Are Public Schools Harming OUR kids?!!

[abandonconflict]

bring back school spankings imo

Child abuse is when you don't smack your kids for being dumb asses.

SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND DO YOUR FUCKING HOME WORK!


years later...thanks dad, I can actually wipe my own ass.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

Punch them in the fucken face... that'll learn 'em.

 

[*BUDS]

No not really but catholic schools are as the priests are fucking the male students up the ass at will so best you look into religious schools first. I dont hear of 1000's compensation claims against public school teachers. amen

 

[UncleBuck]

When i moved from NY to FL in 11th grade i learned that in FL high schools most students still are in a reading class, and being that i had not lived in the state and passed that class because it is pritty much assumed in NY that if you cant read you shouldn't be in high school. I had to take the required class, it was reading a one page article and answering 10 questions on it SIMPLE and yet there was kids taking the class for the 3rd time WTF. Also not to mention in 11th grade social studies we were learning about the fucking american revolution that shit is learned in the 6th grade in NY. Public education varies to much from state to state to be called any thing close to a success, it seems like as time goes on we have less kids graduating from normal education and more from "Adult Education" witch is basically college and that as far as my experience is every thing is pritty much self taught.

i went from NJ to AZ in 9th grade and was astounded at how retarded things get when you move away from the northeast as well.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well if you actually had any cognizant thought as you read my post you would perhaps find that I am all TOO AWARE of the fact that we don't live in that America anymore. But UB still thinks that children should not be raised by parents because the parents should be out working, instead let school be the day care center, that is, after all, what most of them are turning out to be. Glorified day care centers for the youth of America. If you have no children (UB has NONE) then you have no skin in the game and I doubt you really ever gave it much more than a passing thought.

Umm if all that growth is what made a single working parent home possible, how come a single parent working household was the norm from 1776-1973? instead of just 1946-1971? That doesn't fit into your hypothesis at all. Even during the depression a single parent working home was the norm. People hunted before 1946, so growth of that nature doesn't explain that at all. In fact the unprecedented growth of the USA after WW2 doesn't explain ANY of those things I listed. Your Hypothesis is wrong.

so, what i'm getting from you is that the solution is to give our kids hunting rifles and old ford trucks. also, make it so that only one parent works so that one is dependent on the other, thus facilitating a situation for domestic violence to occur.

"i fell down the stairs". "yes, officer, she fell down the stairs. i'm not sure what the neighbors heard".

the government should be in the business of subsidizing overalls and hay that you can stick between your teeth, and infrastructure improvements should be limited to hills that are uphill both ways between the school and home, as well as covered in snow to boot.

but what do we do with the darkies?

 

[hippiechick420]

the schools are teaching them lies and what the government wants. since the government funds the schools they have total control over them. and the government lied to everyone. they are trying to brain wash kids so they follow the "establishment" when they grow up and don't question it.

 

[Mr Neutron]

I don't have the bandwidth to watch the video but as far as the question "are public schools harming our kids?" goes... irreparably.

 

[UncleBuck]

the schools are teaching them lies and what the government wants. since the government funds the schools they have total control over them. and the government lied to everyone. they are trying to brain wash kids so they follow the "establishment" when they grow up and don't question it.

imagine how great this country would be if the schools taught our children to fight the establishment at every turn and lay about in the grass painting peace signs on each other's faces while dropping acid.

 

[Mr Neutron]

so, what i'm getting from you is that the solution is to give our kids hunting rifles and old ford trucks. also, make it so that only one parent works so that one is dependent on the other, thus facilitating a situation for domestic violence to occur.

So what I am getting from you is that every household that has one parent staying home and the other parent providing, there is domestic violence.
See how that works?

 

[UncleBuck]

So what I am getting from you is that every household that has one parent staying home and the other parent providing, there is domestic violence.
See how that works?

you obviously are missing the allusions to an era when domestic violence was rampant and swept under the rug.

 

[abandonconflict]

Yeah domestic violence is a problem, I'm not trying to suggest kids deserve beatings, but parents should reinforce discipline such that children apply themselves in school as opposed to suggesting that we are better off with millions of uneducated poor people.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Well if you actually had any cognizant thought as you read my post you would perhaps find that I am all TOO AWARE of the fact that we don't live in that America anymore. But UB still thinks that children should not be raised by parents because the parents should be out working, instead let school be the day care center, that is, after all, what most of them are turning out to be. Glorified day care centers for the youth of America. If you have no children (UB has NONE) then you have no skin in the game and I doubt you really ever gave it much more than a passing thought.

Umm if all that growth is what made a single working parent home possible, how come a single parent working household was the norm from 1776-1973? instead of just 1946-1971? That doesn't fit into your hypothesis at all. Even during the depression a single parent working home was the norm. People hunted before 1946, so growth of that nature doesn't explain that at all. In fact the unprecedented growth of the USA after WW2 doesn't explain ANY of those things I listed. Your Hypothesis is wrong.

I'm not UB, so I won't comment on what he thinks

What I think is public education in the US, and most educators would agree with me, needs to be completely overhauled. At that point, both parents working would be a successful model. As it is, you're exactly right, public schools serve for the most part as day care centers. The ratio of teachers to actual educators in my experience is probably something like 5:1, a lot of them aren't there to actually teach people.

