SS420's new hydro grow - Blueberry, White Shark, ChemDog, OG kush

[mygirls]

hey samy i thought id show you the seed progress.they are growing wright along. just put them in the green house yesterday see if i can't get the to bounce up to 2ft in a couple weeks. when that happens its sex city baby.....lots of sexing......LOL

 

[simpsonsampson420]

ya then if you have a means of pulling in fresh air ya that's the best way to go.
im pretty sure i grasp the concept. although I AM A STONER.. hahahaha LOL

i wont actually have a fan pulling air in.. the bottom of the triangle that is built around the window will be open.. so it will only actually be 2 walls im building, that when pushed against the wall, will create a triangle.. and the window itself will be cracked open... the 2 walls of the triangle that i actually built will have a few 4 to 6 inch holes in it that will be used to passively bring in air... make sense?? the fans i am using will pull air in passively through the holes by pushing air through the lights and creating a negative pressure in the grow room... thus i dont have to worry about the "woosh" sound you get from air intake... ill draw it out a little and post a pic.. but more than likely tomorrow.. not so much in the mood to draw tonight... can barely open my eyes.. LOL

hey samy i thought id show you the seed progress.they are growing wright along. just put them in the green house yesterday see if i can't get the to bounce up to 2ft in a couple weeks. when that happens its sex city baby.....lots of sexing......LOL

seedlings look good!! cant wait to see them once they are fully grown up... are you gonna put them inside to flower or leave them outside??



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so a little update on the grow...

i lost another BB sprout today... pretty much my fault.. i didnt have the rockwool cube down far enough that it could absorb enough water during the flood stage... i actually noticed it was dieing the other day... and tried to lower it.. but it was too late.. the heat is playing a big part in it.. i cant believe the extra heat produced by the grow bulbs.. let alone how it will be when i get the 400's in.. but i did do some new exhaust work to try to tame the heat issue for now.. i ended up running the exhaust line from the fan in the veg room into the "dumping" closet i am setting up... so at least all the heat is being exhausted into there now.. and i set up the carbon fan to blow the hot air up into the attic... still dont have it ducted exactly like i want.. but its a start..

onto good news tho... all the clones and other seedlings are starting to come out of shock and show new growth.. although on the clones the growth was a little yellowish due to lack of nutes available... there really wasnt shit for nutes because i wanted to go easy and not burn them... so today i changed out the resevoir... i used 1/2 strength nutes this time... my EC before the nutes was around .4 to .6.. it was bouncing.. so the filter is starting to pull out more setiment.. i guess i will run that water through it slower and see if it helps more.. anyways, after adding the nutes to the 30 gallons of water i planned on using i ended up with an EC of 2.0 and a ph of 6.8.. i added 10 more gallons of water, which brought the EC down to 1.6 and then used PH down to get to 6.0.. i wanted a little higher EC since they girls are going to start eating through them... and it was nice to have the PH start out that low.. it makes me hopeful i wont need gallons of PH down...

temps hanging around 90F above the lights.. but i expect to see that drop with the exhaust work the way it is now.. and it should drop more once the HID lights are set up because the fan should run even more efficiently.. plus i have 3 fans and and the a/c going to keep circulation up until i can get the whole problem under control..

i am going to post some new pics here in a few days.. i pretty much am trying to get the new lights installed before taking pics.. unless over the next day or so HUGE growth takes place.. its just not worth postin the little change i can see, but you prolly wont...

 

[bgmike8]

i haqte to say it, but your starting to sound like me killing shit and heat probs. lol good luck if it helps you any, when i was battling heat, i learned the hard way to deal with it directly rather than assuming that cool air would passively come in from this source or that.

 

[Tomic]

So here u go again, And i will be following this one also. whats happening on with my plants is not so much, the only thing that i did u was 2 put all my 4 plants in a 80 liter container and i have a one 100 liter water tank that will water 10 liters every 3 days. and i hope all will be okay when i come back in 3 weeks I will be checking in some times from my trip.

