600 watt, Growbrite OG hood, Chocolote Mint OG clone, 60 day Lemon grow.

[Cx2H]

Damn, do you water your plugs/cubes at all or are you talking about misting?

I take a pipette and keep it moist until first root pops out then into finish size pot, no transplanting over here. Mist hem right at start. Nutes load i add in cube is enough to get them through with minimal fading. Like cubes better than the touchy cloner. Get it dialed in and it's great. Out of spec and everything dies..

 

[whitebb2727]

I just take cuttings, soak in rooting solution over night and then in to soil they go. Hell you can just toss them in a cup of water and 50% will make it.

 

[Cheywahey]

I take a pipette and keep it moist until first root pops out then into finish size pot, no transplanting over here. Mist hem right at start. Nutes load i add in cube is enough to get them through with minimal fading. Like cubes better than the touchy cloner. Get it dialed in and it's great. Out of spec and everything dies..

Nice nice, appreciate the info. Tomorrow I'm gonna recheck the plugs and take a little dropper of Ph'd nute water to them if they're feeling a little light, was most concerned with the overwatering but those drying up/wilting cuttings are making me nervous, just popping the lid off the tray it smells like dying plant but I really don't wanna mess with them too much and possibly overdue it

 

[Cx2H]

I just take cuttings, soak in rooting solution over night and then I to soil they go. Hell you can just toss them in a cup of water and 50% will make it.

Granny cloning.

 

[Cx2H]

Nice nice, appreciate the info. Tomorrow I'm gonna recheck the plugs and take a little dropper of Ph'd nute water to them if they're feeling a little light, was most concerned with the overwatering but those drying up/wilting cuttings are making me nervous, just popping the lid off the tray it smells like dying plant but I really don't wanna mess with them too much and possibly overdue it

Sounds like root rot to me. Hope not.

 

[Cheywahey]

Sounds like root rot to me. Hope not.

I don't even think there's any roots TO rot lol, I honestly think it's the foliage on some of them that are really starting to get old and wilted, furthering my concerns that batch #1 didn't work out so well

 

[nfhiggs]

That's contradictory to literally everything I've ever read regarding cloning with rockwool, rockwools biggest problem as a cloning medium/medium in general is it's ability to hold moisture "too well", everything I've ever read regarding cloning with rockwool has warned to A.) Never have it sitting in standing water, B.) Shake out all of the excess water after the initial soak, C.) (Optionally, depending on which site you're reading on) Don't mist the rockwool, mist the dome, the rockwool will stay too moist and D.) Keep the rockwool elevated above the bottom of the dome to reduce the amount of moisture buildup on the cube/plug. If I really believed it to be a hydration issue with the rockwool I'd spray the cubes, and I've only had to do that once for 2 different cuts so far. As for the pruning method of removing all but 2 leaves and the growth tip, will definitely try that on my next attempt, appreciate the help

What they say about rockwool is ABSOLUTELY true - for seedlings. But for clones with no roots, you WANT the water. Hell, cloning is often done by putting the cutting literally IN a container of water - It doesn't get any wetter than that.

I'll get a pic of the cutting I have in the tray right now and post it later tonight.

 

[Cheywahey]

What they say about rockwool is ABSOLUTELY true - for seedlings. But for clones with no roots, you WANT the water. Hell, cloning is often done by putting the cutting literally IN a container of water - It doesn't get any wetter than that.

I'll get a pic of the cutting I have in the tray right now and post it later tonight.

Do not let cubes get too wet before roots appear. If you do they won't make roots. They don't drink much until they do get roots. So, you should only have to apply water on like the fifth or sixth day. But not too much! Use the weight of the cubes to determine whether or not they need water.

THCfarmer


The cube should NOT sit in water. As long as humidity is high, you can spray with the 6.5 pH solution twice a day for the first 2 days, then once a day until it roots. But the humidity must be high; you should see condensation inside on the tray walls and maybe the leaves. I also spray the walls of the tray to keep it humid. Spray only the leaves not the cubes.

420 mag

One of the biggest problems with rockwool cubes is that they can hold a LOT of water. If cubes are too wet, rooting will be slow or stem rot may set in. Think damp, never wet or saturated. A dry 40mm cube weighs 5g. A properly "damp" cube weighs 25-30g. Heavier than that is too wet. Remove water from overwet cubes by shaking excess out into a bucket with a snap of the wrist. A salad spinner is great for draining cubes after pre-soaking, without giving yourself 'tennis elbow.' Rockwool cubes must never be squeezed- removes airspaces.

Rollitup

I tried providing the links to all of them but as I've not had an account created for more than a day, it won't let me. I know about the cup of water thing, I used that as an example to really refute the need to shell out a couple hundred on an aero cloner, however you're honestly the first person I've seen throughout my entire studying of cloning with rockwool, to tell me that they should be overly saturated rather than just damp and humid

 

[nfhiggs]

I don't even think there's any roots TO rot lol, I honestly think it's the foliage on some of them that are really starting to get old and wilted, furthering my concerns that batch #1 didn't work out so well

Yeah, there's no roots to rot...

