Advanced Nutrients' Secret.

[superdave5]

I wouldnt blame you for bad mouthing there comp. after all that. And there products arent a couple grand. I have a buddy still doing deep water culture (5 gallon buckets heavily aerated) and his yield from AN was amazing. He previously used Dutch Master which I actually have always liked. And for the record he only grows one strain so it wasnt because he switched strains. Thats what opened my eyes. Trust me Jberry Im like you in the sense that Im usually pretty leary on these things. Too many nute comp. with such high expectations and they always seem to fail you. But I saw the proof in the pooding with my own eyes I just personally have never used the stuff except for the bud blood. If you buy the whole line I believe its around 500-600 give or take depending on where you buy it from. Yes they have like 5 flower boosters, but you only need a couple not all 5. Even when using there master grower line they dont recommend using every single product they got.

 

[superdave5]

I feel like AN should be paying me for these post hahaha. Oh well Im over it, Im torn between house and garden soil formula, compared to AN's. But I will go with one next time. Maybe even do a journal and do both. Im getting rid of my quantum ballast for nextgen 600's (2) with XXXL reflectors and a huge tent. I will do 4 under one 600 and 4 under the other. One AN and one house and garden. It will be a pain in the ass but Id really like to get some more insight on this

 

[jberry]

i have a large drain to waste system that usually uses around 3000 gallons of water every 8 weeks.

so thats where the couple thousand dollar figure comes from.
i grow in coco, so this is what AN's feed chart says to use: (for grow and bloom):

1.) MONKEY JUICE A

2.) MONKEY JUICE B

3.) MONKEY JUICE BLOOM A

4.) MONKEY JUICE BLOOM B

5.) MOTHER EARTH TEA (BLOOM)

6.) MOTHER EARTH TEA (GROW)

7.) HUMIC ACID

8.) FULVIC ACID

9.) B-52

10.) BARRICADE

11.) CARBOLOAD POWDER

12.) SCORPION

13.) SENSIZYM

14.) PIRANHA

15.) TARANTULA

16.) VOODOO JUICE

17.) BUD BLOOD

18.) BIG BUD POWDER

19.) OVERDRIVE

20.) FINAL PHASE

OKAY SO THATS 20 PRODUCTS TOTAL I WILL HAVE TO BUY!! IT MAY END UP COSTING ME MORE THAN I THOUGHT.

CAN ANYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING ME 20 PRODUCTS IS CALLED FOR?

ANYHOW, JUST TO COMPARE, HERES WHAT CANNA'S FEED CHART SAYS YOU NEED FOR GROWING IN COCO : (GROW AND BLOOM)...

1.) COCO A

2.) COCO B

3.) RHIZOTONIC

4.) CANNAZYM

5.) PK 13/14

6.) CANNA BOOST ACCELERATOR

7.) CAL/MAG IS NEEDED AS WELL IF USING R/O, BUT IM SURE THE SAME GOES FOR A.N.

THATS IT! AND I THINK THEY ANY IMPORTANT INGREDIENT THAT A.N. HAS BUT COMBINED INTO 6 BOTTLES. THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN THE LEADER IN COCOPONICS FOR SOME YEARS NOW AND A.N. MONKEY JUICE IS PRETTY NEW.

BUT GIVE ME A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND I WILL DO MY OWN THE TRAY BY TRAY TEST.

I HONESTLY DO HOPE A.N. CAN DOUBLE MY YIELD, BUT ONLY TRUTH AND TIME WILL TELL.

IM GUNNA GO CHECK IN TO THAT MONEY BACK DEAL, 2 MAKE SURE IM COVERED. IF I AM THAN ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!