Puff,puff bye

 

[mygirls]

im going to veg them outside for about 2 or 3 weeks then put them in the flower room.

 

[simpsonsampson420]

i haqte to say it, but your starting to sound like me killing shit and heat probs. lol good luck if it helps you any, when i was battling heat, i learned the hard way to deal with it directly rather than assuming that cool air would passively come in from this source or that.

well good news.. my plan worked.. pulling the heat from the room dropped the temp about 10 degrees... it wasnt so much doin it that was the thing.. i had planned on doing this all along.. it was just... i was trying to put it off until i got the 2 new lights and just do it all at once.. because now when i get the lights i am going to have to pull the newly ran duct down and re run it again.. which wont be a bad thing.. it will actually run more efficiently where it is going to be.. just dont like doing the same thing over.. but oh well.. its worth it! temps are down to 80F, and with all the air movement im not worried about it at all.. oh.. and the only passive air i plan to bring in is fresh air for the room... its not so much a way to deal with the heat.. if after i get the "triangle" built and the fresh air is coming in and heat becomes a problem then ill cut a hole in my wall and install the a/c in an interior wall of the grow room and let it exhaust into another room of my house so i can run it all year without suspicsion.. but i am sure i wont need it... it was just a matter of pulling the hot air out of the room.. which is something i didnt do at all... prior to moving the sir duct the air from the grow room was basically circulated within itself.. so i techinically never had any kind of exhaust set up anyways! so 90F in a room with no exhaust isnt bad... but now its better...

So here u go again, And i will be following this one also. whats happening on with my plants is not so much, the only thing that i did u was 2 put all my 4 plants in a 80 liter container and i have a one 100 liter water tank that will water 10 liters every 3 days. and i hope all will be okay when i come back in 3 weeks I will be checking in some times from my trip.

Puff,puff bye

yea.. i just cant stop! LOL im really pushing for this grow to be way above my last!! crossing my fingers as this is the first time i've ever used hydro.... should be interesting!

im going to veg them outside for about 2 or 3 weeks then put them in the flower room.

i thought thats what your plan was! i bet they easily put 2 ft on for you... they did that in about 4 weeks indoors.. so i imagine it will go faster for you outdoors... will get some nice tasty buds for sure!! i finally got to try a little of what i sat back for myself and let cure.. damn was it tasty!! almost had a eucaliptus after taste.. i felt like i just had a cough drop.. LOL it was fuckin good... very interesting.. and the high is amazing! enjoy brotha man!





quick update...

as i said temps dropped signifcantly... i dont have any kind of a/c in my house, except for the small window unit i use in the grow room, so im happy its staying around 80F right now.. i do plan on getting central air in the next year or so.. really i dont care to much.. but the girl friend is starting to bitch about the heat.. LOL so i plan on running a duct to the grow room to help out... im banking on the idea that once i get the ducting ran the way i actually want it ran i will get down to around 70.. just a matter of hooking up the new lights and getting everything set where it needs to be... should be in the next week for sure...

checked the PH this morning which stayed down nicely.. it did rise a little tho.. from 6.0 to 6.5.. smallest rise there has been.. also the EC dropped from 1.6/1.8 to a solid 1.6... which means the girls are starting to eat... obviously i looked at them and could see where new growth is happening.. so i plan on taking some pics probably by tuesday to get things started... then ill have the pics of the new setup later in the week.. so next week should be more interesting than this has been so far...

i must admit i do like the hydro system a lot more than soil so far... i have a little seed of doubt in me only because, again, this is my first hydro grow... so i dont know what to expect... but.. i have a good feeling about it.. and i am seeing growth.. so everything is on the up and up so far...

 

[bgmike8]

i feel so stupid because before i vented my lighti though i could pull air from 50 feet away through a six inch hose and that would cool things down. not a chance. i am so glad i vented the lights. glad your setup worked for you.

