Almost 1/3 of all homicides in my county 2010-16 were police killings

jonsnow399

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Sounds like you have patriotic holy wood fever, America is not the greatest country on earth mate. Churchill was a cunt, sterling was a cunt, Hitler was a cunt, most American presidents were cunts. As they are clearly well versed to do so, I'd trust the words of a cunt calling out another cunt any day.
WTF? Never said America is the greatest country But to quote Martin Luther King "America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world".
 

Flowki

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TL;DR

Ted Kaczynski is proud of you.
You don't read my post and then align me to a person like that, with every post you make, Ignorance is showing to be your biggest attribute. Saying American gun culture is a bad thing = the grounds for anarchy?. Obviously that backs you into a corner now.. please don't shoot.
 

Flowki

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WTF? Never said America is the greatest country But to quote Martin Luther King "America is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world".
Then or at this point in time that may be true, but it won't stay that way, never has never will. Since the beginning of war one group has initiated violence against others and/or itself. You could have 9 peaceful pacifist nations and only 1 aggressive nation. Soon you will have only 1 nation under those circumstances. Proof of this is by the ridiculous amount of tribes and even human species that have been wiped out. Violence is in our dna, taking over shit is in our dna. It is not going to go away this is a fact you need to come to terms with. The only real solution is to limit the aggressors so that 8 peaceful nations can exist along side a aggressive nation. Nation 9 (ideally one or two others to keep 9 in check) has to be capable of being just as aggressive as nation 10 in order to keep 10 in check. I am not saying America is nation 9 but look at the situation in north Korea right now. How glad are you America is in a position to limit that nut case.

Your choice of quote is psychologically interesting. Nations can not survive abiding by the principles of Martin Luther king, it's seriously fantasy land. For as long as we have free will it is a certainty some will choose bad, that is what defines free will. On a domestic scale, one nut job in a super market with a semi automatic?. The answer is not to give everybody a semi automatic to defend themselves, it is to remove the availability of that automatic while also having trained groups to deal with aggression, In this domestic case the police is number 9. It also would not hurt that all people have basic physical self defense skills. Shit is always going to go down be it bombs, guns, knives or fists. Rather it be fists.
 

ttystikk

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@StonerCol your suggestions are brilliant!

The outlandish sums of money in politics simply aren't necessary.

As an example, much of that money goes to television ad campaigns. The People own the airwaves; simply pass legislation to require TV stations to set aside a certain amount of time each political season for advertising, gratis. Now the various campaigns only have to produce the ads, a drastically less expensive activity.

Major television networks will hate it because they've gotten used to the revenue but what have they used it for? Better programming? HA! Just looking their own shareholder's pockets, more like. Remove the monetary incentive and suddenly we get objectivity back. Win-win!
 

ttystikk

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You don't read my post and then align me to a person like that, with every post you make, Ignorance is showing to be your biggest attribute. Saying American gun culture is a bad thing = the grounds for anarchy?. Obviously that backs you into a corner now.. please don't shoot.
Only because you're a reactionary and you like writing long, meandering screeds.
 

Justin-case

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@StonerCol your suggestions are brilliant!

The outlandish sums of money in politics simply aren't necessary.

As an example, much of that money goes to television ad campaigns. The People own the airwaves; simply pass legislation to require TV stations to set aside a certain amount of time each political season for advertising, gratis. Now the various campaigns only have to produce the ads, a drastically less expensive activity.

Major television networks will hate it because they've gotten used to the revenue but what have they used it for? Better programming? HA! Just looking their own shareholder's pockets, more like. Remove the monetary incentive and suddenly we get objectivity back. Win-win!

I'm sure there are ways, and I agree the amount of money invovled could go to better things. But, how do you keep every Dick, Joe, Bob and Sue from running?
 

StonerCol

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I'm sure there are ways, and I agree the amount of money invovled could go to better things. But, how do you keep every Dick, Joe, Bob and Sue from running?
What happens in the UK is that each individual or Party pays an amount as a deposit - currently £500 - and they need to get 5% of votes in order to get that deposit returned. It isn't a perfect system because it penalises the smaller Parties but it does tend to stop the drunk idiot from the pub standing for election.
Saying that we have a "Party" called "The Monster Raving Loony Party" who always lose their deposit but they get a few giggles....
 

jonsnow399

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Hitler started what eventually became Volkswagen. Does that mean everyone who drives one is a Nazi?

Give us a break with the false equivalencies.
Churchhill was a scumbag because he was a scumbag. How bout that? The quote he made was the height of hypocrisy. and stop with the false equivalency crap. I asked you why you would want to quote a hypocritical statement from Churchill. Where did I say that YOU were a racist or equivalent to him in any way, shape or form.
Whoopie! Irma is gonna miss us entirely!
 
