The alt right groups, Proud Boys and Patriots Prayer are at it again in Oregon, this time in Salem.
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xtsho
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I'm not disagreeing with this so I don't understand what that has to do with anything. It's been Antifa causing all the mayhem and damage in Portland. I haven't seen the KKK looting businesses, barricading streets, and running wild vandalizing everything sight in Portland recently. That's a fact not an ideology.The facts that say otherwise.
Federal officials who monitor and study domestic terrorism and violence say that the right wing extremists are the source of most of the violence that occurred this summer. Don't take my word for it, listen to people who study the matter:
White Supremacists Top Terrorist Threats Within U.S., Wolf Says
White Supremacists Top Terrorist Threats Within U.S., Wolf Says
President Donald Trump’s nominee to lead the agency in charge of curbing domestic terrorism told senators that White supremacists have become the “most persistent and lethal threat” to the U.S. from within the country.www.bloomberg.com
President Donald Trump’s nominee to lead the agency in charge of curbing domestic terrorism told senators that White supremacists have become the “most persistent and lethal threat” to the U.S. from within the country.
“White supremacist extremists, from a lethality standpoint over the last two years, particularly when you look at 2018 and 2019, are certainly the most persistent and lethal threat when we talk about domestic violent extremists,” said Chad Wolf, who has been heading the Department of Homeland Security in an acting capacity since late last year.
As for Antifa, well I know all about them as they started right here in my home city. I've seen them up close over the years and there is one thing that they always bring with them and that's violence. Anyone that lives in Portland and isn't part of the group knows exactly what I'm talking about and is sick of their crap.
Antifa Background
"Antifa members view themselves as part of a protest tradition that arcs back to opposition groups in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy prior to World War II. U.S. antifa activism traces its roots back to antiracists who mobilized in the 1980s while opposing the activities of racist skinheads, members of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), and neoNazis. Founded in 2007, The Rose City Antifa in Portland, OR, is the oldest U.S. group to use “antifa” in its moniker. Antifa groups in the United States gained prominence following violent clashes between white supremacists and their opponents, including antifa supporters, in Charlottesville, VA, on August 12, 2017."
DIY-HP-LED
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Win the senate and others might have other ideas about how to deal with these assholes. There are gonna be a variety of approaches taken by a variety of people and some won't be pleasant. There are whiners and conmen on one side and lot's very pissed off patriots on the other who are just beginning to fight the long hard fight.
If I have any hope for Georgia, it is Donald, he would fuck up the Lord's prayer and he is starting on Mitch and it will get much nuttier before it gets better, but when it does get better it will suddenly on Jan 20th. Win the senate and Joe might not have too much control over the course of events, do the important things like HR1 and exploiting your electoral advantages with corruption investigations against the guilty, in the congress and in this administration. Joe has too much to do and he must delegate this shit to others to take care of, having the senate would lighten the load immensely. Jesus the task ahead of him will be daunting and they will rewrite history on him when he is done. Donald was the best president ever, you will here it like Obama was the worst president ever and from the same assholes.
Careful linear thinking is ok for planning in stable environments, but for fighting you sometimes have to be irrational and grab the bull by the nuts or you'll end up handling him by the horns, like now.
hanimmal
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Just to jump onto the house thing, the gerrymandering makes it really hard for the Democrats to keep total control of the house too.
If you haven't yet, you should look at Fogdogs post right above this comment.
Also everywhere has gangs. ANTIFA is just getting their brand pushed across the nation by Trump's troll army to make it look a lot worse than it is. Not saying you guys don't have them in Portland, but that is one area, how many other gangs do you have there?
DIY-HP-LED
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I only seem to see them respond to right wing violence, it's not hard to see who is motivated by hate and bullshit in this situation. The police are also clearly corrupt and not just in Portland, I've seen enough video and if the democrats win the senate they will see hundreds of hours of video evidence of police rightwing bias.
What does the right stand for?
What do these people stand for?