 

[simpsonsampson420]

so i used my mad art skills to draw a picture of how i am going to run my intake and exhaust... i feel as if this is the best option i have..

ok.. now i think i can explain it from the beginning since there is a visual...

the window is going to have a floor to ceiling triangle built around it... it will actually only be 2 sides of the triangle so the bottom side where the window is is open.. the window itself will be open to allow fresh air in... at the bottom of the 2 sides i will put a few 4 to 6 inch intake holes to allow fresh air to come through them passively.. this takes care of worrying about light leakage.. also the reason i am going with a triangle instead of a square is because i want to mount my oscilating fans in it and the angled wall will give me more efficiency with my fan as far as coverage goes... plus it will push the fresh air around as it comes into the room...

now the exhaust fan for the lights will also double as an exhaust fan for the room itself... on the veg side i will use 1 - 6" 400 cfm fan to pull air in from the room and push it across the lights which will then get exhausted into a sealed off closet... on the flower side i will either use a 12" 1100 cfm fan for all 4 lights or 2 - 8" 650 cfm fans per pair.. again they will pull in the air from the room and push the air across the lights and be exhausted into the same sealed closet... the air holes will allow fresh air from outside to easily be pulled in passively... and i can also open the door to the actual grow room to allow more air flow in if i wanted...

the sealed closet will contain a canfan with a 6" fan that will be ducted to the ceiling and exhausted into the attic...

so this solves all my troubles.. it gets me fresh air into the rooms without worrying about a fan just for that or having to loose efficiency for cooling my lights by having to Y-split off for a fresh air intake... it takes care of the intake noise and light leakage problems... and it takes care of the heat and exhaust issues... all i have to dois reinstall the poly wall when i get the window housing built and installed... and everything is back to where it should be!

hope the pic helps.. obviously i still dont have the 1000w HPS lamps yet... those wont be until the next grow.. but at least you can get an idea of how i want it set up.. and its not at all drawn to scale of course... just a sketch..

 

[simpsonsampson420]

i feel so stupid because before i vented my lighti though i could pull air from 50 feet away through a six inch hose and that would cool things down. not a chance. i am so glad i vented the lights. glad your setup worked for you.

the bitch part has been that the floros dont have a way to exhaust them.. you cant air cool them.. and usually they stay cool enough because i had an exhaust running outside .. that was in the last grow room.. and when i moved to the current one i, for whatever reason, didnt set up an exhaust out of the room... so it got warmer than i wanted.. but oh well.. the problem is fixed now... just wanted to wait to do all the renovations at once instead of in stupid stages like i am gonna have to now...

 

[Dank's]

the bitch part has been that the floros dont have a way to exhaust them.. you cant air cool them.. and usually they stay cool enough because i had an exhaust running outside .. that was in the last grow room.. and when i moved to the current one i, for whatever reason, didnt set up an exhaust out of the room... so it got warmer than i wanted.. but oh well.. the problem is fixed now... just wanted to wait to do all the renovations at once instead of in stupid stages like i am gonna have to now...

Subscribed, i missed all you guys the last week! Sampson hit me up bro gotta catch up and let u know some shit. reach me on my email not riu, Peace

 

[simpsonsampson420]

tomorrow is payday.. my money is coming in from what my partner got rid of from my last harvest.. so i plan on going out and buying the wood to build the box around the window.. i have decided to go with a box just for ease... so that will be installed in the next 2 days.. plus the new lights should be here in the next 3 to 4 days.. then ill reinstall in the dividing wall... so that should take care of exhasting and intake in the next week...

im hoping that the fresh air intake will supply enough fresh air that i dont need to mess with CO2 enrichment... i might have to.. i mean i have a tank that is almost full.. so i might as well dump it and use it...

i was contimplating earlier today about just turn the entire room im using to grow in into a flowering room and set up another small veg room up later.. i want to turn another room i have into a drying room eventually anyways.. and that wouldnt take up the entire room.. so why not split the room in half and use half as a drying room and the other half as a veg room?? i would only need a 1000w MH for it... just a thought tho.. it wouldnt be anytime soon... any thoughts??

anyways.. i guess itll just be a couple more slow days until i have a nice big update... thanks for hangin in there during the boring stuff guys!

