18/6 never again

pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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spend your extra money on c02 production/control, better ac, and a dehumidifier, drop the lites to 18/6, that is if you really want to see a 30% weight gain and much faster flowering times, as well as uber efficiency while running the heat at elevated temps, but only with c02
 
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tomcatjones

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MISSPHOEBE said:
... I tried 24/7 and it sucks... 18/6 all the way!!!!!!! My ganja grows in the dark!!!!!!!! Happy Healthy Girls Need their Beauty Sleep!
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best advice right here...

they need their sleep for sure.

that and the the hormones that trigger growth are released based on the cark cycle.. not the lights. lights give energy... and when they turn off it produces a new code for them.. imagine day and night like binary.. series of 1 and 0s. every new day is a 1 and night is a zero - as time progresses you get differing lengths, this affects the daily triggering of these hormones. everything is about waves... on and off. same with our dna and codons, how you play a cd or record.. it is all the same. sound, light. fractals and the way things grow.
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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stumpjumper said:
I'm telling ya, 18/6 sucks. What a drastic difference in growth rate compared to 24/0.. I think the faster growth during 24/0 makes up for any energy costs you think you are saving for having the lights off for 6 hours a day.

I'm seeing about a 30% slower growth rate at 2 weeks compared to 24/0 (same strain)... I have always vegged 24/0 but decided to try to save on the electric. I'll just end up vegging longer to make up the difference.
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i agree with ya there.. i noticed the same thing too..
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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gladstoned said:
Funny thing is, people will argue this that only veg for two weeks anyway. lol.
I have read many of these threads and the arguments go back and forth and I am not comfortable with which is correct.
I do not subscribe to the notion that the person with the best debate skills knows the right answer.
My grow is in my basement and I have a desk down there and was spending a lot of time down there. A lot of time down there. lol. I found that isn't exactly the healthiest thing to do. I have been setting up a nice office up here in the real world. lol. My office has a closet that is about 9' x 2'. It had stupid sliding doors that are ugly and a pain in the ass. My first thought was to make the closet four feet deep and go with a smaller office, but we recently bought this house and It is a nice house. My girlfriend asked me very nicely, no sawzall! (translation - please don't demo and remodel a perfect room). I found this at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Aviditi-3-Foot-2-Foot-Reflective-Hydroponic/dp/B004U6WCMY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1328620780&sr=8-3-fkmr0.
I want to put 2 of these next to each other to conduct experiments for myself and anyone who gives a shit. This way I can take two clones or seeds and have them side by side. With each 2 x 3 tent I will only do one or two plants each. Usually one I'm sure.
First off, is this legal, to have 2 or 4 of my plants in a separate room? I am pretty sure it is, I already ordered one tent to check it out. I want to know from tent growers, can the zippers be locked? Is that legal? Or can I put on a closet door and keep that locked? Any ideas, or thoughts from people doing this.
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Amazon is fucking amazing. I think I ordered this two days ago! Pretty shitty the box is tagged GROW TENT though, WTF is that all about? I am legal but what kind of company slaps an I GROW DOPE sticker on their package.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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pharmacoping said:
Hail To The Edison God !! quit fighting nature. it gets dark every day outside. why would anything different be better,when you watch them side by side, through flower, you'll see the 24/0 will be problematic, mites/mold/virus/disease/winged pests, an you dont want any of that due to plant weaknesses. after clones/seedlings develop roots, light go from 24 to 18. there is no debate on this amongst any professional cultivars of the finest medical marijuana, subject to lab scrutiny, monthly. get yourself a refractometer and check the unburned carbs in your leaf material through the grow, the 24hr lite plants will not uptake/burn correctly and completely, resulting in issues later.

peace
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Seriously, dude. You are entitled to your opinion on this ..... but it's just that, an opinion.

I suppose you consider yourself one of those "professional cultivators", eh? lol
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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wow !! wtf !! what company did you buy that from, not the retailer, but the ...... that sucks, i would ve bummed right out !!

what you're doing is legal, as long as your grow can be locked, tents dont lock very well. when i tarted i had 6 different size ones in my office. like a maze all hydro sys, big foot, etc. wmail that company, and then leave feedback when you get the mail from amazon, let others know

peace
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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this is not an opinion and can be found in books, with words, that I didnt even write . Books Like Marijuana Botany and Marijuana Chemistry by michaell starks and Marijuana Horticulture by jorge cervantes. they will grow faster in 24 hrs of light, but this will not be a benefit in the long run. this is not an opinion. for the first time in history this plant can now be studied and scrutinized legally in a lab with vast resources, Old literature is outdated on many subjects, like when the sex of a seedling/seed begins, and many other myths are now debunked. Catch up on your reading, and your formed opinion can be a viable one as well.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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pharmacoping said:
wow !! wtf !! what company did you buy that from, not the retailer, but the ...... that sucks, i would ve bummed right out !!

what you're doing is legal, as long as your grow can be locked, tents dont lock very well. when i tarted i had 6 different size ones in my office. like a maze all hydro sys, big foot, etc. wmail that company, and then leave feedback when you get the mail from amazon, let others know

peace
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I chatted with Amazon about it. They were surprised obviously then realized I ordered it from one of their "other sellers" lol. He was right. He said that is still bad and he will forward the info to the right department then said I should contact the seller and I did. That is pretty stupid. lol. What happened to the Amazon smile and shit? lol. Shitter thing is I just emailed them a fuck-you pretty much and I need to order another one to go next to it. lmao. oops. Better send them another email real quick saying just kidding. lol. Naw, it wasn't that bad, but shit, they could ruin someone's life doing that stupid shit.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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pharmacoping said:
this is not an opinion and can be found in books, with words, that I didnt even write . Books Like Marijuana Botany and Marijuana Chemistry by michaell starks and Marijuana Horticulture by jorge cervantes. they will grow faster in 24 hrs of light, but this will not be a benefit in the long run. this is not an opinion. for the first time in history this plant can now be studied and scrutinized legally in a lab with vast resources, Old literature is outdated on many subjects, like when the sex of a seedling/seed begins, and many other myths are now debunked. Catch up on your reading, and your formed opinion can be a viable one as well.