How about this - with the ones you just pulled, push the stems ALL the way through the rockwool until the tip (where it's cut), is IN the water in the tray, but the plug themselves are no in the water. That should slow the water loss in the cuttings enough that they don't wilt, and give them time for the new roots to form.

 

[Cheywahey]

Yeah, there's no roots to rot...

How about this - with the ones you just pulled, push the stems ALL the way through the rockwool until the tip (where it's cut), is IN the water in the tray, but the plug themselves are no in the water. That should slow the water loss in the cuttings enough that they don't wilt, and give them time for the new roots to form.

There is no standing water in the tray, and I haven't pulled any out yet. The tray is just sitting above the bottom of the tray with the dome, and under that tray is the heat mat, plugs are all relatively moist and I haven't pulled any yet, as I'm just gonna wait and give them atleast a week's total time (they're on day 4 now) before I consider scrapping them, they're getting to the brown /crispy stage with some leaves on some of them anyway

 

[nfhiggs]

Do not let cubes get too wet before roots appear. If you do they won't make roots. They don't drink much until they do get roots. So, you should only have to apply water on like the fifth or sixth day. But not too much! Use the weight of the cubes to determine whether or not they need water.

THCfarmer


The cube should NOT sit in water. As long as humidity is high, you can spray with the 6.5 pH solution twice a day for the first 2 days, then once a day until it roots. But the humidity must be high; you should see condensation inside on the tray walls and maybe the leaves. I also spray the walls of the tray to keep it humid. Spray only the leaves not the cubes.

420 mag

One of the biggest problems with rockwool cubes is that they can hold a LOT of water. If cubes are too wet, rooting will be slow or stem rot may set in. Think damp, never wet or saturated. A dry 40mm cube weighs 5g. A properly "damp" cube weighs 25-30g. Heavier than that is too wet. Remove water from overwet cubes by shaking excess out into a bucket with a snap of the wrist. A salad spinner is great for draining cubes after pre-soaking, without giving yourself 'tennis elbow.' Rockwool cubes must never be squeezed- removes airspaces.

Rollitup

I tried providing the links to all of them but as I've not had an account created for more than a day, it won't let me. I know about the cup of water thing, I used that as an example to really refute the need to shell out a couple hundred on an aero cloner, however you're honestly the first person I've seen throughout my entire studying of cloning with rockwool, to tell me that they should be overly saturated rather than just damp and humid

All I can say is that it's just contrary to what I am doing that is *working 100%* so far (7 out of 7 rooted), though admittedly, I'm not using rockwool, but Jiffy (peat) cubes - but the concept is similar as peat is also very hydrophilic like the rockwool, and I always hear "squeeze the excess water from the jiffy cube" (which I don't do). Its also contrary to the fact that many people successfully root them in straight up water, no medium at all.

I'm getting to a point where whenever I see sites saying "this is the best method" with regards to growing, I take it with a grain of salt. There is just so much info being passed around as gospel that just isn't really true when you examine it a little deeper.

The second or third one I pulled went over limp the next day - I looked at it, and noticed that, 1 - the stem was not pushed very far down into the cube, and 2 - the cube was just damp, not saturated. I added more water to my tray, and pushed the stem farther in, and put a little water right on top of the cube. Then I put it back under the dome. Within a few hours it was looking normal. OTOH, my brother, when he was growing a couple years back, never could get a clone to take. I don't know the specifics of the method he used, but he said he followed all the guides exactly, cutting with the razor, putting them in the rooting gel and all that.

Anyway, here are some pics of my setup:



This is the plant I took the latest clone from. I mainly just wanted to reduce it height and slow it down as it was getting to tall. This is a Jack Herer.

I actually left more foliage on this on than I usually do, and it actually did wilt more than usual the first day, but stiffened up after about 36 hours. I believe it was Wednesday evening I took this one. You can see there is water in the holes of the seedling tray.

And here is the tray with the dome in place.

 

[nfhiggs]

There is no standing water in the tray, and I haven't pulled any out yet. The tray is just sitting above the bottom of the tray with the dome, and under that tray is the heat mat, plugs are all relatively moist and I haven't pulled any yet, as I'm just gonna wait and give them at least a week's total time (they're on day 4 now) before I consider scrapping them, they're getting to the brown /crispy stage with some leaves on some of them anyway

Yeah, the four day old ones are goners. I'm referring to the ones in blue circles.

I think you should have water in the tray, even if its not enough for the plugs to wick any of it up - it will greatly increase the humidity under the dome and slow down the water loss in the cuttings.

 

[AimAim]

Just a story.

Bought an aerocloner: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NRQJC0/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tried cuts from 3 diff plants 0% success. Set it aside as something I could not do. Actually think they were strains ones that did not want to clone.

Was later doing LST on some Lemon Haze and snapped a branch accidently. Just stuck it in the soil under the big plant. 3 days later it looked great so I carefully lifted it out and stuck it in a party cup where it took off.

An accidental cloning I guess. Sinse then I just mix up about 50/50 mix of peat and pearlite and stick cuttings in, and get about 80% success.

Anybody want to buy an aerocloner?

