Why avoid autoflowers when learning to grow?

PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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bf80255 said:
oh yeah okay! see now THAT looks like a good plant!
really nice work man

hows the taste/ smell effect?
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Thanks. I just had to go vape some that's over a year old. I harvested it July 2019. It still tastes pretty fruity, but not quite as much as it did originally. Still expands in my lungs.

Anyways, I would describe it as fruity. And it's an energetic high at first and then gets mellower. I'd definitely get it again
 
radrolley

radrolley

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bf80255 said:
why not just make S1 fems? you can keep them indefinitely for free. clones definitely cost more than a dollar a month to maintain. light space is valuable.

work 70% of the time...every time
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Clones have always been known to be the most cost effective way to grow and sustain a garden over a long period of time. Clones grow much faster than seeds and you know what you are getting every time. I actually did the math wrong. It costs me $1.38 on a 30 day month at 12 cents per KW/H. The biggest expensive is running the water pump which is nothing. My Aero cloner only takes up a 1'x1.5' space. Height is about 3.5'. I don't keep any dedicated mother plants. I see no need to when in veg I can top the plants and use those tops as clones. I currently have 5 strains growing that I started from seed years ago and have been cloning ever since. Equipment and start up costs was easily all paid off years ago. I even have extras to give away to my friends that are medical patients. I used to grow feminized seeds and I would never go back to only growing from seeds. That would be absolute disaster at least for my situation. I still sprout seeds once in a while and always cut a clone from it. If I like it a lot I will make sure that clone keeps getting cloned. I'm not against growing from seed by any means. It's a nice way to get to try all different kinds of phenos. Just cloning in cups of soil even works very well. Only need like a cheap 6w LED even less. The gel usually lasts a while but it gets expensive.
 
speedwell68

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Doug Dawson said:
The Maui Waui is from Nirvana and the Shiva Skunk is from Sensi Seeds. I never trust breeder claims, likely because plants can't read, lol.

I agree with your point about some home growers being "professionals". I guess it's just semantics as professional means you get paid for it. That said, we are all paid in bud so I suppose I have to agree with you. Those old granny growers, gotta love them. Many years of experience and no rushing to get product out. Better to have the best result for all your work and just throw the calender away.

I really wish I had the ability to have more plants but I can do what I can do within the law. Probably best thought since turning my basement into a big grow room would likely piss of my wife. Since she has access to my toothbrush and my throat while I sleep I figure it's best to never make her that mad.
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Having been to the Sensi Seeds "grow lab" in Amsterdam I can see where breeders get their flowering times from. (I went in and came out a different man, I can remember going in there, I can remember coming out and turning right. Next thing I know it is 4am and we are walking the streets looking for cheese cake.) The whole setup is perfect, totally clinical right down to the dudes in white coats and safety goggles. So yeah I believe that in their labs they can get the suggested flowering times. You need sunglasses on just to look through the viewing window.

If I had a basement I know what I would be doing in it. I have just checked and the wife is totally down with it.
 
twentyeight.threefive

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speedwell68 said:
Having been to the Sensi Seeds "grow lab" in Amsterdam I can see where breeders get their flowering times from. (I went in and came out a different man, I can remember going in there, I can remember coming out and turning right. Next thing I know it is 4am and we are walking the streets looking for cheese cake.) The whole setup is perfect, totally clinical right down to the dudes in white coats and safety goggles. So yeah I believe that in their labs they can get the suggested flowering times. You need sunglasses on just to look through the viewing window.

If I had a basement I know what I would be doing in it. I have just checked and the wife is totally down with it.
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Whether weed is grown in some super lab or someone's basement, it doesn't change flowering times.
 
speedwell68

speedwell68

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twentyeight.threefive said:
So everyone growing their own provides shitty environments? Or are you trying to imply the minute difference between a home grow and a lab environment will make weeks difference?
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I am not implying anything. Growing any crop will always be a compromise, always. Give a fruit less sun light and it will take longer to ripen, the same is true any flowering plant. A less than ideal temperature will also have an affect. Also I will add that the breeders generally give quite a wide range on their predicted timings. I am currently growing Sweet Zombie by Expert Seeds. According to their website it should take 49 - 56 days to ripen. On Thursday mine will be two weeks over that, but I did have a few days where the tent was a little on the cool side so that would have slowed things down. I am in a new tent with new lights, it took me a couple of weeks to get the distance from the canopy to the lights spot on, this would have had an affect. I had a little nutrient problem early on in the flowering cycle, mostly because of me trying a new medium and a new brand of nutes, I identified it and rectified it very quickly and all was well again, but it would have had an affect.

