DaveCoulier
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Toms was supposed to have already been released, but I read the germ rate isn't quite up to snuff, so he's delaying the release a bit. Plenty of people anxiously awaiting them, so I definitely better not pass on it.
Lollipopping
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Uncle Ben
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Got a link for a supplier?
DaveCoulier
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Supposed to be released to Seedbay and Seed Botique.
Heres a link where he discusses it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=134291
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yeah i could only get about 6 pages into this thread before i had to say this "Uncle Ben you really are an asshole i too have done this technique on a side by side grow with plants from the same mother and the pruned one yeilded 35% more i did 4 sets and all four showed increased yield as a result of lollipop them. I may not have a lot of posts on this site but that in no way makes me new to growing. This method is also called a Sea of Green Method and is recommended my MOST if not ALL breeders in Amsterdam so much so that when they give there projected yeilds for there strains the do it my grams per square meter(useing the sog methoid). We all can learn from new methods and infromation you dont have to just shoot it down because its not the way you grow the way you grow is great for outside but if your trying to maximize your electricity use SOG is the only way to go or SCROG.
To the starter of this thread im sorry this old man who is apperitly to set in his ways to learn is shooting you down
it is a good method i usealy trim about a week to five days in flowering. also when i put them in to flowering i us a bushmaster supplement and keep the lights off for 36 hrs after i use it( this forces the plants to muture faster and cuts down on any unwanted vertical growth. Be careful when useing the bushmaster tho ive seen it stop a plants vertical growth in its tracks
To the starter of this thread im sorry this old man who is apperitly to set in his ways to learn is shooting you down
it is a good method i usealy trim about a week to five days in flowering. also when i put them in to flowering i us a bushmaster supplement and keep the lights off for 36 hrs after i use it( this forces the plants to muture faster and cuts down on any unwanted vertical growth. Be careful when useing the bushmaster tho ive seen it stop a plants vertical growth in its tracks
stinkbudd1
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ok this must be put to rest finally i stumbled upon this thread and it became so interesting that i had to turn desperate housewives off to read this whole thing and im still confused lots of great points and personal perceptions on how best to grow one thing people fail to mention when talking about the growers of yesteryear is that with the evolution of nutes and lights and temp control and co2 etc etc growing has become an art form and it is debateable to say just what is trully neccesssary for top quality bud production..things change with time but we cant knock another for staying put with 16 in black jack as to 17 for others its simply a preference all your own ive read threads from growers of all ages that use both methods to there liking..so in saying this i'll close by saying each should have a lil respect for the other its much more fun when we can disagree with a smile..anyway check out my only pic of my lollipoped sugar coated beauty see the main cola and all the other lower ones not bad heh...its a new year lets be possitve for a change @ RIU !! peace pot prosperity...see photo below... click on attatched images to see my baby.
stinkbudd1
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thanks you all had to lend my expertise to the matter..love debates hate time consuming arguing... when the attention gets diverted from the true substance at the points to be made... PPP
Uncle Ben
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Nice job! Must have gone at least a pound lol.
stinkbudd1
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hey thanks UB ive read and applied many of your techniques over the last 3-4 months not everyone is going to accept your way of doing things but keep going for those that do..i dont use it all but id hate to have not had you here when i did need you...Peace pot prosperity...
firelane
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Uncle Ben do you think you could grow more quality marijuana in one year using your technique of fully vegging plants, than all of these new growers who use sea of green method and get smaller harvests more often? Assuming you both have equal growing space, lighting, and overall growing skills. Are you against the Sea of Green method, or just against lollipopping during Sea of Green? If money is the only factor, is your method still superior?
terrorizer805
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Lol Classic, Love that Loli
Uncle Ben
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I do botany, and leave the gimmicks for others to sort it out.
Decided to check on this thread to see if any progress had been made on the debate, and shockingly enough, it seems there hasn't.I do botany, and leave the gimmicks for others to sort it out.
UB, I have a couple of quick questions for ya, if you don't mind........
1) Have you ever grown SOG with little to no veg time? It seems as though all of your pics are of larger plants that were clearly vegged for a decent amount of time........
2) If "no", then how can you claim to be an authority on a different growing style that you've never tried? Now before this is dismissed with a "I've been growing for 40 years and I practice botany, not gimmicks", can you argue that different systems need different "tweaks"?
