BluffinCali
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Good idea, I'll just get em going now and veg for 10wks, hopefully they will all show...never planted that big of plant outdoors...should be real big this fall...Thanks for the help...take care
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simpsonsampson420
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they will definitely show after 10 weeks... just make sure you have enough light to veg them correctly.. and big enough pots and space...
haha555
Member
ya dude it the shit like i have beed use it on all kinds of thing you should get wholesome organic molasses or any molasses that is unsulphured and blackstrap dont use any fake types. like say 50ml of molasses and 50ml of em to 1 l of watter make sure water is warm
here the steps
1. molasses 50ml
2. warm water to with molasses shake till molasses is mix well with water (should not have molasses on sides of bottle)
3. em-1 50 ml mix well with molasses mix
4. put somewhere warm or in your oven (not on) just turn on light
now when this is all done all you have to do is let it sit the longer the better it can be done in a week but tou will have to look at it cuz it makes gas so every day take it out open the cap let gas put cap back on shake put back in
p.s dont use glass bottle
UNICRONLIVES
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There is no substitute for experience so evrybody grab a bag of seeds and start some experiments!!! I did! And ill never forget it!! Its called weed for a few reasons!!
showhard2handle
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Yo sampson, I believe I have finally decided on what will hopefully be my continuous deal.
As opposed to pullin clippings during flower as u suggested to avoid havin to keep moms. I have decided to just get x1 hydrofarm complete & keep x2 of the most promising, strongest ladies in there for clones. I have just enough space, as well as a small"ghetto" chandelier that will allow me to get approx. 100watts of CFL light on to each mommy, that should be sufficient to keep them going, do you agree?
Ok, so x2 diff. mom strains in h20 farm.
I was gonna half to wait to start photobeans until 4 weeks before autos will be complete (3 weeks from now), as you advised that the 3" cubes will only hold 'em for 3-4 weeks tops.
OG idea, was to prop. ALL photo beans, pick 2 best for moms, was originally gonna take the remaining that are the most promising, put them into 3" cubes & then place into v-drip & SOG 'em (think it's startin to grow on me, seems failry simple, specially for my newbness, also could not have been a better fit for the tent, like they were fukin made for each other).
The really only & main difference, (which is totally hypothetical to me, and hope you can advise if it will fail or not). Is to start photo beans eariler (in next week or 2, feel like I'm wastin time gettin next run ready). I'll still start 'em in the 3" cubes, but once roots are startin to spill out the cubes, I'll plop 'em into the 4" netted pots i just ordered (see attachment), fill bottom of net pots w/ hydroton, put cube w/ roots spillin out on top o' grow rocks, & keep driper & stake goin in drip tray above tent, so that I can veg the seedlings from seed for a month, (when autos finish, they will have had an extra month to veg. in net pots, & then simply re-load the v-drip with the dozen net pots & ladies that have a month extra to veg. So I supppose that isn't a SOG anymore since they will veg for sometime, kinda semi-sog. Not sure what to call it, you tell me. Or more importanatly, does that sound feasible?
Obviously, the more veg. time, the more my eventual yield will be, correct?
Any apprx. guesses @ yields for SOG straight from seeds, as opposed to an extra month of veg. time b-4 shiftin to 12/12.
From there, obviously, I can grab whatever clones need from the moms & voila (hopefully), keep runnin them into rooters, cubes, then ready for v-drip from there. Anything you think won't work, please lemme know, or anything you feel might be more efficient, etc. pul-eaze feel free to chime in & be candid. Already posses everything I need save the h20 farm. That's an easy 2-3 day fix though.
Ready to go all in with the small space i've got, so this is another case of what would sampson do??
thx in advance & for readin all that homes!
As opposed to pullin clippings during flower as u suggested to avoid havin to keep moms. I have decided to just get x1 hydrofarm complete & keep x2 of the most promising, strongest ladies in there for clones. I have just enough space, as well as a small"ghetto" chandelier that will allow me to get approx. 100watts of CFL light on to each mommy, that should be sufficient to keep them going, do you agree?
Ok, so x2 diff. mom strains in h20 farm.
I was gonna half to wait to start photobeans until 4 weeks before autos will be complete (3 weeks from now), as you advised that the 3" cubes will only hold 'em for 3-4 weeks tops.