Who are the patriots and who are the evil bastards?
xtsho
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I'm not condoning that but put it in perspective. One day in Salem and a couple broken windows vs 8 months, hundreds of looted buildings, thousands of broken windows, hundreds of cars vandalized, and the list goes on.
You keep trying to use some other group causing violence as if that in some way justifies what Antifa has been doing. It doesn't.
And I can lump them together and it's nothing like trump refusing to admonish white supremacy. I admonish both white supremacy and people that cause violence like Antifa.
You still haven't answered my question. Do you live in Portland?
Fogdog
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This post is about what happened in Salem. There were no Antifa there. There were no BLM there. It was all Proud Boys and Patriots prayer.
Yet you want to talk about antifa when they had nothing to do with what happened Monday. I get your obsession with antifa. I get that you equate broken windows with murderous thugs attacking people standing against fascists. I get that you are confused. Just get it through your thick head that this post is not about that.
Fogdog
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You are confused and your confusion is derailing this thread. If you want to talk about Portland do so on threads that cover that topic.
xtsho
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I'm not confused at all about the 2 groups. But I do see I'm in the Salem thread. I thought I was in a different thread. Shit Oh well. Someone had to shake things up a little.
Fogdog
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Fixed it for you.
xtsho
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You fixed nothing. But if it helps with your self esteem then we'll just pretend that you did.
You seem to think because a hundred people showed up in Salem Oregon to protest the lockdown it means that the violence is going to just keep getting worse. I don't agree. I think things will start calming down faster than many think. And there really weren't that many proud boys at that demonstration. You can tell just by the amount of women that were there. joey gibson was present but not with his usual entourage. I don't see any of the typical proud girls black attire with the yellow trim and emblem. Looked more like a bunch of local yocals, some old people, etc... One of the guys arrested was 75 years old. More like gibson crashed the party instead of organizing it.
It was a pretty varied crowd that was protesting the lockdown. Probably quite a few small business owners that weren't even there for anything political but merely because they are losing their livelihood and want the lockdown to end. Think businesses like restaurants and bars which are being decimated by the lockdown. It was nothing like you seem to think it was. Yes some people got violent but as for some big gathering of the proud boys and patriot prayer, it wasn't. joey gibson was there but that's about it. And he's really not much of anything. He just showed up to try and stay relevant but he's not. The sky isn't falling, There is no right wing insurrection that's going to happen, there will be no civil war, things will settle down.
There were only 31 retweets to his post on twitter which shows that he doesn't have the influence many like you seem to think he does. He's an amatuer that stumbled into the spotlight and that spotlight is burning out. You're worrying too much about a fading movement.
Patriot Prayer USA Joey Gibson:
"Some groups are going to the Oregon State Capitol on Monday morning. I will try to be there. Please share all over social media!"
"Some groups" and "I will try to be there" does not sound anything like a rally organized by the proud boys or patriot prayer. But makes for a good headline.
There are also a lot of people that are not handling the lockdown as well as others and want it to end. Many people that showed up in Salem likely fall into that category. They just wanted an excuse to get out and do something. If you watch videos of the demonstration you see many people just standing around with their cameras taking photos and smiling for selfies as if they were just there to get a shot to post on facebook. So you can calm down about armageddon. It's all going to be okay. The event in Salem was basically a big nothing.
What I want to know is if this black guy is actually a trump supporter or a journalist in disguise.
hanimmal
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lol not to be 'that guy', but man, if you would defend Antifa the same way you just did this protest that turned into a riot. I think you would be on to something.You fixed nothing. But if it helps with your self esteem then we'll just pretend that you did.
You seem to think because a hundred people showed up in Salem Oregon to protest the lockdown it means that the violence is going to just keep getting worse. I don't agree. I think things will start calming down faster than many think. And there really weren't that many proud boys at that demonstration. You can tell just by the amount of women that were there. joey gibson was present but not with his usual entourage. I don't see any of the typical proud girls black attire with the yellow trim and emblem. Looked more like a bunch of local yocals, some old people, etc... One of the guys arrested was 75 years old. More like gibson crashed the party instead of organizing it.
