Breeding For Autoflower Seeds

[JL1209]

I've been cloning for awhile and would like to get started breeding for seed. My biggest interest is autoflowing. I have some regular autoflowing seeds (Flash Speedy Ganja). Can I pair two from the same strain with success. Can someone point me in the right direction.

 

[Bad Karma]

Yes, you can breed a male and female of your Speedy Ganja together to create seeds.
Since they are the same strain what you would be doing is "inbreeding" a brother and sister together.
For human reproduction that's not too good, but for cannabis it's great.
The seeds that you produce will be known as an IBL or Inbreed Line.
Depending on what plants you choose to breed together, your resulting seeds could be more stable then their parents.

I'm doing the same thing with some Diesel Ryders, inbreeding them to create seeds.
So far I've collected over 70 seeds from 2 plants, and both still have plenty more to give.
I selected the strongest growing, fastest flowering, fruitiest smelling, and most resinous Diesel Ryders to breed together.
If my seeds do well and produce strong new Diesel Ryders, I will repeat this inbreeding process over the next year.
In that amount of time I believe I can isolate and make dominant that fruity smell I mentioned earlier.
My goal is to produce a Diesel Ryder IBL of seeds that retains all the potency of this strain while replacing the diesel fuel smell with a fruity one.
Good luck.

 

[C.Indica]

If you breed an Autoflower to a Non-Autoflower, the F1 generation will have no autoflowering plants I believe.
But after you select individuals from the F1 generation, and breed them, the autoflowering will start showing up.

When breeding Auto x Auto like you are, the autoflowering (ruderelis) gene should already be dominant, and show up in the F1.

 

[MEANGREEN69]

If you breed an Autoflower to a Non-Autoflower, the F1 generation will have no autoflowering plants I believe.
But after you select individuals from the F1 generation, and breed them, the autoflowering will start showing up.

When breeding Auto x Auto like you are, the autoflowering (ruderelis) gene should already be dominant, and show up in the F1.

i agree with this..from what i read the F2's will have about 25% ruderelis ( auto flower) gene...grow out alot of them to see that 25%

 

[bicycleday]

If you breed an Autoflower to a Non-Autoflower, the F1 generation will have no autoflowering plants I believe.
But after you select individuals from the F1 generation, and breed them, the autoflowering will start showing up.

When breeding Auto x Auto like you are, the autoflowering (ruderelis) gene should already be dominant, and show up in the F1.

Thanks for the posts just what I was searching for! +rep

So just to clarify, when you do the AF cross Non AF, you get the F1 gen with no AF's. So then you select the F1's and breed them together? OR do you use the F1 to breed it with the original AF?

Sorry if this is a stupid question...

 

[dern420kid]

^^
im wondering the exact same thing

 

[MEANGREEN69]

Thanks for the posts just what I was searching for! +rep

So just to clarify, when you do the AF cross Non AF, you get the F1 gen with no AF's. So then you select the F1's and breed them together? OR do you use the F1 to breed it with the original AF?

Sorry if this is a stupid question...

there is no stupid questions...you have to breed the F1's together. the siblings (F2's) should have about 25% auto flowering gene.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Easy Ryder male was crossed with a Chocolope female. The Chocolope is not a ruderalis however, ALL of the new hybrids are Auto...Can anyone explain this?

Autolope is FANTASTIC btw, with a tottal D-line look, smell, and punch!

 

[MEANGREEN69]

Easy Ryder male was crossed with a Chocolope female. The Chocolope is not a ruderalis however, ALL of the new hybrids are Auto...Can anyone explain this?

Autolope is FANTASTIC btw, with a tottal D-line look, smell, and punch!

yeah that is oddare they F1's?..ive always seen/heard and read that the auto gene was recessive. got any pics? whould like to know more about them: hight and rate of growth?

 

[keith2020]

how many seeds do you get from a single autoflowering plant? 50? Hundreds?

 

[bf80255]

i think what they mean is that was the initial cross (chocolope x easy ryder) then it waa worked to whatever generation they released it at.
depends on the size of the plant how many pistils it has and how mich pollen is successfully applied to said pistils.

 

[bf80255]

if you plan on inbreeding i would suggest choosing at least 3 or 4 of your favorite females and best male fora more diverse gene pool you dont want to create bottle necks that can lead to issues like genetic drift or inbreeding depression.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Yes, you can breed a male and female of your Speedy Ganja together to create seeds.
Since they are the same strain what you would be doing is "inbreeding" a brother and sister together.
For human reproduction that's not too good, but for cannabis it's great.
The seeds that you produce will be known as an IBL or Inbreed Line.
Depending on what plants you choose to breed together, your resulting seeds could be more stable then their parents.

I'm doing the same thing with some Diesel Ryders, inbreeding them to create seeds.
So far I've collected over 70 seeds from 2 plants, and both still have plenty more to give.
I selected the strongest growing, fastest flowering, fruitiest smelling, and most resinous Diesel Ryders to breed together.
If my seeds do well and produce strong new Diesel Ryders, I will repeat this inbreeding process over the next year.
In that amount of time I believe I can isolate and make dominant that fruity smell I mentioned earlier.
My goal is to produce a Diesel Ryder IBL of seeds that retains all the potency of this strain while replacing the diesel fuel smell with a fruity one.
Good luck.

