it doesn't matter until it effects you

[Chrisuperfly]

Funny how we are more interested in fixing blame than fixing the problem, how about we fix this then worry about whose fault it is afterward.

 

[abe23]

Funny how we are more interested in fixing blame than fixing the problem, how about we fix this then worry about whose fault it is afterward.

We can't; it's an election year....

 

[londonfog]

If we forget how we got here we will be doomed to repeat it ...... and I do think its possible to remember who is at fault and fix the problem...It's called multitasking. It just seems that this is another problem that was started by Bush and Co. and now Obama has to clean this mess up....good grief....Drill Baby Drill

 

[Mindmelted]

Sorry the Deep Drilling codes where done under clinton.

Obama is president now,so quite going back to bush.

How many months has he had to fix things and NONE of his ideas are working...NONE..

If obama can not handle the job he should not have ran for it then.

 

[londonfog]

Sorry the Deep Drilling codes where done under clinton.

Obama is president now,so quite going back to bush.

How many months has he had to fix things and NONE of his ideas are working...NONE..

If obama can not handle the job he should not have ran for it then.

Sorry you can't seem to remember what was just showed to you on the last page (must be the weed)...I only go back to Bush so you can remember just how the phuck ups begin...and Bush change deep drilling rules after Clinton..Here you go again maybe you will remember this time >>>>
Facts you can check

Bush MMS adopted regulation stating drillers are "in the best position to determine the environmental effects of its proposed activity." The Washington Post on May 25 states that the actions taken by MMS, "are shaped in part by a 2005 regulation it adopted that assumes oil and gas companies can best evaluate the environmental effects of their operations.

In April 2008, Bush MMS loosened rules requiring blowout plan. The Associated Press reported on May 5 that a "rule change two years ago by the federal agency that regulates offshore oil rigs allowed BP to avoid filing a plan specifically for handling a major spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project." AP further reported: "The MMS rule change, made in April 2008, says that Gulf rig operators are required to file a blowout scenario only if one of five conditions applies.


Bush MMS failed to respond to 2004 warning about vital piece of blowout preventer. The Wall Street Journal reported on May 3 that "[f]ederal regulators learned in a 2004 study that a vital piece of oil-drilling safety equipment may not function in deep-water seas but did nothing to bolster industry requirements. The equipment, called shear rams, is supposed to seal off out-of-control oil and gas wells by pinching the pipe closed and cutting it." The Journal further reported that "[e]xperts theorize the rams may have failed to work as expected in the Deepwater Horizon disaster."


Bush MMS ignored warnings about faulty cementing in wells. The Associated Press reported on May 24 that numerous MMS reports identified "poor cement job" as the cause of offshore accidents, including incidents that took place in 2005 and 2007, "[y]et federal regulators give drillers a free hand in this crucial safety step." AP noted that rig owner Transocean and "independent experts" have pointed to "faulty cement work" as a possible cause of the blowout, and that new rules "in the works long before the Deepwater Horizon" took effect June 3, which "take a conservative watch-and-wait approach and demand only routines already carried out around the industry: a management program with monitoring and diagnostic testing."

WSJ: In 2003, Bush MMS decided not to require last-resort shut-off device. ABC News reported on April 30 that in 2000 MMS "issued a safety alert that called added layers of backup 'an essential component of a deepwater drilling system.'" However, according to the Wall Street Journal, "The industry argued against" mandating a remote-control shut-off switch that serves as "last-resort protection against underwater spills," and "y 2003, U.S. regulators decided remote-controlled safeguards needed more study. A report commissioned by the Minerals Management Service said 'acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.'" The Journal noted that the Deepwater Horizon rig did not have a remote-control device, which is required "in two major oil-producing countries, Norway and Brazil


Bush issued executive order to end ban on offshore drilling. In a June 14, 2008, President Bush announced the executive order he had issued to end the prohibition on drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf: "So today, I've issued a memorandum to lift the executive prohibition on oil exploration in the OCS. With this action, the executive branch's restrictions on this exploration have been cleared away." Bush's executive order was meant to prompt congressional action needed to fully rescind the ban, and he noted, "This means that the only thing standing between the American people and these vast oil resources is action from the U.S. Congress


Bush asked Congress to ease ban on offshore drilling. In a June 18, 2008, President Bush said "First, we should expand American oil production by increasing access to the Outer Continental Shelf, or OCS. Experts believe that the OCS could produce about 18 billion barrels of oil." In the September 6, 2008, presidential Bush said: "Congress should open the way for environmentally responsible offshore exploration on the Outer Continental Shelf. Experts believe that these areas could eventually produce nearly 10 years' worth of America's current annual oil production.

 

[Mindmelted]

Obama and his administration could have avoided this but.......

