Club Vert(600)
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did you factor in the height into your equation put a 600 18" from a plant and a 1000 18" from a plant that 88,000 lumens per watt changes big time
the more you place a 600 up the faster you lose its lumen ratio i beleive a 1000 watter 18" from tops still gives plants full power penetration is what its all about why does a 1000 watter run hotter cause it produces more power period more power = bigger yields now if your looking at effiency yes 600 watter run better per watt but if your looking for yield 1000 smoke 600's away don't care what anyone says i did a 6000 watt comparison same plant count 600 's buds were smaller plant appeared to be more stretched then compared to 1000 watt grow the total difference was 1000's produced bigger buds as well as middle of the plant had decent sized buds 600's middle of plants were shake and hash / oil making weed
So there you have it the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
)PS: as we all know how much buds shrivil while drying trying to achieve large buds is the goal
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DST
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Big yields come from genetics as well as many other environmental factors. The old 1000w v 600w debate. I guess that's why I have my plants less than 18inches away from the lights with my 600's. It's all about utilising the equipment in the envrionment you have, it's not just about going out and buying the most powerfull light...imo. So there you have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, (but from a different perspective)
Peace, DST
)Peace, DST
strictly seedleSs
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Lighting, your screen name would have me believe you understand lighting.....and what you said is true, but nothing new info wise. This vert style is all about efficiency, and 1000w arent always as efficient as 600w. My buds are little bigger with a 1000w, but they arent as solid. 2 600w yield about the same as a 1000w for me, and the 600 buds were the same size as the 1000w. It all depends on how you utilize the space.....hence this vert club. you asked if jig factored in the "height", but height isnt what vert is about. the "space" between the buds and the light will always effect the buds size/density. With experience comes the know how, of how to effect the plant to give you better result. IE, if your getting alot of popcorn buds, you should lollipop the plant to allow only the buds that get the light penetration to have the opportunity to grow. But you do know how lighting works, so where is your vert grow? because if you know what you know, you should know vert is the way to go.
as for the buds shriveling when they dry, my 1000w buds shrivel waaay more than my 600w buds. one day I will be using 600s again, because I liked the results better.
as for the buds shriveling when they dry, my 1000w buds shrivel waaay more than my 600w buds. one day I will be using 600s again, because I liked the results better.
to each there own and your right it comes down to factoring enviroment i run my 1000's 12 - 14 " from my tops but then again i got over 3k in power just working on my enviroment dialings and again my experiment was not just with a few plants it was total of 160 plants and 12,000 watts of lighting power as well as another 6 k in room venting and fans etc big difference when a room is so dialed in as to if you fart it detects it
i just completed a 4 plant 4 pound harvest took 84 days from a 3 " clone 2000 watts i might try 4 plant 2400 watt 600's and see
same amount of veg time i bet i dont get same results ???? in process of 16 plant 16 pound harvest all under 1000's 10 feet x 16 feet scrog table
i'll start a journal soon as i transplant into 50 gallon pots heres some of my 4 plant 4 pound harvest was amazed turned out well for 40 day vegAttachments
strictly seedleSs
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so you dont grow vert then? my man jig is the master of space/lumens/yield. read through his journal. and yeah "to each their own" , but this is a vert thread.
i may not grow vert doesn;t mean i can't achieve yield per sq foot
) my averages are 1160 dry grams per 1000 watt that's 4640 wet grams vert has it's purpose don't get me wrong but being a vert thread lets talk about vertical lighting compared to horizontal with reflector as your aware most city street lights are horizontal why is this could it be they want light shining down onto the street rather then straight across does the sun go between the plant ??? no it rather as well beats down and on the side opf the plant Lets face it we cannot bend lighting in our grow rooms here are some diagrams of actual vertical loss
I hope we are all aware light that hits under the plant leafs are not good right
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jigfresh
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So your coming onto the vertical thread to tell us how vertical growing isn't as good as horizontal? Are you dutch by any chance?
I for one grow vertical because I have a tall and narrow closet. I can get more grow area using the walls as opposed to the footprint. I think that's why most of us here grow like that. Plain and simple. And that's the truth.
The "sun hits a plant from directly above a plant" argument is quite silly in my book. Does the sun not shine as it is rising and setting? Also... the leaves will adjust themselves to aim at the light where ever it is. So we aren't lighting the underside of leaves.
And what on earth do street lights have to do with anything? We are growing plants, not lighting the neighborhood.
I for one grow vertical because I have a tall and narrow closet. I can get more grow area using the walls as opposed to the footprint. I think that's why most of us here grow like that. Plain and simple. And that's the truth.
The "sun hits a plant from directly above a plant" argument is quite silly in my book. Does the sun not shine as it is rising and setting? Also... the leaves will adjust themselves to aim at the light where ever it is. So we aren't lighting the underside of leaves.
And what on earth do street lights have to do with anything? We are growing plants, not lighting the neighborhood.
bassman999
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I am laughing here guys sorry.
I havent been in Jigs closet or DSTs vert grow area, but I KNOW that they are growing fire and very efficiently I might add. We dont need to measure penis length here.
