Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a 226% increase in hate crimes

DIY-HP-LED

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You can't gerrymander state wide elections, but you can sure suppress the shit out of them by bottle necking voting for people voting in the Democrats.
To give an example, we are close to an 80% vaxx rate nationally without mandates (illustrates the impact of US politics). Because 80% are vaxxed, naturally mandates are popular here and there would be minimal political consequences. Once the reluctant are vaccinated, they too eventually join the tribe, though grumbling along the way, some really want to be mandated so they can save face. The facts of life and death are become alarmingly obvious, even to them, few things will bitch slap them back to reality better than delta covid. They are playing with fire while soaked in gasoline.
 

CunningCanuk

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To give an example, we are close to an 80% vaxx rate nationally without mandates (illustrates the impact of US politics). Because 80% are vaxxed, naturally mandates are popular here and there would be minimal political consequences. Once the reluctant are vaccinated, they too eventually join the tribe, though grumbling along the way, some really want to be mandated so they can save face. The facts of life and death are become alarmingly obvious, even to them, few things will bitch slap them back to reality better than delta covid. They are playing with fire while soaked in gasoline.
Good point. The people here are demanding vaccine mandates and Ford had been dragging his feet. It looks like he is finally capitulating to the people’s will.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Good point. The people here are demanding vaccine mandates and Ford had been dragging his feet. It looks like he is finally capitulating to the people’s will.
That's because almost all of Canada's assholes are concentrated in the conservative party and they tend to pander to loonies, though not as extreme as in the states. Manitoba offers an example of this with Palliser pandering to a small minority of conservative religious loonies. Increasingly here too, the conservative base contains these antisocial elements, it's the closest thing they have to a political home in Canada.
 

hanimmal

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Recently, an exclusive Reuters report claimed the FBI has little evidence of a single overarching plot to overturn the election on January 6. The headline: "FBI finds scant evidence US Capitol attack was coordinated — sources." The story kicked off a self-serving game of telephone by right-wingers spinning an already threadbare dispatch into ever-more exculpatory narratives. Steve Bannon pronounced it a "massive win" while Republican Senate hopeful JD Vance tweeted, "Another narrative collapses." These strained readings of the report culminated in the bizarre Washington Examiner headline: "FBI confirms there was no insurrection."

In fact, the government has already uncovered far-reaching conspiracies to attack the Capitol and stop the certification of the election. It alleges that three major paramilitary groups — the Oath Keepers, The Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters — conspired within their own ranks to commit violence to keep Donald Trump in power. In addition to plotting within their own ranks, these groups reportedly coordinated with each other. The point that Reuters' anonymous sources were making was that there is as-yet little evidence these paramilitary operations were part of a single overarching plot orchestrated by a "civilian" leader, like Trump confidante and self-proclaimed dirty trickster Roger Stone. Maybe the paramilitaries acted on their own. This is a truly terrifying possibility given it would indicate the civilian wing of the Republican Party has finally lost control of the party's paramilitary wing.

Members and associates of the Oath Keepers militia have already pleaded guilty to conspiring to disrupt the certification of the election, and many others are working their way through the courts on similar charges. The government alleges extensive coordination among the Oath Keepers in the run-up to January 6 and ongoing communication with their leader while they stormed the Capitol. Multiple Proud Boys have also been charged with conspiracy and other serious offenses stemming from the assault on the Capitol. The government alleges, and independent media reports confirm, that teams of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were in the vanguard of the assault on the Capitol.

Moreover, all three paramilitary groups were an integral part of the Trumpist "Stop the Steal" movement that staged a series of violent protests to intimidate election officials in swing states, cement the myth of voter fraud, legitimize the Trump team's frivolous legal challenges and radicalize supporters. "Stop the Steal" had an established M.O. by January 6: besiege public officials and attempt to bully them into certifying the contest for Trump based on wild allegations of voter fraud and the ever-present threat of violence.

