Increasing the THC and CBD levels with Mn and Ir - REALLY?

MichiganMedGrower

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First off, meant to say USDA. :roll:

Your correct. Use of extra K does add yield, if done right. I like to add a cpl of points in bloom after the 2nd week. Minor P increase and reduce some later. Use of more K late can influence color expression in plants that are able. Higher K in veg? Haven't found that to be exactly productive down the road.....Years ago when I was experimenting with finding my "best's" with differing synthetic ratio's. Found the line between good and overdose to be very fine, as once you go over. the plants stunt's and a clear sign is color expression in veg. Once you get that, too late!

As for MJ and reducing quality....Just started some experimenting with specific synthetic lines again. Friends and others in our little Co-op have done some eyeopening work with them. Thought I might give synthetic a shot again....May have to do some at what I liked to supplement to and not From the past synthetic use. Test the difference and see...

For the most part, build my soils (organic water only's) to recipes that came from years of building them. Your quoted amounts/methods (for Mn and Fe) and the testing has me rather interested in actually testing my different bloom formulas out. I could learn a lot from actually doing that. Being satisfied with what has been achieved, never sits well if I think I might do better....

I farm but, it's organic and don't express any supplementation of K in any of the tea's or mineral applications done to the soil. Our soils tend to be a tic over in K from normal/surrounding farm lands anyway (in USDA tests). In the final year of certification on the "new" dairy farm to the co-op. We set that up for the organic manure for use in other locations due to the cost/water reductions and other benefits of some moving away (somewhat) from AACT's.

Never much of a flower grower per-say, More of a tropical interest. Learning the ins and outs of succulents from seed....Something new to me..... My wife has absconded with some of my used and not replenished MJ soils for use with some of her squash and tomato's as an up-pot this year. You could see the very early coloring and when they went out. Got that classic light tan edge necrosis that signals K tox, after she put them out into full sun.....She came in and asked what happened. Took one look and told her that was from the increase in transpiration and there for the increase in up-take of the available nutrient in the soil.

Looked at her and said, "Now you understand why I told you not to use that soil for veggies? That soil has higher med./slow release P&K then you needed.....? It's about all that's left in that soil after the Long running Sativa's that were in it.... As soon as you added your first feeding, you over did the K....

So, anyway. This and your information have me looking to do some tests on fresh, used and re-amended soils to see exactly where those are.....I'll be better able to re-amend that way.....

All these years and I didn't think to try that......You've taught an old dog a trick he didn't consider. Even for a farmer...

Damn local USDA branch closed too.....I'll have to send to labs.....Might try friends at my college too....

GREAT INPUT!
How does Potassium affect color?
 

churchhaze

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That's why I asked about the organic iron in the first place. Your just a very angry, unhappy person aren't you lol.
Yes, you did ask about organic iron, and that's when I posted some examples. Go up and like the post answering your question, ass. It's not me acting unhappy. It's you acting like a jerk.

Could you explain what organic iron is.
We were talking about well water but sure ok thankyou. lol.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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Higher K levels help express natural coloring abilities in plants. It sure works in ours too....
Here is pretty much the information I have found.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/nutrient-management/potassium/potassium-for-crop-production/

The only color effect is halfway down the article. There is a pic of a potato plant with purpling edges. It is deficient of K.

Colors are expressing in my garden from fuller spectrum lighting and maybe uv and definitely temp but potassium in the luxery zone promotes photosynthesis and enzyme production. Wouldn't that promote green?
 

Dr. Who

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Read about the effect years ago.
I have experienced it first hand and in many strains. Time and time again, for years.....Notes of the early attempts/results are from the late 80's...

In temp use to express - it hastens and increases the cool temp effect. That's from personal experience and in my old notes. I've seen it work outdoors too!

Book learn'in ain't everything MMG.

PS In veg, if it happens, it still makes the plant express more in bloom. Still, it's stunting of the plant negates that whole thing. This came about by an oversight in a soil build once.......I spread it out in the veggie garden to get rid of it. Got colorful Brussel sprouts that year! Kale expressed some and the tomato's stems were purple to a point - early on. Did feel the overall yield of the Brussels was less though!
 
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Chunky Stool

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Read about the effect years ago.
I have experienced it first hand and in many strains. Time and time again, for years.....Notes of the early attempts/results are from the late 80's...

In temp use to express - it hastens and increases the cool temp effect. That's from personal experience and in my old notes. I've seen it work outdoors too!