OG idea, was to prop. ALL photo beans, pick 2 best for moms, was originally gonna take the remaining that are the most promising, put them into 3" cubes & then place into v-drip & SOG 'em (think it's startin to grow on me, seems failry simple, specially for my newbness, also could not have been a better fit for the tent, like they were fukin made for each other).
The really only & main difference, (which is totally hypothetical to me, and hope you can advise if it will fail or not). Is to start photo beans eariler (in next week or 2, feel like I'm wastin time gettin next run ready). I'll still start 'em in the 3" cubes, but once roots are startin to spill out the cubes, I'll plop 'em into the 4" netted pots i just ordered (see attachment), fill bottom of net pots w/ hydroton, put cube w/ roots spillin out on top o' grow rocks, & keep driper & stake goin in drip tray above tent, so that I can veg the seedlings from seed for a month, (when autos finish, they will have had an extra month to veg. in net pots, & then simply re-load the v-drip with the dozen net pots & ladies that have a month extra to veg. So I supppose that isn't a SOG anymore since they will veg for sometime, kinda semi-sog. Not sure what to call it, you tell me. Or more importanatly, does that sound feasible?
Obviously, the more veg. time, the more my eventual yield will be, correct?
Any apprx. guesses @ yields for SOG straight from seeds, as opposed to an extra month of veg. time b-4 shiftin to 12/12.
From there, obviously, I can grab whatever clones need from the moms & voila (hopefully), keep runnin them into rooters, cubes, then ready for v-drip from there. Anything you think won't work, please lemme know, or anything you feel might be more efficient, etc. pul-eaze feel free to chime in & be candid. Already posses everything I need save the h20 farm. That's an easy 2-3 day fix though.
Ready to go all in with the small space i've got, so this is another case of what would sampson do??
thx in advance & for readin all that homes!
bobbychuck67
Member
Sampson,
Remember me? You helped me out a lot a few months back. I've been trying to get caugh up on the thread reading before jumping in again. Then I kept reading your pleas for more participation and felt kinda bad. Sorry to let you down man. You definately deserve all our support for all that you are doing for us.
So anyway, that first grow was totally successful! Not super big buds and not particularly strong smoke, but enough to reward my newbie efforts for sure! Thanks in large part to your help. My setup was pretty good but now of course I'm improving it. Had two 400w lamps with MH and HPS bulbs for each. Also a four inch in line fan with carbon filter to control heat pulling from the whole room to the outside.
My biggest problems were controlling plant height and pH of the soil. Plants grew into lights so I had to keep them high up so didn't get good penetration. This grow is going much better. I'm lowering lights on chains to within about six inches and FIMing each plant after they have a couple sets of healthy leaves. With more light intensity and propper temps the girls are short and bushy with an incredible amount of tigh together nodes! When they get larger I'll try LST (pinching technique) to fill them out. Still having soil pH problems though. I'll get to that in my next post. Guess I didn't ask any new questions, but I do have a lot for you. Thanks again for now.
Remember me? You helped me out a lot a few months back. I've been trying to get caugh up on the thread reading before jumping in again. Then I kept reading your pleas for more participation and felt kinda bad. Sorry to let you down man. You definately deserve all our support for all that you are doing for us.
So anyway, that first grow was totally successful! Not super big buds and not particularly strong smoke, but enough to reward my newbie efforts for sure! Thanks in large part to your help. My setup was pretty good but now of course I'm improving it. Had two 400w lamps with MH and HPS bulbs for each. Also a four inch in line fan with carbon filter to control heat pulling from the whole room to the outside.
My biggest problems were controlling plant height and pH of the soil. Plants grew into lights so I had to keep them high up so didn't get good penetration. This grow is going much better. I'm lowering lights on chains to within about six inches and FIMing each plant after they have a couple sets of healthy leaves. With more light intensity and propper temps the girls are short and bushy with an incredible amount of tigh together nodes! When they get larger I'll try LST (pinching technique) to fill them out. Still having soil pH problems though. I'll get to that in my next post. Guess I didn't ask any new questions, but I do have a lot for you. Thanks again for now.
haha555
Member
well you need the mother culture of em-1(EM1® Microbial Inoculant) that they sell in bottles but ya you get the point there are many ways to use em-1 like
EM1® BOKASHI (EM1® fermented organic matters)
"Bokashi" is a Japanese word which means "Fermented organic matter". It is made by fermenting organic matter (rice bran, oil cake, fish meal etc.) with EM1®. EM1® Bokashi is normally found as a powder or as granules. EM1® Bokashi has been used by Japanese farmers as traditional soil amendments to increase the microbial diversity of soils and supply nutrients to crops. Traditionally Bokashi has been made by fermenting organic matter such as rice bran by soil from forests or mountains, which contain various microorganisms.