There's no question that the civilian architects of "Stop the Steal" wanted to intimidate the lawmakers certifying the election. Organizer Ali Alexander explained his plan was to put "maximum pressure" on the lawmakers in a bid to coerce the GOP representatives they had not been able to lobby to join their cause. "If they [certify the election], everyone can guess what me and 500,000 others will do to that building," Alexander tweeted on Dec. 30. "1776 is *always* an option""

"I want to hear a huge shout-out for Enrique and the Proud Boys right now," "Stop the Steal" organizer Cindy Chafian commanded the crowd gathered in Washington on January 5 on the eve of the certification of the election. Chafian went on to thank the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters and other paramilitary groups as unsung heroes. "I'm tired of the left telling us we can't talk about them," Chafian said.

Chafian was referring to Enrique Tarrio, the supreme leader of the Proud Boys, who had been scheduled to speak at the gathering, but found himself unable to attend because he'd been arrested two days earlier for burning a Black Lives Matter flag at a previous "Stop the Steal" rally in Washington. Chafian's fellow speaker, Cordie Williams thundered that, "Enrique is in jail right now for burning a flag that bastardizes everything we stand for, it makes me sick."

The "Stop the Steal" slogan was coined by Stone in 2016 and revived by his protegé Ali Alexander to transmute lies about election fraud into incandescent rage that it hoped to harness to keep Donald Trump in power. "'Stop the Steal' is a highly coordinated partisan political operation intent on bringing together conspiracy theorists, militias, hate groups and Trump supporters to attack the integrity of our election," Ben Decker, the CEO and founder of Memetica, a digital investigations consultancy, told CNN in November of 2020.

As the votes were being counted, Alexander organized a series of armed, violent protests in swing states geared at intimidating state election officials. The Oath Keepers provided security for "Stop the Steal" organizers, including Stone. The Proud Boys turned out in force to brutalize counter-protesters and even organized their own protest at the home of United States Senator Marco Rubio to pressure him not to certify. Stone addressed the crowd by speaker phone.

Tarrio and other high-ranking Proud Boys were so close to Stonethey were allowed to post to his social media accounts. Stone was even kicked off instagram for his ties to the Proud Boys. Stone was so accustomed to surrounding himself with Proud Boys that The Daily Beast proclaimed the neo-fascist street brawlers "Roger Stone's Personal Army" in 2019.

Stone and Alexander's longstanding relationships with the paramilitaries are tantalizing circumstantial evidence, but hard proof that they or any "civilian" ordered shock troops to attack the Capitol remains elusive.

Stone and Alexander like to cast themselves as skilled operatives very much in control, even as they deny responsibility for the violence swirling around them. But if Reuters' sources are correct, they paint a very different picture: That Stone, Alexander and all their Republican allies and enablers are ineffectual dupes who have lost control of the toxic forces they sought to command.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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These aren't citizens so much are armed insurgents and traitors and should be treated differently than regular criminals, on the front end of the legal system at least. They are more of a national security threat than any foreign terrorist group and most armies. It is a problem easily solved with law and policy, if you win a majority they will be finished quickly and thousands will be put on a domestic terrorist list and won't be allowed to own guns or ammo, or fly on an airline. The kinds of bullshit they pull off with health and election officials will carry long criminal sentences and a place on the domestic terrorist list. Maybe a list of wingnuts would be a useful addition too. Ya gotta win to save your country IMHO, then one careful step at a time.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If you win, there are plenty of highly motivated, experienced and intelligent patriots who will dream up and implement the means to protect your country from these racist assholes. You need to win though and keeping these assholes out of power by any means is the top priority. They cheat and steal and you cannot have free and fair elections with such people, politics takes good will on both sides. A purely defensive strategy is a losing one with these people, as they constantly search for holes in the law and system to exploit and corrupt. The weakness of their leaders is corruption, they all have character issues and most break or have broken the law, this needs to be used against them by a proactive DOJ. Judges hear cases and juries decide and there are plenty of corrupt republican (and democrat) politicians.
 

hanimmal

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I thought he was actually nice to Christie.