Book learn'in ain't everything MMG.

PS In veg, if it happens, it still makes the plant express more in bloom. Still, it's stunting of the plant negates that whole thing. This came about by an oversight in a soil build once.......I spread it out in the veggie garden to get rid of it. Got colorful Brussel sprouts that year! Kale expressed some and the tomato's stems were purple to a point - early on. Did feel the overall yield of the Brussels was less though!
I'm using extra K on a purple strain that is vegging outdoors. No color expression yet.
Organic soil w/regular doses of nutrient tea. I've been alternating between two recipes: (5 gal bucket)
High Octane
1/2 cup humic acid concentrate
1/2 cup Peruvian seabird guano (12-11-2)
2 tbsp Maxi Crop seaweed powder (0-0-17)

Mean Green
1/2 cup humic acid concentrate
1/3 cup alfalfa meal (2.5-0.5-2.5)
1/3 cup kelp meal (1-0-2)
1/4 cup bat guano (0-7-0)
2 tbsp epsom
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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Read about the effect years ago.
I have experienced it first hand and in many strains. Time and time again, for years.....Notes of the early attempts/results are from the late 80's...

In temp use to express - it hastens and increases the cool temp effect. That's from personal experience and in my old notes. I've seen it work outdoors too!

Book learn'in ain't everything MMG.

PS In veg, if it happens, it still makes the plant express more in bloom. Still, it's stunting of the plant negates that whole thing. This came about by an oversight in a soil build once.......I spread it out in the veggie garden to get rid of it. Got colorful Brussel sprouts that year! Kale expressed some and the tomato's stems were purple to a point - early on. Did feel the overall yield of the Brussels was less though!
I get way more color with balanced nutes. Too much K yellows plants. You say this all the time. And I know it to be true.

I never said book learning was everything. I said I want to know why.

Unless you have found out why. You are just speculating no matter how many times you think you see the results of what you did.

There are no known processes that support your theory.

And doesn't it figure the "sulfer feeds trichs" guy liked the comment where you get to say what you think is true even when completely unfounded. And regardless of your time spent its un proven.

And the persons feelings about their investment in time has more to do with their arguments then science.

All I have ever said is I want to know the mode of action. It's only growers that don't know saying things back like "book learnin' ain't everything"

You have to find the mode of action is if you want to say it's true.

Plants need the balance they need of all of the elements to thrive. That is why they take many tissue samples and just formulate the proper fertilizer for them.

These tissue samples appear in a few famous cannabis books and soon the info will be common knowledge.

Dyna Grow is doing this on multiple strains. I assume jacks did for their new products.

They will know for sure all the true facts about all this forum and hobbiests speculation soon enough with all the companies and government testing with cannabis out in the open.

And then we will really have cannabis specific nutes and know for sure what they like.

And and your comment about if it happens in veg proves that you were flowering deficient in K a bit.

Veg is everything to proper results. The plant will always translocate its nutrients to build new tissue and the more stored in veg properly the better.

You guys keep pretending to discredit my questions so you can stick to your own answers whether they are true or not.

I start every time by asking questions. I have not even made any claims. Just barely ever get a real answer unless I research elsewhere.
 

Budley Doright

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It's not about whether you like my post or not. It's just your attitude in general... You asked a question, and then acted like a dick when you got an answer. When you ask a question and someone answers correctly, the proper thing to do is to thank them.

You're welcome.
Look we were talking about well water and given that you seem like an intelligent person you would know that your answer had nothing to do with well water and then yup, as usual you revert to your angry self and start calling me stupid, that's ok, I understand, your a lonely old, angry man, sorry for that.
 

Budley Doright

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I exposed his cult leader as a con artist and now he's mad at me, obviously.
Cult leader ..... who would that be? RM I presume.......well you may want to review my posts re @RM3, we hardly agree on anything really but I don't get all angry about it, for each his own is my motto. Have you recently had a stroke? They sometimes make people angry and confused.
 

churchhaze

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Look we were talking about well water and given that you seem like an intelligent person you would know that your answer had nothing to do with well water and then yup, as usual you revert to your angry self and start calling me stupid, that's ok, I understand, your a lonely old, angry man, sorry for that.
Could you explain what organic iron is
Organic iron is iron found in an organic molecule like hemoglobin or ferredoxins.. Question answered. You then put 1+1 together and realized that your well water isn't bloody and determined that unless there is organic matter in your well, all the iron it provides is inorganic.
 
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