However, EM1® Bokashi is fermented organic matter using EM1® instead of forest or mountain soil. Thus, EM1® Bokashi is an important additive to increase beneficial microorganisms in the soil. (Details on the preparation of EM1® Bokashi is discussed later.)
EM5 (EM1® fermented solutions)
It is used to spray the plant to suppress pathogens and keep away insect pests. (Details of EM5 preparation is discussed later
EM1® Fermented Plant Extract (EM-F.P.E.)
if you make this thing and use them you will get a high yielding gorw
bobbychuck67
Member
Attaching some pics of the current grow. Still in veg stage. I have the plants in two groups. Pic #1 is under a 1000w MH set up high for now untill plants adjust. Pic #2 is under a 400w MH with light about 6 inches above plants (cant really see the lights in either one) Will send closeups of some problem plants later. Sorry about the horizontal bands in the picture. It's some sort of interference pattern. Must be the light frequency plus something else. Anyway, how's the newbie doing so far?
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simpsonsampson420
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sorry for being awol.... had to do some harvesting... took 65+ man hours with 2 people... fun times....
my biggest fear is that you'll run out of space in the flower room with 1 month vegged girls... your set up is ideal for smaller plants... autos and clones from 12/12 with a small veg time... but its tight for longer vegged plants.. if they fight over space in the flower room they lose some of their yield potential... i suppose i would go this way if you wanted....
pop you photos and hold the moms you want for later... let them veg.. and start flowering the others asap.. i'd wait a while still to start them just to make sure you have the space.. even if its just 2 weeks... but then you can have strong moms plus you will have somewhat a small bumper crop as the moms veg.. just remember the moms will veg for 2 months basically while the other photos are flowering.. so you need to make sure the moms have the space...
the only benefit to sticking with taking the cuttings in flowering is this... if you start all the photos and veg them out a week or two and then flower, wait a while and see which look best and yield most, you can be assured you are cloning the best of the best... veg and flower can often hold different stories.. just cause it looks great in veg doesnt always mean it will be the best yielder... then you can take cuttings and let them revert and veg out a couple weeks before flipping them over... plus keep a couple back for your mothers... make sense??
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here is my suggestion for plant height... super crop... super crop the shit out of them throughout veg.. you'll get short and bushier plants.. and many many tops that will end up as fat as the center cola... not that what you are doing is bad at all.. but super cropping will stunt vertical growth more than FIM'ing will and will also give you much stronger and thicker branches all around... if you do want to LST instead tho you may want to start soon.. the more you can do in veg the better off the flowering will go..
as for ph, is your problem going up or going down??
very true... if you want to do some experimenting use bag seeds to try.. then good seeds to execute... but mj is a forgiving plant.. as long as you show it love!
holding the moms is a good idea if you have the space.. that should be enough light.. if you need to add some can you??
my biggest fear is that you'll run out of space in the flower room with 1 month vegged girls... your set up is ideal for smaller plants... autos and clones from 12/12 with a small veg time... but its tight for longer vegged plants.. if they fight over space in the flower room they lose some of their yield potential... i suppose i would go this way if you wanted....
pop you photos and hold the moms you want for later... let them veg.. and start flowering the others asap.. i'd wait a while still to start them just to make sure you have the space.. even if its just 2 weeks... but then you can have strong moms plus you will have somewhat a small bumper crop as the moms veg.. just remember the moms will veg for 2 months basically while the other photos are flowering.. so you need to make sure the moms have the space...
the only benefit to sticking with taking the cuttings in flowering is this... if you start all the photos and veg them out a week or two and then flower, wait a while and see which look best and yield most, you can be assured you are cloning the best of the best... veg and flower can often hold different stories.. just cause it looks great in veg doesnt always mean it will be the best yielder... then you can take cuttings and let them revert and veg out a couple weeks before flipping them over... plus keep a couple back for your mothers... make sense??
they look great bro.. very nice.. :Attaching some pics of the current grow. Still in veg stage. I have the plants in two groups. Pic #1 is under a 1000w MH set up high for now untill plants adjust. Pic #2 is under a 400w MH with light about 6 inches above plants (cant really see the lights in either one) Will send closeups of some problem plants later. Sorry about the horizontal bands in the picture. It's some sort of interference pattern. Must be the light frequency plus something else. Anyway, how's the newbie doing so far?