I've been employed in the greenhouse nursery business for most of my yrs. I am currently too, sort of. I produce mass amounts of tissue culture for 4 nursery businesses in MI, different types of flowers for all, as well as marijuana culture in my legal indoor growroom facility. I am a registered caregiver for five patients and do consider myself a professional,as this is exactly what I've done for a living for decades, with different plants/exotics/tissue cultures etc. I graduated the Oaksterdam U. course,have spoken at MSU four times in an aquaculture course being taught there, and published several papers in the aquaculture trade mags in the last 20 years. yep, he IS a pro.
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LOL!! One google search using the key words "marijuana vegative growth light cycle", and the first article up refutes your "expert opinion".

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/2291.html

Now, I'm not in to trying to impress complete strangers with my knowledge of this plant, so I offer very few absolutes, and I most often leave open the possibility that I could be wrong, which I'm certainly doing here. Obviously Mr Rosenthal disagrees with your expert opinion, and would most likely laugh at your "30% increase in yield" claim as well.

Again, what you offered is an opinion. Your opinion *may* be correct, but to come on here swinging your dick like you're the Albert Einstein of the marijuana world only makes you look foolish. That of course is only my *opinion*. :-)
 
cephalopod

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Amazon is fucking amazing. I think I ordered this two days ago! Pretty shitty the box is tagged GROW TENT though, WTF is that all about? I am legal but what kind of company slaps an I GROW DOPE sticker on their package.[/QUOTE]
No kidding or like how the state will mail you a letter w/bold red letters saying confidential and then Michigan Medical Marihuana Program following it.
 
pharmacoping

pharmacoping

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Swinging dick ??? I guess we see what we want to see. These "opinions" were not mine, but directly from those recent books of chemistry and botany of marijuana.

Ed did not say this was "better" only that it produced bigger plants and used more energy. Thats the key here. grow some 70 plant cycles and you'll see, the money spent in resources to support 24 hrs of light does not pay off. faster, yep, a little, bigger, if thats what you want, , a little. but its all about hormones and triggers. without a dark period these triggers are missed. there is more to growing than getting a bigger, faster plant my friend. when you get results back from hundreds of samples a year, from a lab, you can compare your notes, and see for yourself. There is a reason why this plant has flourished for eons under a nite/day cycle. as stated by your 10 yr old ed rosenthal(from even older texts of his) and 12 yr dj short post references, and dig this
When artificial light is used, from the germination until the flowering stage, the plant typically remains under a regime of 16–20 hours of light and 4–8 hours of darkness, although the plant can use a full 24 hours of light without harm. It is worth noting that there is an ongoing debate over the importance of the "Dark Period". It has been proven that, when subjected to a regimen of constant light without a dark period, most types of flora, including Cannabis, will begin to show signs of decreased photosynthetic response, as well as lack of vigor, and an overall decrease in vascular development from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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Bump for 24/7. <3
When indoors simplicity is best. When indoors & we supplement co2, that is not what a plant normally gets in the wild.. so, sometimes.. more is better.

I talk to my plants and appologize for keeping them up so long but I am sure they forgive me with the TLC I provide. When people argue the "Well in nature the plant gets sleep" I say.. Well in nature the plant does not get 1500ppm of co2.. or a dehumidifier ..or a umbrella to block the rain. Does not cut it, I used to be all about 18/6 until I realized 24/0 works just as well IF not better.. & no timers needed. so simplicity wins.
 
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tomcatjones

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pharmacoping said:
^^^^TRUE^^^^TRUE
and I want tomcatjones to come visit our group on tissue culture. its "up to speed"mostly,even.
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I would love to come! -any group who i can converse and learn with would be awesome. :)

i've turned my life from wanting to be a history and poli sci teacher to gardening awfully fast lol

where in mi do you work for a greenhouse? commercially operated? would love to do that kind of work.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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I chatted with Amazon about it. They were surprised obviously then realized I ordered it from one of their "other sellers" lol. He was right. He said that is still bad and he will forward the info to the right department then said I should contact the seller and I did. That is pretty stupid. lol. What happened to the Amazon smile and shit? lol. Shitter thing is I just emailed them a fuck-you pretty much and I need to order another one to go next to it. lmao. oops. Better send them another email real quick saying just kidding. lol. Naw, it wasn't that bad, but shit, they could ruin someone's life doing that stupid shit.
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Mark from Aviditi already responded and said that he is personally fixing the labeling and offered me another tent. Pretty cool.
As far as experts not disagreeing on light schedule, that is ridiculous. I have several grow books, they all say different shit and i went in circles. lol. That is exactly why I am setting up two small tents in my office just to do side by side experiments. I am worried about end result - smell taste yield, etc. I don't give a shit if my plant looks a little bigger at three weeks, lol. I care about end result. I personally don't think it makes that big of a difference. that is why people keep arguing it. lol.
 
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