Lighting-your buds look very nice btw, regardless of the light you used the end result and your happiness is all that matters.
I havent been in Jigs closet or DSTs vert grow area, but I KNOW that they are growing fire and very efficiently I might add. We dont need to measure penis length here.
Lighting-your buds look very nice btw, regardless of the light you used the end result and your happiness is all that matters.
Yes bin there done it ) i am not trying to start nothing guys if it works for you guys then great i had opportunity to try couple vertical eco systems 140 plant systems now i wish i would of gave them a try just cause
but if it works for your set up then thats great i will always grow horizontal scrog style i will shortly post a journal 16 plant 8000 watt goal is 681 + grams per plant dry 43,584 wet grams
) i am not trying to start nothing guys if it works for you guys then great i had opportunity to try couple vertical eco systems 140 plant systems now i wish i would of gave them a try just cause but if it works for your set up then thats great i will always grow horizontal scrog style i will shortly post a journal 16 plant 8000 watt goal is 681 + grams per plant dry 43,584 wet grams
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No disrespect, but your analogy of the street light, as well as your diagram, is irreverent in correlation to growing bare bulb vertical.i may not grow vert doesn;t mean i can't achieve yield per sq foot
Lets face it we cannot bend lighting in our grow rooms here are some diagrams of actual vertical loss
I hope we are all aware light that hits under the plant leafs are not good right
Flat grows require a focused light, where vertical grows do not. Because HID's cast light 360 degrees, vertical setups can take advantage of this. I've been growing vertical sog for a while now, and I assure you I achieve more square footage at a higher efficiency than your flat grow.
Example; one candle puts out a total of 12.5 lumens in all directions, but only one of twelve lumens actually falls onto a square foot of plants @ 12". Thus, there is only "1 lumen" directed on the plants, and the other 11.5 lumens are shooting off into different directions. Using a reflector on a flat grow, redirects (focuses) some of the lost lumens back to the plants. In essence, by using a hood on your flat growing area, you are simply redirecting, otherwise wasted light.
I'll give you one thing, if you're honestly getting over a gram per watt in a flat grow, you're doing something right, the down side is, you could be getting near 2 gram/watt going vertical.
i think that if you are really good at canopy management then horizontal or dished/v is the way to go.
the surface area of the canopy will diminish as the plant grows towards the light whearas a horizontal your canopy size stays the same.
also diffuse light from a reflector is better used and better penetrates the canopy because it doesnt come from a point source.
most vert growers would struggle to beat the gpw yields i achieve in horizontal scrog.
​another thing that is seldom mentioned about vert vs horizontal is that you get more buds in a given area in horizontal because they are 'packed' more efficiently -
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rather than vert which is more like this
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again, im not saying that vert is rubbish - just that i think some of the vert guys talk about high yields much more than actually achieve them.
i pretty much always get 1gpw and have had upwards of 1.5 gpw in my horizontal scrogs,
but at the end if the day what matters is that you find the method that works best for you and try to make the most of it in your situation.
the surface area of the canopy will diminish as the plant grows towards the light whearas a horizontal your canopy size stays the same.
also diffuse light from a reflector is better used and better penetrates the canopy because it doesnt come from a point source.
most vert growers would struggle to beat the gpw yields i achieve in horizontal scrog.
​another thing that is seldom mentioned about vert vs horizontal is that you get more buds in a given area in horizontal because they are 'packed' more efficiently -
like this
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rather than vert which is more like this
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again, im not saying that vert is rubbish - just that i think some of the vert guys talk about high yields much more than actually achieve them.
i pretty much always get 1gpw and have had upwards of 1.5 gpw in my horizontal scrogs,
but at the end if the day what matters is that you find the method that works best for you and try to make the most of it in your situation.
well were i am from and prob 99 percent of everyone plant count dictates jail time so in order to get good yields you need big pots root mass = yield
i believe in vert>horizontal but the vert section has gotten out of control as far as hyping vert over horizontal......
youll watch the majority of those cats fail miserably cause they get caught up in ridiculous expectations.
the combination of high numbers, weak clones, and vert lighting is a recipe for disaster if you try to run before you can walk.
i believe in vert>horizontal but the vert section has gotten out of control as far as hyping vert over horizontal......
youll watch the majority of those cats fail miserably cause they get caught up in ridiculous expectations.
the combination of high numbers, weak clones, and vert lighting is a recipe for disaster if you try to run before you can walk.
jigfresh
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So that's where you are coming from. Was wondering what your issue was. I don't think anyone in this thread is out of control making ridiculous claims. Nor do I think anyone in this thread is responsible for the entire vert section. Maybe you should caution everyone with your own thread to save them from disaster.
genuity
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this^^is some good info,it is always better to crawl befor you can walk,that is the point of this thread.
bassman999
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Damn bro those musta been some big girls 463 outta 3 BBK!!I jarred up my most recent harvest and with just four plants, I have 463gm of BBK (3 plants) and 97gm of DK (1 plant).