:here is my suggestion for plant height... super crop... super crop the shit out of them throughout veg.. you'll get short and bushier plants.. and many many tops that will end up as fat as the center cola... not that what you are doing is bad at all.. but super cropping will stunt vertical growth more than FIM'ing will and will also give you much stronger and thicker branches all around... if you do want to LST instead tho you may want to start soon.. the more you can do in veg the better off the flowering will go..
as for ph, is your problem going up or going down??
will do
doowmd
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wat up simpsonsampson420, quick little question for ya...last year i started mine out on 16 on/8 off, then switched to 12/12 to sex.....after i finished sexing (from various bagseed, so some took longer than others to show) i put em outside.....but some never did revert back to veg!?! plus had a couple herm out on me (because of the stress from going from 16 hrs light, to 12 then back up again when placed outside i assume,coulda just been genetics tho lol.) so my question is this: would it be better just to start em out on 12/12? i'll be growing some flying dutchmen 'the pure' and a couple other similar "name brand" strains this year...so there won't be any worries bout them showing sex at different times!
on a side note....have ya been over to our mma club and looked at the discussions? i almost went 5 of 5 on my ppv picks (went 4/5) (nobody foresaw chael sonnen beating nate marquardt including me lol) anyway, i have noticed that ur a member, and when u get a break from the grind of our 'hobby' come over and throw in ur 2 cents on who u think the best ever is (my pick is fedor) or check out the ufc 110 discussion, its gonna be outta australia and should have a few very good fights on it.
but anyway..... thanks for your help man. peace.
on a side note....have ya been over to our mma club and looked at the discussions? i almost went 5 of 5 on my ppv picks (went 4/5) (nobody foresaw chael sonnen beating nate marquardt including me lol) anyway, i have noticed that ur a member, and when u get a break from the grind of our 'hobby' come over and throw in ur 2 cents on who u think the best ever is (my pick is fedor) or check out the ufc 110 discussion, its gonna be outta australia and should have a few very good fights on it.
but anyway..... thanks for your help man. peace.
simpsonsampson420
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if you are growing outside your best bet is to just start the seeds and let them grow out... they will show sex far before you have to worry about pollination (if you get males) or hermies (due to light cycle stress)... plus you'll have some large, nice vegged girls...
i need to get over and check things out.. i have been crazy busy the last few days with harvesting and still have to get things ready to put new girls into veg.. when i get some time i plan on stopping in the chat and seeing whats going on.. hell i've been so busy i dont even know the outcome of the fights saturday!!
i need to get over and check things out.. i have been crazy busy the last few days with harvesting and still have to get things ready to put new girls into veg.. when i get some time i plan on stopping in the chat and seeing whats going on.. hell i've been so busy i dont even know the outcome of the fights saturday!!
showhard2handle
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Totally, thanks for the killer points. You really have saved me some serious learnin shit the hard way type agony me brova. Thanks again for the spot on responses.
TO answer the few queries you had about the moms, yes I can augment light for moms @ any time. Just tryin to recover financially from whole set up, fan mis-hap, etc. before I get too many fatty daddy lights. Gonna take some photos of the girls & gettum on here 2night. I was wonderin where u were @, but then yesterday suspected that u were up to yo as in some stanky sticky-icks. Wow, wish I was that helper! Lemme know how those autos finished. I realized they are gonna be a bit bobo compared to reg. photo beans, but sure lookin forward. What do you think u are u averagin per lady?