For it to be a stable strain/IBL he'd need to cross siblings for ~7 generations. But yea, it's fine man.

 

[ChiefBudz]

If you use Female Auto Flower pollen and use it in a Regular female you should get Auto Flowering strain I'm I correct?

 

[Indica_420]

For some reason U need NAKE auto pollen and a reg female will make offspring auto but not female auto and reg make pollen don't .... It's fucked at least in my experience so far.....

 

[dl290485]

I'm going to resurrect this thread.

I posted a question in the Autoflowering forum but no answers there and now found this section and thread.

I'll quote it below but since some of the question is already answered, I'll make some other follow up questions instead:

• What's the chance IBL seeds from two auto's of the same strain will not be auto?
• Should I back cross to the original seed stock? Will it help. I mean grow seed gen 1, then cross gen 1 with stock 0, to get a gen 2 and then cross gen 2 back to stock 0 again to make gen 3? Good? Bad?
• How long can I keep it going? Can I keep harvesting my own seed indefinitely, or will the wheels fall off after gen 10 or what ever?

If you feel like reading and being real helpful, check out the quote from my original questions below for more perspective about my concerns and why I want to do it in the first place.

The question: Is it feasible to intentionally seed auto-flowering strains to use as my consecutive planting stock?

Follow-up question: Are there any particular brands/strains that may be more stable/suitable to do this with?

Basically I want to purchase seeds once and then practically never ever again. It's bad enough having to bring attention to myself once, let alone over and over again. Don't even say 'stock up', because that will make it worse, making me look like I want to start the biggest farm in the country or something if it does get intercepted.

I have no room for indoor and outdoor will be interfered with by porch and other lights. That's why I'm going with Auto. It has to be something that will flower no matter what lights are on or off at random times. As already mentioned though, I don't want to keep buying seeds. As far as I know, it's not feasible to take cuttings from an Auto. So my current idea in mind is to buy maybe 30 seeds to stock up, then intentionally let some plants go to seed along the way. I'll keep the males and females somewhat separated, so maybe can then intentionally fertilse only some of the females and keep the strains breeding separately.

However my concern is if this second generation of seed (the seed I buy being the first, of course) reverts back to it's grandparent lineage. For some strains, this could possibly mean ending up with a bunch of seed which is only sparingly Auto? Or maybe it could end up being Auto, but being too heavily Ruderalis and as such being just hemp?

One idea I had in mind to help keep things on track, is to back cross a few times back to the original seed stocks. Like breed the 2nd gen, then take a good female from that gen and cross it back to gen 1 (the seed I'm buying). Then take that 3rd gen and again breed it back to gen 1. Maybe by that stage it will be several generations deep in auto-flowering, but will also have the other traits (such as it's potency, etc) injected back in along the way, so hence forth can be used to make a gen 4 (when needed) our of gen 3 + gen 3 (as I will be out of bought stock by then).

So does anyone have any insight for me with this situation? General impressions of this will work out and etc. Also maybe some people know some strains which are already a few generations of Auto deep or otherwise solid on the trait. For example I saw one Skunk auto which said only 50% of the seeds are auto! That's the opposite of what I want, and is actually a good example of how I don't want the randomness and uncertainty of breeding to make it all go wrong.

 

[bf80255]

I'm going to resurrect this thread.

I posted a question in the Autoflowering forum but no answers there and now found this section and thread.

I'll quote it below but since some of the question is already answered, I'll make some other follow up questions instead:

• What's the chance IBL seeds from two auto's of the same strain will not be auto?
• Should I back cross to the original seed stock? Will it help. I mean grow seed gen 1, then cross gen 1 with stock 0, to get a gen 2 and then cross gen 2 back to stock 0 again to make gen 3? Good? Bad?
• How long can I keep it going? Can I keep harvesting my own seed indefinitely, or will the wheels fall off after gen 10 or what ever?

If you feel like reading and being real helpful, check out the quote from my original questions below for more perspective about my concerns and why I want to do it in the first place.

how many IBL auto strains do you know of? I know of like 3...

1.) almost zero chance
2.) No, if your goal is to never buy seeds again its best to just inbreed using full sib crosses. If you had another strain to cross to that would come in handy if at any point you run into inbreeding depression or take a misstep in your selections. (just a helpful tip)
3.) If you were able to maintain large enough population sizes and selected properly you could hypothetically inbreed for decades with no ill effect. thats basically what a landrace strain is.

as long as you choose a well bred strain with a few gens of inbreeding I wouldnt worry too much about the second gen genes segregating and plants being more grandparent like.

dont worry about backcrossing just go forward is the advice I would recommend.

Pinkie Pie is the strain I bred, im currently working on the F8 generation and will be a fully homozygous strain very shortly, the other heavily inbred strains im farmiliar with are Spyder, Stone Dragon and.... theres one more but I cant think of it ATM hope that helps lol.

oh and if you want more help hitup @HighLowGrow hes already done exactly what your planningto, hasnt bought seeds in forever and always has dank buds, hes on his 4th generation inbred