It was a pretty varied crowd that was protesting the lockdown. Probably quite a few small business owners that weren't even there for anything political but merely because they are losing their livelihood and want the lockdown to end. Think businesses like restaurants and bars which are being decimated by the lockdown. It was nothing like you seem to think it was. Yes some people got violent but as for some big gathering of the proud boys and patriot prayer, it wasn't. joey gibson was there but that's about it. And he's really not much of anything. He just showed up to try and stay relevant but he's not. The sky isn't falling, There is no right wing insurrection that's going to happen, there will be no civil war, things will settle down.
There were only 31 retweets to his post on twitter which shows that he doesn't have the influence many like you seem to think he does. He's an amatuer that stumbled into the spotlight and that spotlight is burning out. You're worrying too much about a fading movement.
Patriot Prayer USA Joey Gibson:
"Some groups are going to the Oregon State Capitol on Monday morning. I will try to be there. Please share all over social media!"
"Some groups" and "I will try to be there" does not sound anything like a rally organized by the proud boys or patriot prayer. But makes for a good headline.
There are also a lot of people that are not handling the lockdown as well as others and want it to end. Many people that showed up in Salem likely fall into that category. They just wanted an excuse to get out and do something. If you watch videos of the demonstration you see many people just standing around with their cameras taking photos and smiling for selfies as if they were just there to get a shot to post on facebook. So you can calm down about armageddon. It's all going to be okay. The event in Salem was basically a big nothing.
What I want to know is if this black guy is actually a trump supporter or a journalist in disguise.
Fogdog
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^^^You fixed nothing. But if it helps with your self esteem then we'll just pretend that you did.
You seem to think because a hundred people showed up in Salem Oregon to protest the lockdown it means that the violence is going to just keep getting worse. I don't agree. I think things will start calming down faster than many think. And there really weren't that many proud boys at that demonstration. You can tell just by the amount of women that were there. joey gibson was present but not with his usual entourage. I don't see any of the typical proud girls black attire with the yellow trim and emblem. Looked more like a bunch of local yocals, some old people, etc... One of the guys arrested was 75 years old. More like gibson crashed the party instead of organizing it.
It was a pretty varied crowd that was protesting the lockdown. Probably quite a few small business owners that weren't even there for anything political but merely because they are losing their livelihood and want the lockdown to end. Think businesses like restaurants and bars which are being decimated by the lockdown. It was nothing like you seem to think it was. Yes some people got violent but as for some big gathering of the proud boys and patriot prayer, it wasn't. joey gibson was there but that's about it. And he's really not much of anything. He just showed up to try and stay relevant but he's not. The sky isn't falling, There is no right wing insurrection that's going to happen, there will be no civil war, things will settle down.
There were only 31 retweets to his post on twitter which shows that he doesn't have the influence many like you seem to think he does. He's an amatuer that stumbled into the spotlight and that spotlight is burning out. You're worrying too much about a fading movement.
Patriot Prayer USA Joey Gibson:
"Some groups are going to the Oregon State Capitol on Monday morning. I will try to be there. Please share all over social media!"
"Some groups" and "I will try to be there" does not sound anything like a rally organized by the proud boys or patriot prayer. But makes for a good headline.
There are also a lot of people that are not handling the lockdown as well as others and want it to end. Many people that showed up in Salem likely fall into that category. They just wanted an excuse to get out and do something. If you watch videos of the demonstration you see many people just standing around with their cameras taking photos and smiling for selfies as if they were just there to get a shot to post on facebook. So you can calm down about armageddon. It's all going to be okay. The event in Salem was basically a big nothing.
What I want to know is if this black guy is actually a trump supporter or a journalist in disguise.