Ken Salazar’s first pledge as secretary of the interior was to reform the scandal plagued Mineral Management Service (MMS), which had been found by the U.S. inspector general to have traded sex, drugs, and financial favors with oil-company executives. In a January 29, 2009 press release on the scandal, Salazar stated:
“President Obama’s and my goal is to restore the public’s trust, to enact meaningful reform…to uphold the law, and to ensure that all of us — career public servants and political appointees — do our jobs with the highest level of integrity."
Yet just three months later, Secretary Salazar allowed the MMS to approve — with no environmental review — the BP drilling operation that exploded on April 20, 2010, killing 11 workers and pouring millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. The disaster will soon be, if it is not already, the worst oil spill in American history.
BP submitted its drilling plan to the MMS on March 10, 2009. Rather than subject the plan to a detailed environmental review before approving it as required by the National Environmental Policy Act, the agency declared the plan to be “categorically excluded” from environmental analysis because it posed virtually no chance of harming the environment.
As BP itself pointed out in its April 9, 2010, letter to the Council on Environmental Quality, categorical exclusions are only to be used when a project will have “minimal or nonexistent” environmental impacts.

​

But how could Obama have known that Ken Salazar is a gung-ho booster of offshore drilling, instead of a responsible guardian of the public interest?
Let’s blame it all on Salazar, and BP, and Halliburton, and… anybody but Obama!



But lets blame bush huh.....

 

[londonfog]

President Obama loses exactly none of my support around this issue. He’s as frustrated and pissed as all of us are. If there was a reasonable solution that involved using the U.S. Navy Submarine fleet, or divers, or sinking a decommissioned ship over the hole, or detonating a mine down there, or anything that the military could do, it would have been done already. There’s nothing more that he can personally do… it’s up to the experts and the engineers now. And they’re doing everything they can think of. I blame BP for ignoring warning signs and doing a crummy job of being preventive. and let us not Drill Baby Drill until we can have preventive measures and more regulations..

 

[Mindmelted]

Cool with your support of Obama..

But i think he could be using more resources for ideas..

And i agree with the rest of your statement.

 

[researchkitty]

Two words: Hurricane coming@

 

[fdd2blk]

they fix it yet?

 

[Big P]

lol london fog you act like you dont us fuel, you keep mocking drill baby drill while hypocritically using oil products every single day of your life,


its like a guy pigging out on corn on the cob all day everyday while mocking the people for growing it


like the guy who is against prostitution while bangin ho's all day,


your too much man lol climb down off that horse come hang with us small guys here on the ground


you wanna know the success rate of american ofshore drilling?

99.998% and you can do the math yourself

not to mention the actual reason they are drilling so far from shore is because of people of your view point


you could argue that overzelous environmentalists were the catalist for this whole event by forcing the drilling so far offshore


after that decision was made it was just a matter of time.....

 

[Mindmelted]

Damn P right on the money again.This shit would have already been shut down if it was not a mile below the surface.

Way less damage would have occured,but the tree huggers thought the risk was worth it.


We will be using oil until alternative energy is viable and resonable.

Solar is not there,just for a $200 a month bill you would have to spend around 60-65,000 dollars...

 

[londonfog]

lol london fog you act like you dont us fuel, you keep mocking drill baby drill while hypocritically using oil products every single day of your life,


its like a guy pigging out on corn on the cob all day everyday while mocking the people for growing it


like the guy who is against prostitution while bangin ho's all day,


your too much man lol climb down off that horse come hang with us small guys here on the ground


you wanna know the success rate of american ofshore drilling?

99.998% and you can do the math yourself

not to mention the actual reason they are drilling so far from shore is because of people of your view point


you could argue that overzelous environmentalists were the catalist for this whole event by forcing the drilling so far offshore


after that decision was made it was just a matter of time.....

Where in the hell did you pull that number from???? Seems like right out your arse...hmmmm how do you measure success rate of offshore drilling ??? based on the number of lives lost ????? number of fish killed ????? the damaging of nature ????? only take one phuck up to turn the gulf in to one big freakin mess...so again where did you pull that number from ??? link would be nice....would like to read that for myself...

1. I don't pig out on corn all day...While it is a good filler, it has very little nutritional value ( maybe more corn for fuel ).

2. I never had to "bang a ho"..maybe that's something you do for it being the only way you can get laid..but I do support prostitution ( its her body to do as she pleases )

3. Don't want to even imagine the damage if we allowed to drill even closer to our shores.

4. Stop the Drill Baby Drill unless you add With Safty and Regulation.


I hope you realize that we can have the technology to do away with the use of oil, but because of the wealth that oil brings people are not ready to move forward...and you do have a point about being a slave to oil...but I"m one of those who is seeking freedom

 

[Countryfarmer]

Lots of blame to go around on this disaster. But the question I have is why doesn't the Gulf of Mexico look like Normandy on D-Day? There should be ships as far as the eye can see performing clean up.

But no. Instead we now have oil in the marshes in Louisiana. We have oil washing up on the beaches of Pensacola, Destin and the rest of the beautiful Gulf Coast. We have oil making its way around the tip of Florida towards the last healthy coral reefs on the coastline of Florida. We have the destruction of the most prolific fishery in the Gulf of Mexico, which even with clean up may never recover, and the most likely destruction of the closer inshore shrimp and oyster fisheries.