doowmd
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dude! u r one of the coolest ppl that i've ever been around! seriously! u take ur time to help out i dont know how many ppl.....you make sure to respond to every post and question, PLUS u manage to squeeze in a very productive life outside of here! i know ur not the only one on here to be able to accomplish these things .........but ur one of the few...... and truly one of the coolest ppl i've ever encountered.....never a harsh word.......always encouraging....well anyway i just wanted to say thank you. and since i understand you being a busy man i'll give ya the results of saturdays fights here, and u come on over when things settle a little for ya. hope i don't piss everyone off w/ such a long post but whatever. ok..here are the ppv results for ufc 109: 1)couture over coleman by sub in 2nd,2) sonnen def. marquardt by unanimous decision (shocker to everbody!),3)thiago def. swick by sub in 2nd,4) serra def. trigg by ref. stoppage in first (strikes), 5)maia over miller by decision.
oh, and btw, the reason i'd like to sex em is so as not to have to dig so many holes. i'm going to have approx 30 or so, and would rather not dig that many if i only need 15, or 10, lol know wat i mean? so i just thot if i started em out on 12/12 pretty soon then they would be sexed by april, get rid of unnecessary males,then place outside where they would be getting pretty close to the same amt of light from the sun by then(slightly more than 12/12 outside then)? how's this sound? but give me your honest opinion. serious. do u think i should put em under 24/0 and suck it up and dig holes for em all? lol plz say no. i guess it boils down to how big i want em huh? but again afraid of the effect/stress of going from inside under say 18 or 24 hrs of light, to outside under less than less than 13 hrs of light. idk.
showhard2handle
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hey bro, got a flower stickin out the main cola of one of the smaller ladies & can see pistils & what not on all the others, are the ready for startin to switch over (ween) to a bloom nute regiment? I'm assumin the others will follow suit w/ showin a flower. But dude they still are prob. only 4-6" tall. Gettn a little bushy, but not much on the hieght.
I realize they are in small containers & compressed, but how much of the vertical height was accomplished during veg. as opposed to bloom in ur experience? Basically, are they gonna like double in height & girth after hitting bloom, or is most of the growing done & gone after their 3 weeks of veggin.
Thanks a bunch bud, hope ur fingers get some rest eventually. Ahh, enjoy the fruits of ur labors & thanks my man!
I realize they are in small containers & compressed, but how much of the vertical height was accomplished during veg. as opposed to bloom in ur experience? Basically, are they gonna like double in height & girth after hitting bloom, or is most of the growing done & gone after their 3 weeks of veggin.
Thanks a bunch bud, hope ur fingers get some rest eventually. Ahh, enjoy the fruits of ur labors & thanks my man!
showhard2handle
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dude! u r one of the coolest ppl that i've ever been around! seriously! u take ur time to help out i dont know how many ppl.....you make sure to respond to every post and question, PLUS u manage to squeeze in a very productive life outside of here! i know ur not the only one on here to be able to accomplish these things .........but ur one of the few...... and truly one of the coolest ppl i've ever encountered.....never a harsh word.......always encouraging....well anyway i just wanted to say thank you. and since i understand you being a busy man i'll give ya the results of saturdays fights here, and u come on over when things settle a little for ya. hope i don't piss everyone off w/ such a long post but whatever. ok..here are the ppv results for ufc 109: 1)couture over coleman by sub in 2nd,2) sonnen def. marquardt by unanimous decision (shocker to everbody!),3)thiago def. swick by sub in 2nd,4) serra def. trigg by ref. stoppage in first (strikes), 5)maia over miller by decision.
oh, and btw, the reason i'd like to sex em is so as not to have to dig so many holes. i'm going to have approx 30 or so, and would rather not dig that many if i only need 15, or 10, lol know wat i mean? so i just thot if i started em out on 12/12 pretty soon then they would be sexed by april, get rid of unnecessary males,then place outside where they would be getting pretty close to the same amt of light from the sun by then(slightly more than 12/12 outside then)? how's this sound? but give me your honest opinion. serious. do u think i should put em under 24/0 and suck it up and dig holes for em all? lol plz say no. i guess it boils down to how big i want em huh? but again afraid of the effect/stress of going from inside under say 18 or 24 hrs of light, to outside under less than less than 13 hrs of light. idk.
Dude no doubt, this man is like a total frickin wikipedia, co-pilot, and some sick witch doctor all in one. Answers for whatever kinda shit ails ya. Truly cool shit helpin out all us newbies. A gentleman & scholar foe show!
KidIccaris
Member
I know this is kind of off the wall for this thread but this thread seems to be so fat with knowledge I figure it's my best shot.