3) If you have grown SOG, and have not lollipopped (which is ludicrous if doing anything resembling 2 plants/sf or more), how did you like the lower nugs? Whereas on your four foot bushes the lower nugs can be and often are worthwhile, on a 1.5' plant, those buds are not worth the time it would take to trim them (which brings me to my next point).
4) Would you agree that removing budsites (not fan leaves, which I never remove, but simply budsites) on the lower part of the plant increases production to the top of the plant? I'm not even talking about hormones, simply the plant and its energy, and less places to focus it.
5) Assuming you agree with "4", can you not see how growers looking to maximize their production of grade "A" buds would (possibly) sacrifice some overall yield to increase the percentage of grade "A" buds?
I mean, the flamers who call you a senile old fool get me riled up, but you are rather smug about what you (think you) know, so perhaps my questions above would help you see it from "our" (and I hate to speak for others, but it seems as though the majority of people on this thread are in agreement with me) point of view, and you could recognize that there's more then one way to skin a cat.
BTW UB, can you point to one respected grower who grows SOG without lollipopping? Just one would be great..............and I respect that you've been growing for a long time, but with the advent of the Internet, it's become more and more clear that most of what was (thought to be) known about growing weed before the 90s was wrong in one way or another, sooooooo..............
DaveCoulier
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I found a link to a SOG grow where a guy does 6 plants per square foot without lollipopping. Its all about finding the right strain and right pheno, of which Mandala has more than a few. Their hashberry is a great candidate for sog as well.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=104404
masterkushforever
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great advise guys it works well
Dr. VonDank
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I have to give credit to any grower that has 50 plus years of growing under his belt. That a whole hell of a lot of blood sweat and soil. I've been at it going on 26 years and that seems like a while. God bless you Uncle Ben. I agree with him on keeping the plants green through flowering but I have completed many a grows using the LOLLIPOP method( I call those ladies---"STRIPPERS") LOL. I have maintained an avg of .75 to 1.25 grams/watt( All the photo's were grown and lollipop-ed under---VonDanks-----Godzilla/Orange Krush/Burple/ Blue dream haze in the seed and strain thread. Each bud AVG .28grams dry(also photos of weight on scale in there somewhere). I trim 1/3 from the bottom up and leave all the feeder leaves on. Any branch that is 1" or bigger on day 21 of flowering gets the cut. What I really love about the STRIPPERS is the ease of trimming and uniformity of drying and curing. It cuts the trimming time by about 75%. Best of grows in the New Year to Uncle Ben and all of you RIU growers(except fattman---lol)...
Uncle Ben
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Rubbish. There's now more gimmicks and snake oils being sold than in the 70's, and accordingly more suckers are allowing themselves to be manipulated by forum parrots, vendors, and wannabe geeks who think they have come up "with a better way." I'm still waiting on blueybong and the other lollipoppers to show me what they got.
In theory, maybe. In the real world, no. This isn't an apple or peach tree. RIU has its share of very young theorists, who are only here to chat and dream and have never grown before. I just love it when I spend alot of time in a PM only to find the guy is only asking, has never grown before.
There's that forum buzzword again, "energy". Exactly what "energy" are you talking about?
For the record, my plants grow so fast that by 3.5 weeks from popping the soil's surface (sometimes sooner), I have to go 12/12 due to height restrictions. Even then they finish as heavy yielding trees, not short little SOGgers with a half ounce of dried bud per plant, witness photos 2-5. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html
I do SOB. (sea of bush) The fact that they will be up to 20" across in 3 weeks from germ is the norm with me, not the exception. If one is having problems getting nice fat colas, it sure as hell isn't because they didn't "lollipop."
UB
Well I'm not going to argue with you or antagonize you, but it seems as though you didn't answer any of my questions.
You deflected and mentioned "SOG" in your "answer", but didn't answer the question(s).
No offense, sir, but I only grow from seed when looking for new genetics and a mama to clone off of - my flowering is strictly 4/sf SOGs, which maximize my personal efficiency.
And even though you removed it in your edit, I will repeat that I don't remove fan leaves, I remove budsites - accordingly, I believe I leave all of the plant's "energy centers" (forget what the exact phrase was that you used) and just leave them less budsites to focus their energy on.
I've never run a strict and controlled scientific test to determine what produces the absolute most dried weight, but I have run side by side comparisons, and IMO, the lollipopped plants give me more bang for my buck.