that.

If you disagree then I would like you to explain why her and bill are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. What exactly were they selling to make so much money?
Influence, arms, uranium. Just stuff us ordinary folk can't find at the local grocer.

 

HAF2

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The audience noticed this, HRC lost.
All politicians lie to some extent, it’s the nature of the beast. But Trump lies so much that it is difficult to tell if he is doing it intentionally or he really doesn’t care about the truth. Both are equally despicable in my mind.
 

Bugeye

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All politicians lie to some extent, it’s the nature of the beast. But Trump lies so much that it is difficult to tell if he is doing it intentionally or he really doesn’t care about the truth. Both are equally despicable in my mind.
In Trumps mind, I believe he thinks he is always speaking truth.
 

NLXSK1

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All politicians lie to some extent, it’s the nature of the beast. But Trump lies so much that it is difficult to tell if he is doing it intentionally or he really doesn’t care about the truth. Both are equally despicable in my mind.
What did he lie about this time? Arent you arguing that his percentages are off but what he said is fundamentally true? I dont see any lying.
 

st0wandgrow

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Again though, this is small stuff... What does it matter if he is worth 1 billion or 10 billion. And what does it matter how much in taxes he has paid if he has followed the law? What is it exactly you think you are going to find?
I don't care what his net worth is. I do care what business interests he has around the globe, and what potential conflicts those could cause in his role as potus. His tax return will spell that out.
 

NLXSK1

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I don't care what his net worth is. I do care what business interests he has around the globe, and what potential conflicts those could cause in his role as potus. His tax return will spell that out.
You would get more information out of his public corporate statements and disclosures on that. That is public information already.

God forbid he goes from 10 billion to 20 billion over 8 years.... That would be horrific!!!
 
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