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oHsiN666

oHsiN666

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hey can you help me. i would like to run a 2x1000w system in a 4x8 tent. i have the room space, but can not make any design adjustments to the house im renting. wife would freak out on me!! i have heard about water chilled hoods. and would need to run that in my set up.
 
phillipchristian

phillipchristian

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oHsiN666 said:
hey can you help me. i would like to run a 2x1000w system in a 4x8 tent. i have the room space, but can not make any design adjustments to the house im renting. wife would freak out on me!! i have heard about water chilled hoods. and would need to run that in my set up.
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4x8 would be perfect for 2 600w lights. If you haven't bought them already. Plus, you could get the Lumatek Dual Ballast. It has to be wired 240v but it only uses 5.5 amps and it runs 2 bulbs off the one ballast. They are pretty cool. 600w lights will save you a lot on cooling costs as well. 2 1000w bulbs in that space is a little overkill in my opinion. As for water cooling them...that's ballsy bro. No offense but it will be a lot cheaper for you to get a portable a/c and it will take up a lot less space. To cool that area and those lights you would need a 3/4 - 1hp chiller, good pump, reservoir, manifold lines, etc... Kind of a pain in the ass if you ask me for suck a small space. I love water cooling and I am a big supporter of it but in most small situations like yours it's not really needed and not cost effective.
 
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oHsiN666

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damn!! back to the drawing board again.... my thing is. i have to have 2x1000w. it is a must!! i have a buddy pulling 2.5 pounds off each 1000w he is running. 1.14g/w. is amazing in my book. i would be very happy with a total yield of 1g/watt. it does run a little hot here. ok, so my next concern is, if i can not make any holes in walls, how can i exhaust the heat out? or can i exhaust it into my a/c ducting? the one the a/c normally comes out of in any home. take the grill off, stuff insulation or something in the duct work and draw the exhaust out through there? would that work? i have also heard about getting a portable fridge and cutting a hole on top. seems a little much for me though. i do not own any hardcore power tools. i can't imagine what would cut a hole through the top of a portable fridge. im at a brick wall with all this again. i am running 1x1000w in a 4x4 right now. and it is AWESOME!!! i love it. i couldn't imagine a 600w doing the same thing. less lumans. and i have heard from an old close friend that 1000w in a 4x4 is overkill. i just have better results with it. and feel comfortable running it.

im having a damn issue now with my exhaust though. 4x4 tents have 6" exhaust ports. i have been having some major issues with the ducting not drawing the heat out properly. and during the day it is a major issue. plus it is major a ungodly humming noise in the living room. before it was pretty damn silent out here. but lately is messed up. i have a thread posted with pics. but i know im doing something wrong. this set up is from dude at the hydro shop that is no longer there. guess he fucked a lot of peoples shit up before getting canned. needless to say i trusted him and i got fucked over hard. but if you can help, please see my thread. i cant get a link right now...
 
phillipchristian

phillipchristian

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oHsiN666 said:
damn!! back to the drawing board again.... my thing is. i have to have 2x1000w. it is a must!! i have a buddy pulling 2.5 pounds off each 1000w he is running. 1.14g/w. is amazing in my book. i would be very happy with a total yield of 1g/watt. it does run a little hot here. ok, so my next concern is, if i can not make any holes in walls, how can i exhaust the heat out? or can i exhaust it into my a/c ducting? the one the a/c normally comes out of in any home. take the grill off, stuff insulation or something in the duct work and draw the exhaust out through there? would that work? i have also heard about getting a portable fridge and cutting a hole on top. seems a little much for me though. i do not own any hardcore power tools. i can't imagine what would cut a hole through the top of a portable fridge. im at a brick wall with all this again. i am running 1x1000w in a 4x4 right now. and it is AWESOME!!! i love it. i couldn't imagine a 600w doing the same thing. less lumans. and i have heard from an old close friend that 1000w in a 4x4 is overkill. i just have better results with it. and feel comfortable running it.

im having a damn issue now with my exhaust though. 4x4 tents have 6" exhaust ports. i have been having some major issues with the ducting not drawing the heat out properly. and during the day it is a major issue. plus it is major a ungodly humming noise in the living room. before it was pretty damn silent out here. but lately is messed up. i have a thread posted with pics. but i know im doing something wrong. this set up is from dude at the hydro shop that is no longer there. guess he fucked a lot of peoples shit up before getting canned. needless to say i trusted him and i got fucked over hard. but if you can help, please see my thread. i cant get a link right now...
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You don't want to exhaust it into the a/c vent cause then your whole house will smell. do you have a windo in the room? what is above the room? you could exhaust into the ceiling. It's an easy fix later on. If you are in a tent then just exhaust into the room the tent is in.

you can run a 1000w in a 4x4 space but you aren't getting anything more off your plants that you would't get from a 600w. You are actually just wasting electricity and adding heat in my opinion. If you are in a tent you really aren't concerned with liht penetration cause even the tallest tents are only 7'. I could put 2 1000w lamps in a 4x4 but it doesn't mean that because I have more lumens it is better. What's more important is the footprint, footcandles, and height of my canopy. With a 1000w you have light that is not being used by your plants.

send me the link to your thread. with all that money you were going to spend on water cooling why not just get a portable a/c. stick it in the room that the tent will be in. put it on as low as it will go. then use that air to run straight through your hoods and also as the passive intake air for the tent. you create the negative pressure in your tent by exhausting your carbon filter out of the tent.
 
