Biden vs Trump

abandonconflict

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Did you look at the rest of his so-sponsor record? Ill do it again here incase:
If you look hard enough, you can even find good things Nixon accomplished. I commend your efforts to highlight a few things that he voted for that were decent but he really has been the democratic face of the drug war.

I will absolutely not vote for him in the primary. Likely will abstain if he makes it to the general because I don't really want him to be president.
 

abandonconflict

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Right. Because a guy who advocates for universal healthcare and has a decades long record of fighting for minority rights is 'creepy'.

Do you ever actually listen to yourself?
Really, Sanders is the only one in the field of contenders hoping to run against Trump that is even worse than Biden.

Polls tend to agree that Biden is far more popular than Sanders. Sanders sucks.
 

ttystikk

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There is alot more at stake. Vote Blue, solid blue. Get rid of blue if we don't like that person. Get rid of all the old timers, Mitch, especially and make Congress account for their time. Cut the money, end the lobbyists, take mystery donor money out and limit campaign time. Oh, take their frigging benefits and give them what we get.

Do you vote on your pay increases?

Mitch says he cannot live on his Congressional salary. He made 19 million from the NRA. HE NEEDS TO GO. SO DOES CRUZ AND RUBIO
Fine, but did you see where the DNC said it would blackball anyone working on campaigns that challenge sitting Democrats?

Or more recently where they would punish candidates who attended any debate on climate change not sanctioned by the DNC?

For having the word 'Democratic' in their name, the DNC seem to have trouble knowing what it means, let alone living up to it.

That's exactly the kind of shit that makes me as distrustful of the Democrats as I am of the Republicans.
 

abandonconflict

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The post of a true child. Throw that temper tantrum! Buy that defense stock- and wonder why you can't wash the blood off your hands.
No it's true. You nailed it when you said that people dislike Sanders primarily because of his toxic supporters like you but once they learn about him and his utter lack of meaningful accomplishments they tend to hate him. He's even worse than Biden.

At least Biden's supporters aren't the cause of Trump's election.
 

Unclebaldrick

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No it's true. You nailed it when you said that people dislike Sanders primarily because of his toxic supporters like you but once they learn about him and his utter lack of meaningful accomplishments they tend to hate him. He's even worse than Biden.

At least Biden's supporters aren't the cause of Trump's election.
That is true. Every single Ttystikk potentially gains Trump 1000+ votes the minute they call for a campaign to firebomb people's homes.
 

hanimmal

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I've never, ever liked Biden because I've watched how the clown votes. Fuck Joe Biden.

I'm on record as being staunchly in favor of Sanders and in fact it's been fun to watch the rest of the Democratic field get dragged towards his positions, often kicking and screaming!
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/53279/joe-biden-jr/?p=&p=1#.XRUHR62ZNE4

So that link is to his voting record, since you've watched how he voted over the years, which ones are you against? I figure almost everyone is just talking shit about this stuff and has not really looked at what people have done other than what they read in forums. I am all for having a good conversation on this.
 

hanimmal

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If you look hard enough, you can even find good things Nixon accomplished. I commend your efforts to highlight a few things that he voted for that were decent but he really has been the democratic face of the drug war.

I will absolutely not vote for him in the primary. Likely will abstain if he makes it to the general because I don't really want him to be president.
I didn't cherry pick anything, those were all the bills that he was co-sponsor/sponsor of that I listed, it was 16 pages long so I decided to look at the things that actually have his name on more deeply. I had never really heard of Biden before his VP, so don't really understand him being the 'Dem face' of drug war though it seems like a bit of a reach to put that on him.
 

UncleBuck

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That's your opinion. I disagree, his past is key. It's highly informative and it's had disastrous implications. The leader of a nation does not get a free pass just because tetris was popular when it happened. He certainly does not get a pass just because he was an accomplice as opposed to the ring leader.
You’re faulting Biden for voting for a bill that two thirds of the congressional black caucus voted for?

Huh
 

TacoMac

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IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND: Republicans vote consistently.
That's correct. And it's always shit.
  • Every major economy crash we've had, created by Republicans.
  • Every war since WWII, started by Republicans.
  • Every major scandal, done by Republicans.
  • Every walk back of taxes for the wealthy, done by Republicans.
  • Every walk back of insurance benefits, done by Republicans.
  • Every attack on women's rights, done by Republicans.
Republicans are uneducated, racist, womanizing idiots that the GOP manipulates so they can rob everybody blind...but republican voters are too stupid, uneducated and womanizing racists to see the difference. So long as the candidate is a womanizing, racist pig, they vote for them.
 

abandonconflict

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Then so is the congressional black caucus

A lot has changed in 25 years ya know
I never mentioned the 94 crime bill. Change is great. Biden needs to change more. Like change into someone without a shitty voting record and a sullied image.

He's not as bad as Bernie, but he's not very good and I'm not convinced that he can beat Trump.
 
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