"I'm not defending Patroit Prayer and Proud Boys BUT, there weren't any in Salem on Monday (well, maybe a few). It was just a peaceful gathering of small business owners. Joey Gibson had nothing to do with it. And a black Trump supporter was sighted"
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More clashes. One dude about a 20ft braking distance away from being killed.
www.foxnews.com
Antifa 'armed' rioters descend on Oregon State Capitol in Salem
Police received reports of vehicles driving past the Capitol being struck with balloons filled with paint as well as green lasers being pointed at drivers.
they're just doing their own shit everyday now..Tumps basically on his death bed.
'it's just what boys do..boy talk' -Melania Tump
has anyone seen Hereditary? maybe they'll look to the south east and call upon of of the six princes of hell- Paimon.
en.wikipedia.org
word has it Paimon is one of Lucifers favorites.
@Fogdog did you figure a toll road for those rebels when you become Greater Idaho?..they need a way to the sea for the delivery of their Gatling Guns.
'it's just what boys do..boy talk' -Melania Tump
has anyone seen Hereditary? maybe they'll look to the south east and call upon of of the six princes of hell- Paimon.
Paimon - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
word has it Paimon is one of Lucifers favorites.
@Fogdog did you figure a toll road for those rebels when you become Greater Idaho?..they need a way to the sea for the delivery of their Gatling Guns.
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hanimmal
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'Antifa-aligned' Fucking Fox News pushing more propaganda selling their big lies for the Republican cultists.More clashes. One dude about a 20ft braking distance away from being killed.
Antifa 'armed' rioters descend on Oregon State Capitol in Salem
Police received reports of vehicles driving past the Capitol being struck with balloons filled with paint as well as green lasers being pointed at drivers.
DIY-HP-LED
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Why should the left do anything on the streets? They are sitting at the table of power and the right is in the streets, I have a feeling that there were violent rightwing elements involved. I think the FBI and DOJ should investigate this cause I don't trust the local cops and it smells of proud boys of involvement. I think they setup the original demonstration and infiltrated the counter protest, green lasers at cops, etc. Like I said, the left has a seat at the table of power and have little cause to hit the streets right now with police and other reform in the offing and the DOJ going after the Trumpers and proud boys full steam.
Well....skinny white kids all blacked out in Oregon throwing rocks at redneck trucks, it doesn't seem like a stretch. I don't usually care about biased inflammatory language because I'm mostly numb to it, but I think worse than "antifa-aligned" is the four words before it "as violence linked to", because it's placing all violence from the day on antifa, as if to imply that everything was fine and then antifa went around hurting everyone, when reality there was some proud boys trolling going on. I can't really take sides on this stuff, because it's just people going out looking for trouble and finding it.
hanimmal
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Im going with brainwashed folks are the ones involved, trying to brand crazy is tough.
Right wing hate media has worked hard to paint anything that they can to scare their flock as 'the left'.
Fogdog
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Forget what Fox says.
The local newspaper coverage isn't all that different except they do a better job (less biased) of explaining what happened:
Police arrest 4 during Oregon State Capitol anti-fascist protest, clash with right-wing supporters
Anti-fascist demonstrators gathered at the Oregon Capitol to protest Freedom rally caravan
www.statesmanjournal.com
Police arrest 4 during Oregon State Capitol anti-fascist protest, clash with right-wing supporters
Self-described anti-fascist protesters on the sidewalks and in the street threw objects, such as paint-filled balloons and rocks, at a number of vehicles that drove by the Capitol with American flags and right-wing support flags, breaking some vehicles' windows.
One vehicle sustained damage after a large tree limb was thrown through the front window into the vehicle’s passenger seat, Salem police said in a release.
Throwing paint filled balloons at a right winger's truck? Nothing is going to get the Trumplican's goat more than that did. They love their jacked up rigs. So, lol to all that.
A tree branch through a window of a moving vehicle goes a bit too much over the line for me. Still, I'm having trouble feeling very sympathetic to somebody who sides with antidemocratic movement and no doubt knew why his window was smashed by that branch.
Nobody hurt. Plenty of chaos, anger and property damage. Typical Antifa nonviolent protest. It's not going to stop until Portland's police department addresses its problem with fascism on its force. The fascists are the violent ones.
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