I was thinking of buying a dual arc 600w bulb, not a conversion bulb, but most of the info I can find focus on the enhanced spectrum bulbs, but those aren't really dual arc.. right? Anyway this is the question that my insane rambling finally coalesced into.
I have two 600w HPS/MH set ups but I only one HPS bulb at the moment, I plan on running both 600w in a 4x7 room do you think I would get better results from 2-600w dual arc bulbs that are 300wHPS & 300wMH in each or 1- 600wHPS and 1-600wMH ? either way they are going to be on light movers. I ve learned a lot from this thread so any help would be appreciated
I was thinking of buying a dual arc 600w bulb, not a conversion bulb, but most of the info I can find focus on the enhanced spectrum bulbs, but those aren't really dual arc.. right? Anyway this is the question that my insane rambling finally coalesced into.
I have two 600w HPS/MH set ups but I only one HPS bulb at the moment, I plan on running both 600w in a 4x7 room do you think I would get better results from 2-600w dual arc bulbs that are 300wHPS & 300wMH in each or 1- 600wHPS and 1-600wMH ? either way they are going to be on light movers. I ve learned a lot from this thread so any help would be appreciated
simpsonsampson420
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i dunno.... just hasnt i suppose.. lolWhy haven't this been made a sticky yet!?
harvest was intense for sure.... the autos turned out a LOT better than i had anticipated... from what i can tell as of now i averaged over 2 ounces per plant... im happy.. my gram per watt average wasnt good.. but i knew that would be way off from what it should be...
glad you enjoyed.. please come back if you ever have questions...
thank you very much for the kind words and the fight results... im almost at a point i can take the time to enjoy checking out the ufc chat and get more involved... just been a bit hectic with everything going on... always seems that way... a few days of busting ass then nothing for a few weeks.. then back at it again.. loldude! u r one of the coolest ppl that i've ever been around! seriously! u take ur time to help out i dont know how many ppl.....you make sure to respond to every post and question, PLUS u manage to squeeze in a very productive life outside of here! i know ur not the only one on here to be able to accomplish these things .........but ur one of the few...... and truly one of the coolest ppl i've ever encountered.....never a harsh word.......always encouraging....well anyway i just wanted to say thank you. and since i understand you being a busy man i'll give ya the results of saturdays fights here, and u come on over when things settle a little for ya. hope i don't piss everyone off w/ such a long post but whatever. ok..here are the ppv results for ufc 109: 1)couture over coleman by sub in 2nd,2) sonnen def. marquardt by unanimous decision (shocker to everbody!),3)thiago def. swick by sub in 2nd,4) serra def. trigg by ref. stoppage in first (strikes), 5)maia over miller by decision.
oh, and btw, the reason i'd like to sex em is so as not to have to dig so many holes. i'm going to have approx 30 or so, and would rather not dig that many if i only need 15, or 10, lol know wat i mean? so i just thot if i started em out on 12/12 pretty soon then they would be sexed by april, get rid of unnecessary males,then place outside where they would be getting pretty close to the same amt of light from the sun by then(slightly more than 12/12 outside then)? how's this sound? but give me your honest opinion. serious. do u think i should put em under 24/0 and suck it up and dig holes for em all? lol plz say no. i guess it boils down to how big i want em huh? but again afraid of the effect/stress of going from inside under say 18 or 24 hrs of light, to outside under less than less than 13 hrs of light. idk.
i would have guessed all the fights would have gone the way they did except the sonnen/marquardt fight.. that is a huge surprise.. but it happens... the next ufc has some hella good fights doesnt it?? hopefully i get a chance to catch that one...
now to your plant question... the largest problem with everything, and my biggest worry, is the amount of stress the light cycle changes will cause... light cycle stress is the most likely cause of hermies on the list of potential hermie causes... so i would hate to see your females turn hermie and still pollinate due to stress...
i understand wanting to limit the holes and the work.. trust me... sometimes i try to cut corners.. but the truth is when you half ass it you get half assed results... i've had a crop destroyed due to hermies.. its sad... very sad...
again i am sure that if you start vegging them out now they will show their sex way before you plant them outside.... it may mean watering plants indoors that end up being males.. but at least you wont have the holes to dig.. honestly bro, its your best option.. either that or wait until later to start your plants so they are smaller at transplant and the holes you dig will be smaller...