The difference between a professional grow lab and a grow in someone's closet or tent is like night and day. Dutch Coffee Shop weed is some of the best in the world if you go to the right places. Sensi Seeds let you have free samples of whatever they were growing there and that was the best damn weed I have ever smoked, barr none. These guys had to compromise nothing.

As we are dealing with a plant their will always be variables, some within our control and others not.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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speedwell68 said:
I am not implying anything. Growing any crop will always be a compromise, always. Give a fruit less sun light and it will take longer to ripen, the same is true any flowering plant. A less than ideal temperature will also have an affect. Also I will add that the breeders generally give quite a wide range on their predicted timings. I am currently growing Sweet Zombie by Expert Seeds. According to their website it should take 49 - 56 days to ripen. On Thursday mine will be two weeks over that, but I did have a few days where the tent was a little on the cool side so that would have slowed things down. I am in a new tent with new lights, it took me a couple of weeks to get the distance from the canopy to the lights spot on, this would have had an affect. I had a little nutrient problem early on in the flowering cycle, mostly because of me trying a new medium and a new brand of nutes, I identified it and rectified it very quickly and all was well again, but it would have had an affect.

The difference between a professional grow lab and a grow in someone's closet or tent is like night and day. Dutch Coffee Shop weed is some of the best in the world if you go to the right places. Sensi Seeds let you have free samples of whatever they were growing there and that was the best damn weed I have ever smoked, barr none. These guys had to compromise nothing.

As we are dealing with a plant their will always be variables, some within our control and others not.
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I know quite a few growers on this site alone that produce a product better than most "professional grow labs". They consistently run over the breeders estimate. It's not from minor mistakes, or errors. It's flat out wrong flower estimates. It's the biggest reason so many people harvest their crops early also.
 
calvin.m16

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I started out with Autos because I believed in the YouTube growers and thought it was the way of the future. Turned out to be garbage and actually harder to grow because its less predictable as your growing using seeds vs clones. With Photoperiod plants (12/12 flower) you can clone them and literally get the same results every plant, every harvest almost identical. Autoflowers are just very unpredictable and you end up with runts that dont grow well or die altogether. Also they eat really heavy and not lots of new growers can handle that.
 
speedwell68

speedwell68

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calvin.m16 said:
I started out with Autos because I believed in the YouTube growers and thought it was the way of the future. Turned out to be garbage and actually harder to grow because its less predictable as your growing using seeds vs clones. With Photoperiod plants (12/12 flower) you can clone them and literally get the same results every plant, every harvest almost identical. Autoflowers are just very unpredictable and you end up with runts that dont grow well or die altogether. Also they eat really heavy and not lots of new growers can handle that.
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When growing from seed I have found runts with photos too. I am just starting my second run with Autos and am finding them to be much less work than photos. Having never worked with them before I am finding my first run to be very rewarding, the results so far have been totally consistent with my expectations. TBH I don't find them to be particularly hungry, being new to Autos I sought advice on here and on the various growing subs on Reddit and the consensus view was to feed them at 50% of what I would be feeding a photo plant and so far I have found that advice to be spot on. I have no signs of deficiency and no signs of overfeeding either.
 
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Jimbo the Gael

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speedwell68 said:
I am not implying anything. Growing any crop will always be a compromise, always. Give a fruit less sun light and it will take longer to ripen, the same is true any flowering plant. A less than ideal temperature will also have an affect. Also I will add that the breeders generally give quite a wide range on their predicted timings. I am currently growing Sweet Zombie by Expert Seeds. According to their website it should take 49 - 56 days to ripen. On Thursday mine will be two weeks over that, but I did have a few days where the tent was a little on the cool side so that would have slowed things down. I am in a new tent with new lights, it took me a couple of weeks to get the distance from the canopy to the lights spot on, this would have had an affect. I had a little nutrient problem early on in the flowering cycle, mostly because of me trying a new medium and a new brand of nutes, I identified it and rectified it very quickly and all was well again, but it would have had an affect.

The difference between a professional grow lab and a grow in someone's closet or tent is like night and day. Dutch Coffee Shop weed is some of the best in the world if you go to the right places. Sensi Seeds let you have free samples of whatever they were growing there and that was the best damn weed I have ever smoked, barr none. These guys had to compromise nothing.

