what is happening to this country?

[tyke1973]

The goverment are putting exstacy at a class b this news is unreal how can a tablet that has cost the lifes of a good few people lea betts the pappers had a field day with that one if poor lea had been smokeing cannabis none of this would have happened.I have had e myself and don't get me wrong in the old days they used to be £25.00 now you can getthem for a £1.00 each gordan brown has no idea what he is doing i can not belive that the only drug that has caused no deaths is at the forfront of the labour goverments war on drugs.All the goverment partys have to realise that they are fighting a loseing war.I have differant opinion on heroin and cocaine these drugs realy fuck people up i have been in a personal war with both heroin and crack for years lucky that im clean of that evil drug now but saying that no one forced it down my neck.The labour goverment should legalise cannabis all this false information in the media is alot to blame channel all of the police's efforts into class a drugs the drugs that are responsible for 70 percent of crime give bigger sentences to heroin and coke dealers after all most crime commited is to feed the habbits of the users of these drugs.We want a amsterdam kind of state people going to certain cafe's and chatting with others make the legal age 18 and put all of these oneabe gansters out of buisness.Cannabis is one of the 1st recorded plants on his planet we can not be deniedsomething that we love doing millions upon millions are being forced to go underground to smoke something that is less harmful than alcohol when was the last time you heard of someone smokeing a joint going home and beating there wife this happens thousans of times a day in britain alone through alcohol.it's not only freedom of speech we want it is freedom of choice we choose to smoke cannabis it's our bodys so why should some powerstriken fat idiot decide what we can and can't do this drug could do so much medacaly thats the reason that i smoke it because since comeing off heroin i suffer from bad back no been able to sleep i did'nt eat anything tilli smoked my first joint this could be a good thing for people who have appitite issues.How many of you have to go out and deal with dealers who think that they are alcapone who probebly have about 1 ounce dealing with the dealers of any drug is bad enougth but why should we line the pockets of these people just think of all that money that could go into the state fund helping build new hospitals new schools cannabis could be the answer to the state this country is in money wise so make your voices heard send letters to your local politician and voice your oppinion sorry to go on for so long but this realy makes my blood boil.

 

[ganjamanuk]

it is getting ridiculous now i must agree.

 

[Hedgehunter]

muppet,pills cause 20 deaths a year, how many people get cancer through smoking joints? (that are 5 times worse than normal ciggies).......100's more.

 

[krustofskie]

I really don’t ever see this happening. The government has never followed any advice given to them from experts reporting on the problems of drugs and what to do about it.
Especially in the light of weed being reclassified up to class B from C, do you really believe the government would de-classify man made chemical drug when a natural herb's are being classed higher.
Here is a link to a BBC report on the matter.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7636896.stm

 

[pitchforksandtorches]

As i understand it, "the council on the misuse of drugs" is to recommend in a report to the UK govt that ecstasy should be downgraded to a "b". just a report/recommendation, which like many before it, will most likely be ignored for whatever reason... seriously, can u see it happening? (i'm set up to fail here lol, but i like E's, not that a change in class will make any difference to anything afaic)....
and dont start me on the Leah Betts story, early/mid teen doing E with a bunch of mates in a party at home with yer policeman dad there smells strange to me..

 

[pitchforksandtorches]

Sorry to sound like a git , but there are plenty of violent, unpleasant, selfish people in the world who also happen to smoke cannabis

 

[d20freek]

Over 40% of the people in the U.S. do use cannabis and that's a statistic based on people who admit they do. Think about the people who don't say they do or have, lets say 50% to make up for the people that plead the 5th... Does that mean over half the people in the U.S. alone deserve to be in Jail or be marked as criminals?...

Now with those numbers of people that do smoke cannabis, you can be sure some of them are real criminals (crack dealers, murders, thieves, ext).

But to most the other people that smoke or use cannabis are patience's taking their medication and hippies(cool people) just chill people relaxing. Now do they deserve to be put in jail for this? imo, I think not!..

No federal gov. from any country should be able to take an herb and contraband it then classify it as a drug as hard or evil as other known drugs that really kill...

Now MDMA is a different story. The people that are smuggling this drug are usually cartel (criminals). Now if it was just doctors dealing and distributing it then that would be a cool, but I'm not down with people that bring bad energy (mojo, ora) with them (criminals)....

 

[JangleGrow]

muppet,pills cause 20 deaths a year, how many people get cancer through smoking joints? (that are 5 times worse than normal ciggies).......100's more.

There might be 5 times the tar in a joint than a cigarette but that doesn't make weed worse.

First a cigarette smoker smokes about 20+ cigs a day. Second, weed doesn't have cyanide and all the other chemicals or carcinogens (cancer causing agents) that cigarettes have.

At any rate, it's never been proven that cigs cause cancer in all people. Obviously, they cause cancer in some with certain genes but some people still seem to resist it.

I lost 2 family members to lung cancer last year and did loads of research on it. With all the reading I've done, and all the doctors I've spoken with, I can only conclude that cancer lies within the individuals genetic makeup.


There is a lot of research that suggests that you're diet can be preventative maintenance as well. Especially regarding mycology.

Some folks smoke 2 packs/day for 60 years and live to 110. Others smoke 1 pack/day for 2 years of their lives and die before they're 50.

All of that aside, should it be the government's choice whether I live or die?

Live free or die.

 

[poplars]

muppet,pills cause 20 deaths a year, how many people get cancer through smoking joints? (that are 5 times worse than normal ciggies).......100's more.

nobody has ever been diagnosed with lung cancer directly from pot smoking.

did you know that THC kills cancer cells!?


edit: cigarettes have trace ammounts of polonium-210 in them (every cigarette, and this is enough polonium to cause cancer.)

this polonium-210 emits ionizing alpha radiation, that has the potential of going through your cells, breaking off a base to your dna and causing a mutation, tumor.