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Fogdog

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Would you look to Stalin or Hitler for words of wisdom?
Stalin said some things worth quoting and thinking about.
"The only real power comes out of a long rifle."

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

You can quote somebody without agreeing with their ideology.

Hitler was awful but he was honest. One can get a sense of the fascist ideology by reading his words.

why the bitterness?
 

Flowki

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Only because you're a reactionary and you like writing long, meandering screeds.
By that comment you seem manipulated by the current political puppet string of delusional anti establishment far left hippie love. Anything not as left as you must surely be sexist, racist, capitalist right wing extremists to be ignored and ridiculed, wheres the love?. I don't conform to one political group or position and I would not agree/hold more respect for somebody just because they ''support the same side''. Shame more people don't have the ability to agree or disagree with a single notion entirely on how it helps people, rather than being swayed by the current ''team spirit'' manipulations that are only set out to divide us into voting power blocks. Black lives matter, feminist movement yada yada, all way over hyped or fabricated bull shit by main stream media to galvanize fear and blind anger for a witch hunt.

Removing guns from the hands of people who think it is a ''constitutional right'' to own one is the complete opposite of a reactionary comment. That mentality is flawed on so many levels. Namely, this is not the same world we lived in back then.. you don't need civilians owning guns. Just like we don't need white or any man owning slaves.
 

ttystikk

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By that comment you seem manipulated by the current political puppet string of delusional anti establishment far left hippie love. Anything not as left as you must surely be sexist, racist, capitalist right wing extremists to be ignored and ridiculed, wheres the love?. I don't conform to one political group or position and I would not agree/hold more respect for somebody just because they ''support the same side''. Shame more people don't have the ability to agree or disagree with a single notion entirely on how it helps people, rather than being swayed by the current ''team spirit'' manipulations that are only set out to divide us into voting power blocks. Black lives matter, feminist movement yada yada, all way over hyped or fabricated bull shit by main stream media to galvanize fear and blind anger for a witch hunt.

Removing guns from the hands of people who think it is a ''constitutional right'' to own one is the complete opposite of a reactionary comment. That mentality is flawed on so many levels. Namely, this is not the same world we lived in back then.. you don't need civilians owning guns. Just like we don't need white or any man owning slaves.
Do you cum in capital letters after masturbating at your keyboard like that?
 

jonsnow399

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By that comment you seem manipulated by the current political puppet string of delusional anti establishment far left hippie love. Anything not as left as you must surely be sexist, racist, capitalist right wing extremists to be ignored and ridiculed, wheres the love?. I don't conform to one political group or position and I would not agree/hold more respect for somebody just because they ''support the same side''. Shame more people don't have the ability to agree or disagree with a single notion entirely on how it helps people, rather than being swayed by the current ''team spirit'' manipulations that are only set out to divide us into voting power blocks. Black lives matter, feminist movement yada yada, all way over hyped or fabricated bull shit by main stream media to galvanize fear and blind anger for a witch hunt.

Removing guns from the hands of people who think it is a ''constitutional right'' to own one is the complete opposite of a reactionary comment. That mentality is flawed on so many levels. Namely, this is not the same world we lived in back then.. you don't need civilians owning guns. Just like we don't need white or any man owning slaves.
One of the reasons we think we have a constitutional right to own guns is because of the 2nd amendment and the Supreme court has upheld it. You want the U.S. govt (currently represented by Trump) to be the only one with guns?
 

ttystikk

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One of the reasons we think we have a constitutional right to own guns is because of the 2nd amendment and the Supreme court has upheld it. You want the U.S. govt (currently represented by Trump) to be the only one with guns?
The original intent of the Founding Fathers has been subverted by militarizing the police with weapons that the Federal government has prohibited private citizens from owning.

Besides, the place to deal with our government is via the public square, the use of free speech and the ballot box. An arms race only leads to disaster and collapse.
 

jonsnow399

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The original intent of the Founding Fathers has been subverted by militarizing the police with weapons that the Federal government has prohibited private citizens from owning.

Besides, the place to deal with our government is via the public square, the use of free speech and the ballot box. An arms race only leads to disaster and collapse.
except no one is in an arms race, free speech is being suppressed and the ballot box is a joke.
 

ttystikk

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except no one is in an arms race, free speech is being suppressed and the ballot box is a joke.
I don't see free speech bring suppressed, I see far too few people using it.