If I were POTUS, I think I could take five minutes out of my day to waive by executive order all of the EPA rules that have kept foreign nations from providing clean up vessels, OSHA regulations that keep private clean up vessels from working more than one month straight, and other red tape that has hindered the clean up effort.

I think I might even find another minute or two to order my military to expend every resource in aiding in the clean up. I might even put a 3-star in charge and tell him his chances of making that fourth star were completely contingent on his performance in organizing the government's efforts.

And then I might spend a minute ordering my Justice Department to have a highly placed official place an off-the-record phone call to the C-suite at BP telling them that either they made this as close to right as possible for all parties involved, to include the ecological system, or I would do everything in my power to have them share close living quarters with known homosexual rapists for a long period of time.

But to be honest, I think this administration is living by the mantra of never letting a crisis go to waste and will allow this to get bad enough to push their party's far left's ecological and economic agenda.

 

[beardo]

anyone know how much oil their is if they dont stop it? how much oil untill it runs out?

 

[Mindmelted]

10 years worth.....Not sure in gallons

 

[Big P]

the 99.998% success rate is based on how many deep water rigs or total rigs there are out there and how many spills there has been, there are thousands of rigs an only 1 has failed like this since they started drilling


if they made oil illigal across the world today, it would cost like $20 for an apple. no one would survive in our current system without oil. its not about we would have to pay a lil extra it would be about 75% of your income going to transportation costs of you your family and every single item that has mass that your family consumes. shipping is linked to everything we use and shipping costs are have direct link to fuel costs,

now thats a real fast way oil effects us all directly in a huge life altering way. because when the high prices hit, no one will buy anything cuz they couldnt afford it causing everyone to lose thier jobs causing a severe chain reaction downward spiral that you couldnt even begin to imagine untill half the country was straving to death

 

[ink the world]

Lots of blame to go around on this disaster. But the question I have is why doesn't the Gulf of Mexico look like Normandy on D-Day? There should be ships as far as the eye can see performing clean up.

But no. Instead we now have oil in the marshes in Louisiana. We have oil washing up on the beaches of Pensacola, Destin and the rest of the beautiful Gulf Coast. We have oil making its way around the tip of Florida towards the last healthy coral reefs on the coastline of Florida. We have the destruction of the most prolific fishery in the Gulf of Mexico, which even with clean up may never recover, and the most likely destruction of the closer inshore shrimp and oyster fisheries.

If I were POTUS, I think I could take five minutes out of my day to waive by executive order all of the EPA rules that have kept foreign nations from providing clean up vessels, OSHA regulations that keep private clean up vessels from working more than one month straight, and other red tape that has hindered the clean up effort.

I think I might even find another minute or two to order my military to expend every resource in aiding in the clean up. I might even put a 3-star in charge and tell him his chances of making that fourth star were completely contingent on his performance in organizing the government's efforts.

And then I might spend a minute ordering my Justice Department to have a highly placed official place an off-the-record phone call to the C-suite at BP telling them that either they made this as close to right as possible for all parties involved, to include the ecological system, or I would do everything in my power to have them share close living quarters with known homosexual rapists for a long period of time.

But to be honest, I think this administration is living by the mantra of never letting a crisis go to waste and will allow this to get bad enough to push their party's far left's ecological and economic agenda.

So what you are saying is that you want MORE government oversite and "overreach" into private industry?
Why is it the governments job to clean up a disaster caused by a private business? Why didnt the industry have some kind of reaction force or team or at least a non-retarded plan to address the spill? What oil spills are something new?


You then say "use the military", how would the military that isnt in Iraq or Afghanistan help? Shoot the oil until it agrees to stop flowing?
Do you expect our military to somehow become oil experts overnight? If the industry that is FULL of experts cant fix it I cant see how the military has any better of a chance? BTW, would BP pick up te bill for the military or should we the taxpayers just eat that one too, because poor little BP cant be responsible to clean up the mess THEY created?

Why havent the Governors (Repubs BTW) of the affected states mobliized the National Guard that has been at their disposal for weeks? Theyve used less than 1/2 available to them, to make the feds look bad at the cost of their own constituents.



Trying to say that the adminstration is happy about the situation or capitalizing from it is insane. You also point out them "furthering their ecological agenda" you mean an agenda that might PREVENT the entire Gulf Coast from an ecological disaster like they one we see unfolding now.

Im not against oil drilling, just drilling at a depth that we/they cant control a spill.

 

[Big P]

Bill clinton just said in a speech that we should get the military to blow the well up and he said it wouldnt take a nuke to do that.

 

[Countryfarmer]

Ink the World, nice way of reading what you want to read. My post stands on its own without any need for me to clarify it for you.

As to your aside regarding not drilling at a depth we can not control, you evidently have no idea what you are talking about. We can easily control at the depths we are drilling at, as long as we prepare for this type of disaster. The Dutch do it. They simply mandate two wells be dug, so in case they have a situation like we have in the Gulf of Mexico the company simply switches to the redundant well. They also mandate double-walled extraction pipes, which is used quite often in US waters but was not done so in this case because BP was trying to control costs.