 

[Ohsogreen]

Does AN suck..? No. I used it for years when I did chem / hydro. Is their stuff the absolute bomb...? No, but being fair, it is very good stuff if you do chem / hydro.
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I'm all about quality myself, so it's only Organics & only Soil for me. The stuff I whip up myself, using bat guano's, bunny poop...etc...works great and is cheap.
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When I'm feeling lazy about making up some ferts, I pour Blue Mountain Organics from the bottle. Very well made and not pricey. They don't offer million dollar challenges, make outrageous claims or do flashy advertising. Their stuff speaks for itself.
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Their Super Plant Tonic, has all the other root zone inoculants beat hands down IMHO. Plus, at under $ 15 shipped, the others don't compare. I noticed GH split their SubCulture into two parts and no longer sell it in 1 oz pouches. Now to get the same results, you have to buy the B & the M in 4 oz tubs...Greedy.... Who wants to spend $ 70 to $ 80 for some beneficial bacteria & fungi.... Not me.....
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That last word " Greedy " seems to be the motivation for all these multi-part add-ins. I notice some companies sell half a dozen different bloom boosters. Why ? Greed.......
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OK, that's just my two cents..... AN is not garbage, nor is it the bomb..IMHO......
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Having used it, I can say from experience......not guessing or speculating.......
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Keep it Real.....Organic.... and save some dough on your grow......
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[jberry]

Does AN suck..? No. I used it for years when I did chem / hydro. Is their stuff the absolute bomb...? No, but being fair, it is very good stuff if you do chem / hydro.
.
I'm all about quality myself, so it's only Organics & only Soil for me. The stuff I whip up myself, using bat guano's, bunny poop...etc...works great and is cheap.
.
When I'm feeling lazy about making up some ferts, I pour Blue Mountain Organics from the bottle. Very well made and not pricey. They don't offer million dollar challenges, make outrageous claims or do flashy advertising. Their stuff speaks for itself.
.
Their Super Plant Tonic, has all the other root zone inoculants beat hands down IMHO. Plus, at under $ 15 shipped, the others don't compare. I noticed GH split their SubCulture into two parts and no longer sell it in 1 oz pouches. Now to get the same results, you have to buy the B & the M in 4 oz tubs...Greedy.... Who wants to spend $ 70 to $ 80 for some beneficial bacteria & fungi.... Not me.....
.
That last word " Greedy " seems to be the motivation for all these multi-part add-ins. I notice some companies sell half a dozen different bloom boosters. Why ? Greed.......
.
OK, that's just my two cents..... AN is not garbage, nor is it the bomb..IMHO......
.
Having used it, I can say from experience......not guessing or speculating.......
.
Keep it Real.....Organic.... and save some dough on your grow......
.
.

wut up ohsogreen, is this the same ohsogreen i was talking to about living near canna on another site the other day?

 

[jberry]

nevermind... im a idiot.

my bad.

 

[jberry]

i have a large drain to waste system that usually uses around 3000 gallons of water every 8 weeks.

So thats where the couple thousand dollar figure comes from.
I grow in coco, so this is what an's feed chart says to use: (for grow and bloom):

1.) monkey juice a

2.) monkey juice b

3.) monkey juice bloom a

4.) monkey juice bloom b

5.) mother earth tea (bloom)

6.) mother earth tea (grow)

7.) humic acid

8.) fulvic acid

9.) b-52

10.) barricade

11.) carboload powder

12.) scorpion

13.) sensizym

14.) piranha

15.) tarantula

16.) voodoo juice

17.) bud blood

18.) big bud powder

19.) overdrive

20.) final phase

okay so thats 20 products total i will have to buy!! It may end up costing me more than i thought.

Can anyone feel comfortable telling me 20 products is called for?

Anyhow, just to compare, heres what canna's feed chart says you need for growing in coco : (grow and bloom)...

1.) coco a

2.) coco b

3.) rhizotonic

4.) cannazym

5.) pk 13/14

6.) canna boost accelerator

7.) cal/mag is needed as well if using r/o, but im sure the same goes for a.n.

Thats it! And i think they any important ingredient that a.n. Has but combined into 6 bottles. They also have been the leader in cocoponics for some years now and a.n. Monkey juice is pretty new.

But give me a couple of months and i will do my own the tray by tray test.

I honestly do hope a.n. Can double my yield, but only truth and time will tell.

Im gunna go check in to that money back deal, 2 make sure im covered. If i am than its on like donkey kong!

update:
Sorry guys, its not gunna happen ...
I have 5 hydro shops in my area, and none of them will honor advanced nutrients "money back" deal. They said i could try to send the receipts and empty bottles directly to a.n., but they didnt think that i would ever see any money from them.
They said they werent going to honor and back a guarantee that they didnt think was reasonable.
The owner also said " i'm soo sick of a.n. And all their b.s., they cross the line with their claims"
they also laughed and told me "no way a.n. Could beat canna" when i told them i was going to do my own challenge.