I certainly do see an arms race, and the police won! Or do you have an MRAP parked in your driveway, full of fully automatic weapons, stun grenades and suits of body armor? If so, we borrow it? Cuz nobody on my street has one...

The ballot box isn't a joke, but it's the end of the process of active full contact citizenship, not the beginning. See the lack of people above exercising their rights to free speech.

Have you considered the idea that they want you to believe the things you just said, so you don't show up to speak your piece and vote?
 

jonsnow399

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I don't see free speech bring suppressed, I see far too few people using it.

I certainly do see an arms race, and the police won! Or do you have an MRAP parked in your driveway, full of fully automatic weapons, stun grenades and suits of body armor? If so, we borrow it? Cuz nobody on my street has one...

The ballot box isn't a joke, but it's the end of the process of active full contact citizenship, not the beginning. See the lack of people above exercising their rights to free speech.

Have you considered the idea that they want you to believe the things you just said, so you don't show up to speak your piece and vote?
the public was never gonna win an arms race and don't need to, you ever hear of guerrilla fighters? The Viet cong had no Air force, navy or sophisticated weapons and kicked crap out of the usa. Are you serious about the ballot box not being a joke? With the Democratic party screwing Bernie? With Republican vote suppression? With the billion dollar elections? Get real.
 

ttystikk

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the public was never gonna win an arms race and don't need to, you ever hear of guerrilla fighters? The Viet cong had no Air force, navy or sophisticated weapons and kicked crap out of the usa. Are you serious about the ballot box not being a joke? With the Democratic party screwing Bernie? With Republican vote suppression? With the billion dollar elections? Get real.
Taking these in order;
A little Vietnam Conflict history reading will inform you that the Viet Cong got their asses handed to them and it was the NVA- armed with much heavier weaponry- who successfully outlasted first the French and Americans in a decades long war of attrition where they took by far the greater number of casualties. They didn't 'win', except by refusing to give up until political pressure from home (mounted by citizens) forced the American military to go away.

Moving on, the last election showed American voters just how corrupt the Democratic Party is in terms of a level playing field for all contestants and they're currently being punished with historically low funding levels and a strong challenge from the Left by a newly energised Progressive Movement. The jury is still out on how the big picture will play out.

Just as the American voting public saw the primary shenanigans on the part of the Democrats, they've also clearly seen the results of the Supreme Court's Citizens United and related decisions- and in fact this is one of the core issues that's driving the rise of the above mentioned Progressive Movement.

My advice to you is NOT to pick up a gun and go hunting officials but rather to find those political organizations that most closely align with your interests and get involved. The alternative of violence will get you locked up or killed- and deservedly so- and even worse, such action will play into the hands of your adversaries by giving them political cover for cracking down even harder on the Civil Rights of citizens.

I know, these things take time. There are no instant answers. But the system was consistently worked by monied interests over decades to get it the way it is. We the People have every right to work the same system to make it more responsive to our needs and rights. We just need to get involved, and STAY involved.

Such is the price of real freedom and the responsibility of citizenship.
 

jonsnow399

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Taking these in order;
A little Vietnam Conflict history reading will inform you that the Viet Cong got their asses handed to them and it was the NVA- armed with much heavier weaponry- who successfully outlasted first the French and Americans in a decades long war of attrition where they took by far the greater number of casualties. They didn't 'win', except by refusing to give up until political pressure from home (mounted by citizens) forced the American military to go away.

Moving on, the last election showed American voters just how corrupt the Democratic Party is in terms of a level playing field for all contestants and they're currently being punished with historically low funding levels and a strong challenge from the Left by a newly energised Progressive Movement. The jury is still out on how the big picture will play out.

Just as the American voting public saw the primary shenanigans on the part of the Democrats, they've also clearly seen the results of the Supreme Court's Citizens United and related decisions- and in fact this is one of the core issues that's driving the rise of the above mentioned Progressive Movement.

My advice to you is NOT to pick up a gun and go hunting officials but rather to find those political organizations that most closely align with your interests and get involved. The alternative of violence will get you locked up or killed- and deservedly so- and even worse, such action will play into the hands of your adversaries by giving them political cover for cracking down even harder on the Civil Rights of citizens.

I know, these things take time. There are no instant answers. But the system was consistently worked by monied interests over decades to get it the way it is. We the People have every right to work the same system to make it more responsive to our needs and rights. We just need to get involved, and STAY involved.

Such is the price of real freedom and the responsibility of citizenship.
First one, a win is a win and the war was NOT won by heavy ordnance if it was WE would have won.
second, you agree with me mostly.

Third, Duh, ok, I put the gun down, you talked me out of it.:wall:
 
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