 

[cannabisweedPotNerd]

Get a humidity dome spray on clones leafs

 

[nfhiggs]

Just a story.

Bought an aerocloner: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NRQJC0/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tried cuts from 3 diff plants 0% success. Set it aside as something I could not do. Actually think they were strains ones that did not want to clone.

Was later doing LST on some Lemon Haze and snapped a branch accidently. Just stuck it in the soil under the big plant. 3 days later it looked great so I carefully lifted it out and stuck it in a party cup where it took off.

An accidental cloning I guess. Sinse then I just mix up about 50/50 mix of peat and pearlite and stick cuttings in, and get about 80% success.

Anybody want to buy an aerocloner?

Exactly - I think that so much that's written about cloning is just utter BS designed more to sell products than anything else.

 

[AimAim]

Exactly - I think that so much that's written about cloning is just utter BS designed more to sell products than anything else.

Not sure about anything regarding cloning. But been an active gardener for decades, I'll be 60 this year, hopefully !

For sure some strains clone better than others. And for sure I could not get the aero route to work for me. But for sure sticking a cut tip into simple rooting medium does work. Just my experience.

Peace - AIM

 

[Cheywahey]

All I can say is that it's just contrary to what I am doing that is *working 100%* so far (7 out of 7 rooted), though admittedly, I'm not using rockwool, but Jiffy (peat) cubes - but the concept is similar as peat is also very hydrophilic like the rockwool, and I always hear "squeeze the excess water from the jiffy cube" (which I don't do). Its also contrary to the fact that many people successfully root them in straight up water, no medium at all.

I'm getting to a point where whenever I see sites saying "this is the best method" with regards to growing, I take it with a grain of salt. There is just so much info being passed around as gospel that just isn't really true when you examine it a little deeper.

The second or third one I pulled went over limp the next day - I looked at it, and noticed that, 1 - the stem was not pushed very far down into the cube, and 2 - the cube was just damp, not saturated. I added more water to my tray, and pushed the stem farther in, and put a little water right on top of the cube. Then I put it back under the dome. Within a few hours it was looking normal. OTOH, my brother, when he was growing a couple years back, never could get a clone to take. I don't know the specifics of the method he used, but he said he followed all the guides exactly, cutting with the razor, putting them in the rooting gel and all that.

Anyway, here are some pics of my setup:

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This is the plant I took the latest clone from. I mainly just wanted to reduce it height and slow it down as it was getting to tall. This is a Jack Herer.
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I actually left more foliage on this on than I usually do, and it actually did wilt more than usual the first day, but stiffened up after about 36 hours. I believe it was Wednesday evening I took this one. You can see there is water in the holes of the seedling tray.View attachment 3893616

And here is the tray with the dome in place.

Thank you very much for that, I really appreciate all of the advice. Tomorrow I'm cutting another 5 clones (so the gap between clones will only be just 24 hours now) and am gonna add some standing water to the bottom of the tray, though I was worried about the heat mat really being useless at that point, if there was too much water to heat through. Most of the clones were just straight up 45° angled cuts right to stem without a node under the rockwool (which I'm now aware isn't the best move), so with the next 5 tomorrow I'm gonna cut em, cut em at the 45° angle under water, scrape em underwater, wishbone em and cover the cut/bottom most node in gel and throw em in the plugs, if this doesn't work, I'm literally out of ideas

 

[nfhiggs]

Thank you very much for that, I really appreciate all of the advice. Tomorrow I'm cutting another 5 clones (so the gap between clones will only be just 24 hours now) and am gonna add some standing water to the bottom of the tray, though I was worried about the heat mat really being useless at that point, if there was too much water to heat through. Most of the clones were just straight up 45° angled cuts right to stem without a node under the rockwool (which I'm now aware isn't the best move), so with the next 5 tomorrow I'm gonna cut em, cut em at the 45° angle under water, scrape em underwater, wishbone em and cover the cut/bottom most node in gel and throw em in the plugs, if this doesn't work, I'm literally out of ideas

You'll get it, man, I think having some water in the tray alone will make a huge difference. Keep the heat pad under it - warmer water will evap faster and keep that humidity up. Just keep varying your process one change at a time until you start getting successes.

 

[Cheywahey]

You'll get it, man, I think having some water in the tray alone will make a huge difference. Keep the heat pad under it - warmer water will evap faster and keep that humidity up. Just keep varying your process one change at a time until you start getting successes.

Very much appreciated

 

[Cheywahey]

You'll get it, man, I think having some water in the tray alone will make a huge difference. Keep the heat pad under it - warmer water will evap faster and keep that humidity up. Just keep varying your process one change at a time until you start getting successes.

Crédit where credit is due, putting a little standing water in the bottom of the tray and waking up this morning, the dome was visibly more humid than its ever been (when waking up in the morning), so thank you for that. Batch #3 of clones were just cut, all were cut and scraped under water and they all have atleast one node that was scraped and covered in gel, placed in the plugs. So master splinter, what should I do with these fan leaves? Cut em off or leave them? Poor mother plants getting f'ed up every other day, I'd really like this to be the last batch I cut lol