Is This Information Correct?
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cannabisguru
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wow.. your way off buddy.
here's my suggestion to you.. do your own research.
your not going to learn how its properly done until you do so.
I'm going to recommend to you.. what I always recommend to all the noobs.. Read.
Read all the material you can.. you'll eventually get to where it just comes naturally to you, because you know it. You know it because you've read it over and over and over again. But until you get to that point.. research research research!
good luck..
peace
here's my suggestion to you.. do your own research.
your not going to learn how its properly done until you do so.
I'm going to recommend to you.. what I always recommend to all the noobs.. Read.
Read all the material you can.. you'll eventually get to where it just comes naturally to you, because you know it. You know it because you've read it over and over and over again. But until you get to that point.. research research research!
good luck..
peace
JQuick
Active Member
umm where do you think i found this information lol on this site, doing hours and hours of reasearch
JQuick
Active Member
but thanx for the info, tht woulda been a waste of time lol ima jus buy ten regular auto seeds and let them do their thing
Pipe Dream
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Some plants will change sexesif left longer than their peak but not all of them. Ideally you want to pollinate a female somewhat early in its flowering cycle so that could be a problem with autoflowers unless you have them t diferent stages of growth. Since yur looking to make auto seeds I would look into collodial silver for making feminized seeds.
JQuick
Active Member
thanks for the info, nice plant in tha avatar!!!
JQuick
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hell yea!!!
Brick Top
New Member
Originally Posted by cannabisguruwow.. your way off buddy.
here's my suggestion to you.. do your own research.
your not going to learn how its properly done until you do so.
I'm going to recommend to you.. what I always recommend to all the noobs.. Read.
Read all the material you can.. you'll eventually get to where it just comes naturally to you, because you know it. You know it because you've read it over and over and over again. But until you get to that point.. research research research!
good luck..
peace
What was recommended was for you to do real research from credible sources. What you find here, and on any site like this, is a collection of opinions and beliefs, half-truths, misconceptions, inaccuracies, myths, urban legends and old hippie folklore with the occasional interspersed fact. That makes it very difficult for someone who does not know something to be able to wade through the baloney and be able to pick out the few actual facts.
Brick Top
New Member
What you are talking about is Rodelization .. but I do not know if it works with auto-flowering strains. I don't use gimmick seeds like auto-flowering seeds so I do not know much more about them.
RODELIZATION: SOMA'S WAY TO FEMALE SEEDS
Heres an easy, environmentally friendly method for breeding feminized seeds.
by SOMA
Wed, Jul 30, 2003 12:00 am
Story by Soma
Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds. Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you cant treat every plant the same way.
It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.
I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.
In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.
For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop thats already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.
I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If youre one of those growers whos never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.
You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from ThSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: Drop seeds not bombs.
Brick Top
New Member
It is one method to make feminized seeds. You allow female plants to grow past time of harvest until male bananas pop out, you collect the bananas/pollen and use it to pollinate another crop of females that you have ready to pollinate. Of the various ways to make feminized seeds it might pass on a hermie trait somewhat more than the others, but it is how some breeders make feminized seeds.
I have no idea if auto-flowering strains will do the same thing or not, but it can be done, and is done, with photoperiod strains.
Harrekin
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Thanks Brick top, what I was thinking of doing was after harvest leaving some popcorn on one of the plants and let it keep going a week or two so I can collect pollen and breed this strain with a nice sativa dominant strain from my next run and see what I can come up with.
Brick Top
New Member
I have never heard of it being done that way before but you can always try. Will you be able to store the pollen in a way to keep it viable for as long as you need to keep it until your next run is ready to be pollinated?
greentiger.sd
Member
just an fyi for everyone, don't do all your research on this site. people are idiots and unless they have pics, i swear sometimes people are telling others the wrong things just to fuck with you. LOOK FOR PICS AND VIDEOS, save yourself and your garden!