as of now stick on veg nutes... wait until all plants are showing pistils before switching over... that one you see now will likely have the fatest flowers on her when all is said and done.. you should mark it just to see if i am right or not..
what you will notice with them, or at least what i noticed with mine, is the first 2 or 3 weeks is normal growth rates.. i guess that doesnt mean much to you.. but they dont seem to get real tall.. then from week 3 to 4 they seem to just explode with growth... basically doubling or tripling in height... id say by the end of week 4 they are done stretching...
there aint no rest for the wicked bro.. but i sure the hell have been enjoying the fruits of my labor... :
:again, thank you guys...
alright.. there are a couple variables that will affect my answer...
first is the main concern... heat.... MH puts of far far far more heat than does hps... if you dont have the funds to properly control heat via fans, ducting, ect then stick with both being just hps....
if you can spend the money to make sure temps stay within range go with the dual arc... nothing wrong with increasing spectrum for your plants...
i wouldnt, however, suggest the 1 x hps and 1 x mh... this is for 2 reasons.. even tho they will be on light movers the plants under whichever bulb will get more of that spectrum and less of the other... but that is less important than this other reason which is pure MH bulbs are not really cost effective at all.. they put off a lot of usable light spectrum.. which gives good growth.. but have little lumen output for the cost it takes to run them... basically in most cases they arent worth it....
i personally would stick with just 2 hps bulbs... skip the dual arc and everything all around... hps works perfectly fine throughout the entire grow, produces less heat, offers better penetration, is more cost effective (especially the 600s), plus you dont have to switch bulbs or anything for flowering... just light cycles..
showhard2handle
Well-Known Member
hey man, 1 quick one for now.
I'm gettin this ghetty chandelier together for the moms (actually gonna be usin a 2' strip shop light from HD, along with my ghetty chandelier for moms). If you get the time to look, here's what i mean
http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=55326
Anyway, there is an option for the CFL bulbs i'm gettin for it. Where the offer either
You get TWO GROW 6400K, or TWO BLOOM 2700K, or ONE GROW 6400K and ONE BLOOM 2700K bulbs for the widest spectrum suitable for ALL STAGES of PLANT GROWTH!
Should I go for GROW bulbs for both, or should I mix (x1 grow & x bloom) to increase spectrum. Again, these will simply be used for keepin the moms happy.
Thanks for the info. on the autos. I gotta be honest, I am straight jealous as hell bout your lifestyle. However, you do give back quite a bit, so I'm sure you deserve all the good shiz that comes ur way. I mean dang though, 9-5 is fuckin sweet & been doin it EVERYDAY for over a decade now too, cannot tell you how much i would love to be able to be more financially independent & tell those shesiters to take this effin job & shove it. Thanks for the evthing so far my friend!
I'm gettin this ghetty chandelier together for the moms (actually gonna be usin a 2' strip shop light from HD, along with my ghetty chandelier for moms). If you get the time to look, here's what i mean
http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=55326
Anyway, there is an option for the CFL bulbs i'm gettin for it. Where the offer either
You get TWO GROW 6400K, or TWO BLOOM 2700K, or ONE GROW 6400K and ONE BLOOM 2700K bulbs for the widest spectrum suitable for ALL STAGES of PLANT GROWTH!
Should I go for GROW bulbs for both, or should I mix (x1 grow & x bloom) to increase spectrum. Again, these will simply be used for keepin the moms happy.
Thanks for the info. on the autos. I gotta be honest, I am straight jealous as hell bout your lifestyle. However, you do give back quite a bit, so I'm sure you deserve all the good shiz that comes ur way. I mean dang though, 9-5 is fuckin sweet & been doin it EVERYDAY for over a decade now too, cannot tell you how much i would love to be able to be more financially independent & tell those shesiters to take this effin job & shove it. Thanks for the evthing so far my friend!
quackdaddy
Member
Thanks for posting all that info! I've grown out doors and have been successful doing so. I'm going to try indoor and find my self up against some issues. I was going to buy a 4x8 tent for the flowering stage using the stickbuddy set up. My problems comes with power. I have 20 amps to work with and and using 2 600 watt lights and everything thing else I'm putting that circut at risk. So, I've been told. My alternative would be to use LEDS but I'm hearing many opinions if they really work. Even though they cost more up front I could 3 or 4 of them in the tent to increase the the light and still use less power. Any thoughts?