That sack of shit should get the fact that that lady took the bullet for him shutting down that bridge and he is making bank as a political talking head on ABC thrown in his face over and over again. They need to take off the kids gloves with him.
 
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hanimmal

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Her chart correctly shows that huge spike is during Trump's presidency. The idiot just is saying that it is because of Biden.
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Three Berries

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Hate crimes are BS. I can murder a white man and it's just plain old murder. Murder a black man and for some reason it's hateful. I would think murder is hateful no matter what.

Much like if I kill a baby a woman is carrying, I get charged with murder. If she aborts her baby then that's AOK. Seems rather hateful both to the baby and to me.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Hate crimes are BS. I can murder a white man and it's just plain old murder. Murder a black man and for some reason it's hateful. I would think murder is hateful no matter what.

Much like if I kill a baby a woman is carrying, I get charged with murder. If she aborts her baby then that's AOK. Seems rather hateful both to the baby and to me.
Is there anything that you have a grasp of? I mean... other than your tiny penis?
 

hanimmal

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Hate crimes are BS. I can murder a white man and it's just plain old murder. Murder a black man and for some reason it's hateful. I would think murder is hateful no matter what.
Where did you learn this nonsense from?

I imagine a smoky room with a bunch of drunk dudes nodding along.

Much like if I kill a baby a woman is carrying, I get charged with murder. If she aborts her baby then that's AOK. Seems rather hateful both to the baby and to me.
You don't see the difference between you beating a woman and her miscarrying and her making a choice to not go to term with her pregnancy for any of the many many reasons they would choose to?
 

CatHedral

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Hate crimes are BS. I can murder a white man and it's just plain old murder. Murder a black man and for some reason it's hateful. I would think murder is hateful no matter what.

Much like if I kill a baby a woman is carrying, I get charged with murder. If she aborts her baby then that's AOK. Seems rather hateful both to the baby and to me.
The bolded is contradictory. In a specific dominionist dog whistle manner.

The rest is straight up bigotry of a different kind.
 

Three Berries

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The bolded is contradictory. In a specific dominionist dog whistle manner.

The rest is straight up bigotry of a different kind.
Glad you approve. Are you happy your mother considered you a baby and not a mass of parasitic cells? Murder is murder. There should be a different earthly penalty for those who kill their own in the womb. Goes against the science of evolution!
 

CatHedral

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Glad you approve. Are you happy your mother considered you a baby and not a mass of parasitic cells? Murder is murder. There should be a different earthly penalty for those who kill their own in the womb. Goes against the science of evolution!
Youre worse than the sasquatch with the straw men. And that is saying something.

At least I am doing you the decency of dismantling what you are actually posting, instead of specious attack on a sly restatement dishonestly insinuating that I’m saying something monstrous.
 

Three Berries

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Youre worse than the sasquatch with the straw men. And that is saying something.

At least I am doing you the decency of dismantling what you are actually posting, instead of specious attack on a sly restatement dishonestly insinuating that I’m saying something monstrous.
I could care less. It's a good example of evolution at work for libs to kill their own offspring. makes for good satanic offerings too.
 

CatHedral

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The irony is that the traitriots with their antivax, antiscience and anti-social programs stance are killing far more of their own offspring.
It effectively illustrates their collective psychosis.
 

hanimmal

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I could care less. It's a good example of evolution at work for libs to kill their own offspring. makes for good satanic offerings too.
Weren't you the troll screaming white genocide? It is hard to keep the sock puppets here straight, but it is funny if that was you in context of the above shit post by you.
 

CunningCanuk

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Hate crimes are BS. I can murder a white man and it's just plain old murder. Murder a black man and for some reason it's hateful. I would think murder is hateful no matter what.

Much like if I kill a baby a woman is carrying, I get charged with murder. If she aborts her baby then that's AOK. Seems rather hateful both to the baby and to me.
I hear you. It’s like buying a new car and being allergic to apples.
 
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