As we are dealing with a plant their will always be variables, some within our control and others not.
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I grew Pineapple Express #2, breeder flowering time given as 45-55 days. I cut on day 55 based on trichomes. Outdoors, no control over the environment. They were in pots, and I accidentally slowed them down by overdoing the K week 5. Just as potent as anything I can get at a dispensary. Just my experience, but the difference between a dialed in indoor environment and a competent outdoor grow (with the same grower) isn't as much as it's made out to be.

My clones are pretty much free as I use a glass of water on a windowsill (someone mentioned how old ladies do things, lol). Takes about 2 weeks unless it's cold. I really don't clone much though. I prefer seeds because I like variety, and as I only grow for personal use I don't have to take customer preferences into account.

I also have no need to pull pounds off a single plant, so I might stick to pots outside for the future. It's nice to have an 8 foot tall monster in the backyard, but for security's sake I'd like to keep it under the fence line going forward. Which is another point in favour of autos, they're done when photos are still in early flower outdoors. Rippers aren't really looking around yet.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Jimbo the Gael said:
I grew Pineapple Express #2, breeder flowering time given as 45-55 days. I cut on day 55 based on trichomes. Outdoors, no control over the environment. They were in pots, and I accidentally slowed them down by overdoing the K week 5. Just as potent as anything I can get at a dispensary. Just my experience, but the difference between a dialed in indoor environment and a competent outdoor grow (with the same grower) isn't as much as it's made out to be.

My clones are pretty much free as I use a glass of water on a windowsill (someone mentioned how old ladies do things, lol). Takes about 2 weeks unless it's cold. I really don't clone much though. I prefer seeds because I like variety, and as I only grow for personal use I don't have to take customer preferences into account.

I also have no need to pull pounds off a single plant, so I might stick to pots outside for the future. It's nice to have an 8 foot tall monster in the backyard, but for security's sake I'd like to keep it under the fence line going forward. Which is another point in favour of autos, they're done when photos are still in early flower outdoors. Rippers aren't really looking around yet.
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Do you have any photos of the plant at day 55?
 
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Jimbo the Gael

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twentyeight.threefive said:
Do you have any photos of the plant at day 55?
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No, I don't take pics for security purposes. I've been ripped before. And they can be...inconvenient...when trying to cross the border.
My buddy grew one at the same time, same batch of seeds. I can see if I can get any pics of his plant at that point, but he passed recently, so it might take a few days.
He might have posted them over on 420, user name CanadianJim, just like it was here.
 
bf80255

bf80255

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radrolley said:
Clones have always been known to be the most cost effective way to grow and sustain a garden over a long period of time. Clones grow much faster than seeds and you know what you are getting every time. I actually did the math wrong. It costs me $1.38 on a 30 day month at 12 cents per KW/H. The biggest expensive is running the water pump which is nothing. My Aero cloner only takes up a 1'x1.5' space. Height is about 3.5'. I don't keep any dedicated mother plants. I see no need to when in veg I can top the plants and use those tops as clones. I currently have 5 strains growing that I started from seed years ago and have been cloning ever since. Equipment and start up costs was easily all paid off years ago. I even have extras to give away to my friends that are medical patients. I used to grow feminized seeds and I would never go back to only growing from seeds. That would be absolute disaster at least for my situation. I still sprout seeds once in a while and always cut a clone from it. If I like it a lot I will make sure that clone keeps getting cloned. I'm not against growing from seed by any means. It's a nice way to get to try all different kinds of phenos. Just cloning in cups of soil even works very well. Only need like a cheap 6w LED even less. The gel usually lasts a while but it gets expensive.
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I was just sayin cuzz u said autos can cost more UNLESS you get seeds free. so Why not make S1 fems? then its free

i get you tho not your get down.


Fuckin aye!!! whys everyone so angry and argumentative lately? this site has gotten a lot more vicious from back in the day.....
 
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osowhom

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Doug Dawson said:
To most with a small plant limit or space limitations what you suggest is years worth of growing. While I can appreciate your thoroughness I have to think what you suggest for new growers is a little extreme. In Canada you have a 4 plant limit. Running 8 grows of one strain would take years. If a person does proper research there is enough information out there to easily get them through grow issues.
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just grow 4 at the neighbors house and 4 at the people across the road problem solved
 
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