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phishtank

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Well I'm going to start peicing together my shopping list. trying to figure out how much of this 10K will go to equipment costs. So far for all the lights i'm only looking at like 2700 dollars.
 
phillipchristian

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That's not too bad. Lights are always to most expensive part. The rest of that stuff you can get pretty cheap. I'll hook it up for ya with my boy and make sure he gives you my pricing when he does your quote. Then you can compare it to pricing you get elsewhere. He's gonna beat anybody else if he gives you the same discount I get. He can probably get you that Lumatek ballast for like $280.
 
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phishtank

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Right now I'm getting the ballasts for 275 a peice.

this is what I have so far.

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1600W DUAL Lumatek Digital Ballast - 240V EA$275.95 5$1,379.75
2LumenAire 8" Reflector EA$81.95 10$819.50
3600 HPS Digilux Bulb - 95,000 lumens EA$60.95 8$487.60
4400 MH Regular Bulb - 36,000 lumens EA$15.39 2$30.78
5MaxLume T5 Light System - 4', 6 Bulbs EA$145.95 1$145.95
6MLC-8XT Lighting Control w/ Timer EA$189.95 1$189.95
7EC/TDS/Temp Combo Waterproof Meter EA$47.95 1$47.95
8PPM3 - CO2 PPM Monitor/Control by CAP EA$329.95 1$329.95
9REG-1 CO2 Regulator / Valve EA$91.95 1$91.95
Cart weight: 766.50lbs. Total Quantity: 30 Total Amount: $3,523.38

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phishtank

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ignore the 400W bulbs...trying to dig up a good price on some 600W ones...but added them in there untill i could find them.
 
phillipchristian

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mind if he changes a few things? i'm sure he can get most of that but the T5 might be a Sun Blaze model (same as I use) and the hoods might my Sun Systems. You could sace some money going with 6" hoods too. With a 600w bulb you really don't need 8" hoods and fans. Saves you some money too. I'll send it over to him and see what he comes up with.
 
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phishtank

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Alright yeah. The only reason why I was going with the 8" was for moving more volume. I know with 6" the velocity will be greater and technically I can still run the larger 8" fan to move more air.
 
phillipchristian

phillipchristian

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Another thing I just noticed. You only have 4 trigger cords in your flower room so you don't need the MLC-8. That's an 8 trigger box. You can get by with the MLC-4XT. Is that cool? Plus, add the C.A.P. HLC-3e. This is the EXACT setup I have with the MLC-8, HLC-3e and my Agrowtek Environmental Controller. The HLC will only cost you another $70 and it will save your ass. It's worth it.
 
phillipchristian

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The 4XT is rated for 30amps. I have one of those in my veg room. You are running 4 Dual ballasts in your flower at 5.5 amps per ballast. That's only 22amps. You are fine.
 
oHsiN666

oHsiN666

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HEY~ i have a question. how about i get the 1000w dimmables, get 1000w bulbs. run everything at 600w, and if it does not produce like i think it should or could, i can then just switch it up to 1000w and be where i want to be. im not disagreeing with you by any means. i have been told a few times that 1000w is a little much for a 4x4. but a lot of grow books, and other growers DO advise using or say you can use a 1000w in a 4x4. i know a 1000w would be more efficient in a 6x6 tent or space. im mostly thinking about the future. 1 day, these tents will be gone, i will be in my own house, and then i will use 4 1000w in a 12x12 room. that is my ultimate goal!!! i also go by watts. i have heard 1g/watt is about average. in my head 600w is less then 1000w. my 1st set up involved a 1000w light and a light mover. how does that sound? i just hear my buddies grower getting 2.5 pounds from 2x1000w lights. in a 4x8 tent. is it safe to say that i could get 5 pounds out of a 4x8 with 2x600w lights? i have a pretty good feeling you will say "yes"!
 
oHsiN666

oHsiN666

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oh! 1 more question. you said they make a ballast that i can plug 2 600w lights into, correct? do they make the same ballast for 2x1000w lights? and if so, how many amps does that draw?

are bathrooms wired the same as other rooms. i know, it sounds like a dumb question, but i heard bathrooms are grounded. and that is why they are on their own circuit. true?
 
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