So that's that, im not gunna spend my $ on a.n. Unless i find a way to get paid back if they end up being a scam.

-sucks, cuz i was actualy excited... But my bubble has been burst lol

 

[tintala]

Has anybody really thought of where nutrients and the chemicals to make the nutrients come from? the first and foremost fertilizer company was DOW/ DUPONT and MONSANTO. Gh used to derive their chemicals from DUPONT. I know this as I grew up farming DUPONT was the only fertilizer we got. AN nutrients are derived from natural sources and not some monopolized conglomerate that made cannabis illegal in the first place. Nutrients manufacters owe us consumers an apology for neglecting us from the beginning. This is where BIG MIKE is coming from. They shun the very clientel that make them $$. WHo buys nutrients but a cannabis grower. Who dedicates his company to medical cannabis research, AN. Who will sell AN with no reprecussions coz the good ole boys told em not to say cannabis. If not a grow store then a dispensary. That;s where the others will miss out .. LOL the ever growing medical marijuana industry. Also when using AN, one does not use ALL OF THE DAMN bottle at the same DAMN TIME!. For ex: piranah and tarantulal are only used for the 1st 2 wks of flwr, same as voodoo.
AN is superior for medical cannabis, if you aint growing for meds then it doesn't matter use cow manure.

AN is challenging the "superiors" because of the negligence they have shown toward cannabis growers with a 'don't ask don't tell" policy in grow stores, but who the fuck is bying the damn nutes, cannabis growers. Anyway as always theres more than meets the eye with the so called "CONSPIRACY" with the nutrients industry and BIG MIKE isn't taking the dictatorship crap from the others.

 

[jberry]

with AN you dont use the whole bottle all at once ??!... but thats what i usually do... i just open the bottle and pour a little over the top of each plant until its gone... is that bad?

 

[phatlip]

I Love advanced... their organics are great!! i am with Dr High! Can u give us some sources where u got ur info!!

and Jberry ya thats bad! u need to make a tea bro... that shit is way to strong to add directly to the plant!!

However as far as the warranty issue... i have a grow shop in town that isnt gonna carry AN anymore cuz they fukced them on some returns and would refund money!! so AN is great, just dont send it back cuz u wont get shit!

 

[jberry]

daaang boy! iced tea u say? im gunna go get me some liptons right now, im gunna add a little lemon and buncha sugar! dang, i bet its gunna make my buds soo chronic (just like dr. dre!) thanks 4 the tip! maybe i'll go with snapple? idk i havent decided yet.

i heard them A.N. boys were gettin everyone from behind with out even givin'em the reach around!! and that aint rite.

 

[phatlip]

ha Ha jberry u are just not smart!

 

[jberry]

oh come on phatlip, i made tea!!!! just like you told me!

and im not sure if your right about that, not using the whole bottle all at once thing.
i think maybe your are suppose to?
i got a jar of that piranha stuff and dumped over the top of my plants and it worked okay i guess.

it's just a matter of time b4 i'm growing for snoop double d o g!!! or maybe dr. dre, i havent decided yet.
who knows maybe i'll be a master tea brewer for the government?!!!!!!

...yea buddy!!

 

[tSunami13]

I Have recently been informed that one of the largest "organic" fertalizer companies aren't actually being honest with you. I've been hearing that they've been making basicly Chemical based nutrients and calling them 100% organic. This is absolute bull. It's one thing to sell nutes that have chemicals in it but to lie to your customers and say that it's "All Organic", shameful. I never have and never will use advanced nutrients. Botanicare or Earth Juice, baby. Those give real results. I have also heard that Advanced nutrients will leave lots of things out of the mix when creating they're veg and bloom nutes so that you are forced to buy they're other products due to nutrient deficiencies. It's a scam. I don't Intend on writing this to offend anyone. if you use Advanced nutrients and are satisfied, that's fine. I'm just trying to let people know that they aren't really what they say they are.