@JangleGrow: what I said above basically is proof that cigarettes directly cause cancer. nothing to do with predisposition.

atleast thc works against the tar that comes with it, if you did your reading you would know that.

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

nobody has ever been diagnosed with lung cancer directly from pot smoking.

did you know that THC kills cancer cells!?


edit: cigarettes have trace ammounts of polonium-210 in them (every cigarette, and this is enough polonium to cause cancer.)

this polonium-210 emits ionizing alpha radiation, that has the potential of going through your cells, breaking off a base to your dna and causing a mutation, tumor.

@JangleGrow: what I said above basically is proof that cigarettes directly cause cancer. nothing to do with predisposition.

atleast thc works against the tar that comes with it, if you did your reading you would know that.

yeah the gay truth commercials and other reefer madness fools can say that retarded statistic that 1 joint is like 4 ciggs or whatever, but like dude above me said, smoking only weed hasnt even been shown to cause cancer...

 

[itzCESAR*]

muppet,pills cause 20 deaths a year, how many people get cancer through smoking joints? (that are 5 times worse than normal ciggies).......100's more.

I would also like to mention that many patient smokers have found the wonders of vaporizing. This stops any tar from ever being produced if done right. It does not combust the marijuana, just the cannabinoids. O and the taste is far richer Mmmmmm THC

 

[itzCESAR*]

If you're not sure what a vaporizer is take a look here "How a vaporizer works". I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. I just googled "how does a vaporizer work", and that was the first link. The first few paragraphs describe how any vaporizer works, not just theres. : ) PEACE

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

I would also like to mention that many patient smokers have found the wonders of vaporizing. This stops any tar from ever being produced if done right. It does not combust the marijuana, just the cannabinoids. O and the taste is far richer Mmmmmm THC

Yep, ive finally decided recently to actually stop with the blunt madness, iono what it is about blunts that i love, but i kno it cant be all that healthy, so im gettin a vape, and think about it, if vaping was the norm with using weed, they couldnt say shit really about ...well anything lol it wouldnt be unhealthy...at all.

 

[itzCESAR*]

Yep, ive finally decided recently to actually stop with the blunt madness, iono what it is about blunts that i love, but i kno it cant be all that healthy, so im gettin a vape, and think about it, if vaping was the norm with using weed, they couldnt say shit really about ...well anything lol it wouldnt be unhealthy...at all.

lol yep, they wouldn't have shit. Still tho it would still be illegal. Why??? That's the question.
I'm not a conspiracist, but I wouldn't be surprised if many corps had there hands in on this. I mean Hemp alone is stronger than cotton, and far more efficient... I believe you could grow 4x the hemp in the same space as cotton, it may in fact be more. Also all the medicinal purposes OMG. Tylenol would be out of business lol along w/ many other corps.

 

[OregonMeds]

Actually extasy kills less young people every year than driving a car or walking along the road or falling in the tub... It would be great if they downgraded it for you guys.

Pot is another story... It's the only drug that doesn't cause any real ill effects or deaths at all. Including NO CANCER no matter how much you puff... So sure, it should be legal. You will have to fight for it.

 

[poplars]

straight up. but I'm gonna let others do the fighting, I'll just stay at home and grow my pot

 

[itzCESAR*]

lol ya, are there any actual activists on this forum???

 

[Zig Zag Zane]

lol yep, they wouldn't have shit. Still tho it would still be illegal. Why??? That's the question.
I'm not a conspiracist, but I wouldn't be surprised if many corps had there hands in on this. I mean Hemp alone is stronger than cotton, and far more efficient... I believe you could grow 4x the hemp in the same space as cotton, it may in fact be more. Also all the medicinal purposes OMG. Tylenol would be out of business lol along w/ many other corps.

Thats exactly it, it being illegal is TOO good for too many things, we SHOULD HAVE been using hemp for everything!!for all these years!why on earth are we still cutting trees wtf, but that would fuck the logging companies and the paper making companies, and thats just ONE example...i swear...our gov and country doesnt want to be efficient, we dont want to save our earth, all they want is MONEY, thats all it comes down to. and the DEA and cops would actually have to start doing their real jobs lol

 

[pitchforksandtorches]

if i consider it objectively, i dont know if making E's easier to get with less punishment is such a great idea. never thought i'd say it
i took heaps of them as a younger man, and had many great times, but the brain can only make so much serotonin (in my case at least) and summat has to give in the end. nowadays it's a rare thing that i do any chemicals, so negative effects and the drain on the brains natural resources is masively mitigated, but i know that well over 1000 tabs over about 10 years has left an impression.
now i'm lucky that i have the job i do - being a bit of a freak is considered by some to be an advantage where i work, but my body's temperature control is still unreliable (i attribute this directly to my E use), though it improves and my memory is utterly shot (well, i can blame all manner of shit for that lol). there were other consequences at the time, be they physical, mental or social, but these are a thing of the past now.
TBH tho, it was way more than worth it

and anyways, it's more fun when it's against the law, but then i never been caught..

 

[itzCESAR*]

Thats exactly it, it being illegal is TOO good for too many things, we SHOULD HAVE been using hemp for everything!!for all these years!why on earth are we still cutting trees wtf, but that would fuck the logging companies and the paper making companies, and thats just ONE example...i swear...our gov and country doesnt want to be efficient, we dont want to save our earth, all they want is MONEY, thats all it comes down to. and the DEA and cops would actually have to start doing their real jobs lol

Well if it ever does become legal, it won't take a genius to jump in on the new industrial movement, just another dude with some dough
EDIT: Honestly if it becomes legal, I'd probably still grow my own. Just more lol