chemphlegm
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Huh? I know this, and its exactly the way I feed my cannabis and vegetables.
The flush "myth"
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chemphlegm
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how the hell you know so many people here?
MichiganMedGrower
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The pics of all these top shelf buds really doesn't prove anything IMO View attachment 4007740 this was really not that good but looked really nice. Looks can be deceiving lol. Just saying.
Agreed. I would like to add that the best weed doesn't always have trichomes all over the leaves either.
MichiganMedGrower
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how the hell you know so many people here?
I only met D.C. and one other grower in person.
I was invited and wanted to see if the riddlers were real or full of shit. They talk like they are the best experts and know something we all don't and I was bored so I tried to find out.
I have become "pen pals" with a few defecting and active riddlers. I had a daily pretty busy journal there for a while.
My good friend in Colorado went to rm3's house and met him and received meds.
Other than that I probably have read everything they all posted. I have been without a regular day job for almost a decade now. And I have an A type personality so I read and study constantly to pass time when I am ill.
And for some weird reason ever since I got here last year members PM me all kinds of info about these people just hating them and wanting me to "do" something to them. Especially Ttystick. Lol.
And now Dr. Who too.
Guess because I argue with wanna be experts a lot they think I hate them.
I hope that helps to answer your question.
chemphlegm
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...I'll watch my ass
MichiganMedGrower
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...I'll watch my ass
Lol.
I wish I could share some of the hysterical messages I have gotten about rm3 and Ttystick.
But of course I would never share a private message like rm3 did with mine. That is a rat move. He started all of this crap between us to stop my opinion of him getting out.
Worked great huh. He forgot about RIU the website I met him on while being the king of his private domain where no one dare argue with the master. Lol.
Kingrow1
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Good growers end up in the non flush crowd, you do enough grows and you see that it is not needed......
xtsho
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Including the 105-115 ppm's of my tap water the ppm's are in the range of:
Veg 625-725 ppm's
Flower 800-875 ppm's
I never take things to those insane levels some people do and then post pictures of plants with nutrient burn in the Plant Problems section.
I grow in coco and use VitaGrow nutes which are just repackaged chemical salts. Calcium Nitrate "grow", a micro nutrient blend, and monopottasium phosphate "bloom". If you're not growing organic you might as well save yourself a bunch of money and just buy the same chemicals that are in all the expensive nutrients and mix it up yourself. Supplements are a waste of money if you feed you plant correctly for the growing style you use. The only thing I add is fulvic acid. And I'm questioning the benefit of that growing the way that I do.
CannaBruh
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mhmm good growers don't waste food at stages of growth where they realize it is not needed
Kingrow1
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If you want to flush then do so but it is not needed under proper management. Nutrients are dirt cheap, i can afford the few cents/pence/pesos that come with leaving some in the medium.
I'm not saying its bad or dosent flush, at best, some nutrients that are water soluble and not tied to the mediums cation exchange out but there is no need and hence most will omit this stage in favour of just making sure there is no overfertilization at any stage.
If you get round to germinating a seedling in a zero nutrient medium you will see that it struggles like hell to even grow and thats only if it manages to germinate in the first place. With that there will be no other stage that a plant can tolerate zero nutrients and flushing them all out is not good for growth regardless of stage.
I can go out on a limb here and easily state with confidence about flushing but i'm not disagreeing with those that flush. Futher to this i would say that flushing may fix overfertilization to some extent but it wont fix the damage to your plant or the crap taste you get, those that overfertilize and expect a two week flush to magically make their bud amazingly tasty are misguided.
Why do you want to flush so bad would be my question back, you dont have to if you dont want to...?
Dr.Nick Riviera
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I got into it with him a little, next thing you know, I can't get on the forums for almost a month, HMMMM!!!!!!!!
Kingrow1
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Yes, rockwool, perlite, straight water and more recently a zero nutrient peat. All struggled with zero salts to germinate at 0ppm. At 0.1ppm to 0.3ppm germination was 100%.
I find that without salts the seedling cannot create any osmotic pressure or the basic metalic ions for green growth such as chlorophyll, mitochondria and cell walls. Right from the start the plant is reliant on a salt gradient for almost every system it uses, straight 0ppm water wont cut it im afraid.
This is all easily testable/tryable and i would disput any who think a seedling can go two weeks on 0ppm as some do, when looking at their plants they dont look very good.
CannaBruh
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Weird, I have never ever ever had a problem sprouting seeds or running seedlings through the early stages in hydro on zero nutes (hell sometimes without ph adjustment) with no issue over many years. You can dispute all you want, maybe try tap water and you'll see that RO is too low a ppm without other supplements.
But that's not the point, you tried to insult someone backhandedly implying that by (oops) flushing you probably aren't a good grower, which outside of RIU is complete nonsense.
But that's not the point, you tried to insult someone backhandedly implying that by (oops) flushing you probably aren't a good grower, which outside of RIU is complete nonsense.
Kingrow1
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It wasnt an insult, it was an invitation to learn that you really dont have to flush.
TopShelf85
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Flush is a critical part of the process, you never want to smoke green plants. Put a nice flushed bud next to a dark green bud that hasn't been flushed and take a blast, you will see.
CannaBruh
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Thanks for the backhanded invitation... "good growers yada yada" nice one.
Having seen plenty of harvests ran to the end on any number of various ways, I'll stick to "flush" feel free to feed, I won't go out of my way to insult you for the way you prefer to do things, or passively imply your intelligence is in anyway inferior solely based on a certain method you prefer to use having not experienced any of your wares.
Kingrow1
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Not all nutrients are water soluble is one problem with le grande flushe leaving you flushing with a salt removing additive, another is that many have proved that it simply is not needed (yes they included pictures and smoke reports).
Im merely average, most here are and this is not an insult aimed at you either but merely trying to get on the same page. Most of these 'don't flush' guys were like you at one point and advocated flushing so its more a natural progression not somthing to take side on.
CannaBruh
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I don't know what salt removing additive you refer to, and many many many have proved over and again that flushing is every bit as valid a method to finish a crop though some deny this and claim it's a myth. Myth would be that nobody is able to do it with any success.
Dr.Nick Riviera
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how do you "flush" IMMOBILE nutrients?