Be aware, it never hurts to study up and get a second opinion.

Hey noob, check out http://aapfco.org/index.html Sorry to burst your bubble but these nutes are regulated and tested by government agency's for content. Ever wonder why stuff is no longer on the shelf, uh it has been banned from sale and or importation into the US. Here's a secret shhhh, don't tell anyone, you can fill your car's "gas" tank up with water instead of gas and it will run just fine. Gas is just a marketing scam, water works better. lmao rumors.

 

[tSunami13]

Oh and also study up on what organic is! I think your getting confused with the OMRI listing which is something different then plain organic!

 

[tSunami13]

daaang boy! iced tea u say? im gunna go get me some liptons right now, im gunna add a little lemon and buncha sugar! dang, i bet its gunna make my buds soo chronic (just like dr. dre!) thanks 4 the tip! maybe i'll go with snapple? idk i havent decided yet.

i heard them A.N. boys were gettin everyone from behind with out even givin'em the reach around!! and that aint rite.

I heard them canna girls were jealous of big buds! c'mon kids do some research! Learn something besides listening to what so and so says. Ok so you like your nutes but you don't even know a damn thing about them. So how can you even have a clue about anything else. If you have read your labels you would see the regulatory agency website. Learn something new everyday don't you? Why is it everything is so and so said this so and so said that and it is all about AN? Sounds like a bunch of jealous little school girls. I don't know if your upset about the price, the ads, the big buds, or what but why do you wanna hate on something you have absolutely no clue on???? Speak from experience!

 

[jberry]

I heard them canna girls were jealous of big buds! c'mon kids do some research! Learn something besides listening to what so and so says. Ok so you like your nutes but you don't even know a damn thing about them. So how can you even have a clue about anything else. If you have read your labels you would see the regulatory agency website. Learn something new everyday don't you? Why is it everything is so and so said this so and so said that and it is all about AN? Sounds like a bunch of jealous little school girls. I don't know if your upset about the price, the ads, the big buds, or what but why do you wanna hate on something you have absolutely no clue on???? Speak from experience!

hey moron, i told you not to talk to me anymore!!!!

your an complete idiot... you just got done telling me on another thread that you wouldnt ever use Botinicare or GH, but look at this recent quote i found that you wrote saying bo pro is good and that you use them!!!!!!

get the fuck outa here buddy!!

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[tSunami13]

hey moron, i told you not to talk to me anymore!!!!

your an complete idiot... you just got done telling me on another thread that you wouldnt ever use Botinicare or GH, but look at this recent quote i found that you wrote saying bo pro is good and that you use them!!!!!!

get the fuck outa here buddy!!

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hey kiddie, I have some experience. But its not hearing this from so and so and so and so and taking it from behind. I have used multiple products. Which is more then you! I am not hopping on some band wagon like you going with what canna advertises as being 1. whatever. you keep listening to so and so and hop on the 1 bandwagon all you want. I am not jumping around bashing stuff I have no clue about!!! Speak from experience son!

 

[jberry]

in one thread you say you wouldnt use some megacorp brand like Botinacare and its all about A.N.
and in the next thread you say that you use botinicare and that they are good.
= your an idiot.

and dont call son.

p.s.- its pretty obvious you are on the biggest bandwagon there is and cant decide what u like...

two days ago is when u said u Quote: ...
"I'm using bo pro. Some good nutes."

and today, u told me that u wouldnt use Botanicare!!!
sounds like you change your mind every two days trying to find what u like.
good luck mr. experienced guy thats growing a couple of plants in a little tent.

 

[phatlip]

oh come on phatlip, i made tea!!!! just like you told me!

and im not sure if your right about that, not using the whole bottle all at once thing.
i think maybe your are suppose to?
i got a jar of that piranha stuff and dumped over the top of my plants and it worked okay i guess.

it's just a matter of time b4 i'm growing for snoop double d o g!!! or maybe dr. dre, i havent decided yet.
who knows maybe i'll be a master tea brewer for the government?!!!!!!

...yea buddy!!

Did u really? dude im telling u that is way too strong and why would u dump a powder on ur plant? i dont know man if it works for u then keep on keepin on! but its abad idea... plus a massive waste of money!