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Brick Top
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For the most part I would agree with that. There is far more inaccurate information to be found here than accurate, but that is common on many or most growing sites. As for someone needing to supply pics of what they do to prove themselves, that is where I do not agree. If someone really knows what they are talking about you should be able to tell it by how and what they write, or if they C&P something that is too long and too detailed for them to take the time to re-write and or condense and still be able for it to retain all that is needed, but it is clearly credible.
When it comes to posting pictures, I stopped doing that about three sites ago after several members of different sites I was a member of, and a mod on one of them, were busted strictly due to the pictures they posted, and then also a local bust due to pictures posted on a growing site I was not a member of. For the most part it is safe but I then saw, and have since seen, some pictures that put people at risk.
One example was of a member with a basement grow. In one of his very high quality pictures you could see the corner of his furnace and there was a small sticker seen. When you enlarged the picture you could read the name, address and telephone number of the heat - a/c service that installed and or maintained the furnace. It was used to track the member down and he was busted.
The other cases were somewhat different but in each there was something identifiable that led to them being busted. That is when I realized that a slight error in what picture to take or from what angle to take it can be a major risk and I began to see posting pictures as possibly posting evidence, and that was the end of my picture posting days.
If I ever end up in a med state and legal I will likely post pictures again because nothing I would do would be enough to get the Feds interested, but until that day comes the only pictures I will post are ones that are examples of plant problems that are found online or if someone asks something about a particular strain they know little about and want to learn more, like a picture I posted a day or three back of Silver Spur.
There are two things to keep in mind about pictures people post. One is that sites like this are monitored by the cozzers, if not on a full time basis at least from time to time so while not great there is some degree of risk, particularly for the larger grower, and the others is with the likely millions of pictures of plants and grows and grow rooms on the net someone who has never even grown a hangnail let alone a cannabis plant could find and post pictures of an entire grow, from popping seeds to a cured crop that they found on some other growing site, and use them and claim them to be theirs in an attempt to look like they grow and have skills and know what they are talking about and the odds of someone ever knowing the difference would be very slim.
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
I was gonna put the bananas into a photofilm case and keep it in the fridge for 6 weeks or so? Would it remain viable for that long? Im gonna veg for 2-4 weeks then flower and pollenate lower branches at the 3 week of flower, then just wait for the little tiger seeds to pop out themselves.
Brick Top
New Member
For immediate use, a few hours later, room temperature storage is quite satisfactory. Short term storage (days or weeks) in a refrigerator at ca. 39°F (4°C) is satisfactory.Long term storage (months or years) must be done at subfreezing temperatures; the colder, the better.
Also, pollen require drying in air or over a drying agent for 12 to 48 hours before storage. Blue Silica Gel crystals are a good drying agent, but Drierite® is better.
Wolverine97
Well-Known Member
I would also generally agree with this statement, with the caveat that I don't post pics, but you can believe me I swear!
Seriously, I know my shit, I just won't post pics, never have, never will.
Even with pictures, you still have to take things with a grain of salt. I've seen many posters on here (won't name names) who show pictures of good results, but spout bad advice. Just because you're able to pull off an ok yield, or get decent buds does not mean you understand how plants work, or anything else for that matter. I keep myself open to new things, but always look at them critically, do my own research instead of relying on what's told to me by others, and finally READ MY PLANTS. That's it, end rant.
JQuick
Active Member
this is the EXACT article where i read this methodWhat you are talking about is Rodelization .. but I do not know if it works with auto-flowering strains. I don't use gimmick seeds like auto-flowering seeds so I do not know much more about them.
RODELIZATION: SOMA'S WAY TO FEMALE SEEDS
Heres an easy, environmentally friendly method for breeding feminized seeds.
by SOMA
Wed, Jul 30, 2003 12:00 am
Story by Soma
Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds. Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you cant treat every plant the same way.
It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.
I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.
In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.
For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop thats already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.
I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If youre one of those growers whos never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.
You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from ThSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: Drop seeds not bombs.