 

[tilemaster]

how long till ur fully up with the walls and running?

 

[simpsonsampson420]

how long till ur fully up with the walls and running?

well i plan on having the wall up and be up and running this next week.. it wont be fully up and running since i still cant afford to get the 1000 watters and all that.. but i will have the veg room set for sure.. and ill use it one more time through a full cycle before having the flower room set up..

but this grow i will have the 4 floros plus 2 - 400w HPS lamps.. so it will be a HUGE improvement.. plus the hydro system...

the lumatek ballasts will run either HPS or MH, so since i have to run a full cycle this one last time on 1 side i want to use the HPS to get the most out of flowering... but after that i will switch to MH bulbs...

 

[tilemaster]

dude i finally switched my switchable 4 out for a mh..dude its so much brighter than my hps bulb that i wuz running in it..crazy huge..and bright.. im impressed..its lighting up that entire 6x6 area..im in ahh

 

[simpsonsampson420]

dude i finally switched my switchable 4 out for a mh..dude its so much brighter than my hps bulb that i wuz running in it..crazy huge..and bright.. im impressed..its lighting up that entire 6x6 area..im in ahh

i think it will be overkill for my veg room... well not overkill... but it will be a SHIT load of light!! and i know the MH will make it damn near blinding.. it will give me a total of about 5500 lumens per square feet when i switch to the MH.. but like i said, its more about the fact i have to use them to flower this one time so it just seems that using the HPS would be a better idea.. i cant imagine how bright your room is tho.. bet it damn near blinds you going in there!

 

[mygirls]

dude i finally switched my switchable 4 out for a mh..dude its so much brighter than my hps bulb that i wuz running in it..crazy huge..and bright.. im impressed..its lighting up that entire 6x6 area..im in ahh

yes the mhseems brighter but less lumens then the hps. thats whythe hps is better for flower the lumens..

 

[simpsonsampson420]

yes the mhseems brighter but less lumens then the hps. thats whythe hps is better for flower the lumens..

yeah.. it is crazy how much weaker MH is compared to HPS when dealing with lumens... but thats why i am using the HPS for now..

do you think a 6" passive intake hole is big enough for fresh air?? there will be 2 of them.. so thats 12" total of fresh air intake holes... i think it should be...

 

[mygirls]

i wouldgo with 8" hole this way you now your set.

 

[simpsonsampson420]

i wouldgo with 8" hole this way you now your set.

8" it is!


so growth is really starting to take off now.. all the clones are starting to have growth from where the leaves were cut off of them during cloning... the BB and WS sprouts are starting to take off... TM, how do the BB like their nutes?? on the heavier or lighter side?? MG, seems the WS loves her nutes anyway she can get them.. that seems to be my biggest concern right now.. is just nute needs... with growing 4 strains i cant taylor my feeding amounts to specific plants.. so i have to find that happy medium...

im hoping to get some wood and be able to get the window box up today.. if not today it'll be tomorrow.. i think this will have a HUGE impact on things... well just on how well they fair if temps get up high again.. i wont worry as much if there is a steady flow of fresh oxygen into the room... guess im just overly worrying right now because i havent used the system before.. its all new to me!

EC for the day is still at 1.6 and PH was at 6.5, but i lowered it to 5.9/6.0...

i still think i need to add some more nitrogen based nutes... the chemdogs have, where the new growth is, some heavy yellowing... just like a nitrogen def... although, of all the clones, these were the worst... most of the foilage was dead/dieing that was left on it.. so maybe its just trying to repair the damaged leaves?? and its concentrating more on that than growing new branches?? think i should just clip them off?? those are the only ones doing it tho.. the rest of the girls are nice and green.. maybe the chemdog just eat a TON of nitrogen.. guess i should do some reading.. on my next trip to check things out i will snap a couple pics and post them for comments.. it'll be easier to explain..

also when i went in the exhaust duct i had installed had fallen.. so i secured it better.. hope it doesnt come off again.. just need to get through a few more days till i can do it right...

 

[grow space]

best of luck man.