Your assumption that someone without kids wouldn't give the policy of public education much thought is not well thought out. We interact with people every single day, the more intelligent someone is, the better, right? I can think of a billion different things that would change for the better if more people were simply smarter. Public education should be much more important to people, but when was the last time you heard a crazy person admit they were crazy... (stupid people don't think they're stupid)

My guess would be homes were much more conservative before the economic success of the 50's. They didn't require (not to mention the regulations that weren't in place until workers/womens movements) women to work to pay the bills. While homes got bigger, wages remained stagnant for the lower-middle class. Now we're left with the result of a financial crisis with incredibly high costs of living and low wages.

And about the guns, stupid kids with access to guns shoot up schools often enough that it requires some kind of regulation, even you have to admit that.

 

[Padawanbater2]

the schools are teaching them lies and what the government wants. since the government funds the schools they have total control over them. and the government lied to everyone. they are trying to brain wash kids so they follow the "establishment" when they grow up and don't question it.

Rather that than the other option. Jesus fucking Christ could you imagine how many brain dead retarded religious people we'd have if public schools weren't around?!?!

 

[Mr Neutron]

you obviously are missing the allusions to an era when domestic violence was rampant and swept under the rug.

rotflmao... ok, whatever! I did not miss your ILLUSIONS.

 

[Johnny Retro]

do tell, how many students are accounted for on the budget of an inner city charter school versus on the budget of an inner city public school?

of course you'll have a smaller budget when you have less students, captain obvious. maybe cite a statistic next time.



yep, old conservative canard bullshit. it's the spending that's out of control. right.

education is one of the best value added investments we can make for ourselves as a nation. other nations do it way better than we do, why not take some lessons from them?

Maybe you will do more research instead of the ol' wiki next time? And maybe..just maybe, you would present facts instead of your typical partisan talking points.

http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/notebook/2011/06/29/charter-schools-finally-get-word-their-budgets

"Last year, CPS’ charter high schools got $7,341 per pupil and charter elementary schools got $5,873 per pupil. In comparison, the basic cost per pupil in CPS was $8,765."

http://www.civicfed.org/sites/default/files/Civic Federation Charter School Report.pdf

And could you point out where I said "spending was out of control"? I was pointing out that the public school system DOSEN'T need more funding, like so many people believe. Again UB, please refute with substance and not some lame graph that adds no value what so ever to the conversation.

 

[Johnny Retro]

Another reason why it fails is cause of the damn unions. After tenure, its close to impossible to fire teachers. The education union leaders in D.C, NJ, and NY all went to private schools.. one even said "i had to do well in(private school) if i didn't they would have kicked me out" If thats not hypocisy, im not sure what is. There is no insentive for the teachers to actually EDUCATE kids. When I was going through high school, a kid in my Government class turned in a Spanish packet as homework. It came back marked 19/20. It was funny at the time, but now I see for what it really is. THAT is who our public school system lets teach..

 

[cannabineer]

Education is a basic right, but if you don't value it, don't blame the people trying to give it to you.

Education is not a basic right. It is a privilege. One of the problems in this nation (imo) is too much stuff being called a "right". "Rights" to healthcare, employment, education are artifacts of current political thought ... and the consequence of this is the degradation of the quality of healthcare, employment and education. The "nobody left behind" attitude leads to a paradoxical consequence - a systematic removal of opportunities and incentives to excel. Quickest way to poison a society imo. cn

 

[cannabineer]

so, what i'm getting from you is that the solution is to give our kids hunting rifles and old ford trucks. also, make it so that only one parent works so that one is dependent on the other, thus facilitating a situation for domestic violence to occur.

"i fell down the stairs". "yes, officer, she fell down the stairs. i'm not sure what the neighbors heard".

the government should be in the business of subsidizing overalls and hay that you can stick between your teeth, and infrastructure improvements should be limited to hills that are uphill both ways between the school and home, as well as covered in snow to boot.

but what do we do with the darkies?

 

[abandonconflict]

Education is not a basic right. It is a privilege. One of the problems in this nation (imo) is too much stuff being called a "right". "Rights" to healthcare, employment, education are artifacts of current political thought ... and the consequence of this is the degradation of the quality of healthcare, employment and education. The "nobody left behind" attitude leads to a paradoxical consequence - a systematic removal of opportunities and incentives to excel. Quickest way to poison a society imo. cn

I never said a right to employment, your labor should not be your only commodity, that has a name, wage slavery.

You are suggesting that competition is the only ingredient of innovation.

 

[cannabineer]

I never said a right to employment, your labor should not be your only commodity, that has a name, wage slavery.

You are suggesting that competition is the only ingredient of innovation.

I didn't say you said that. However your post claiming education as a right did start my line of thought.

I am suggesting that competition is a necessary ingredient to a healthy society. Two reasons: 1) There needs to be a way to identify the truly capable and motivated. 2) Removing hardship as a consequence of not performing is false charity imo.

When universal public education became available, it was a marvelous thing. The people of that generation were accustomed to only being able to receive things for which they had to work andor pay. The people of this generation no longer recognize education as a boon and privilege ... rather they feel entitled to it ... and when they do use it, it's usually deemed a chore. They expect it and fail to value it accordingly. The things we value are the ones for which we worked, and the ones we might reasonable stand to lose if we take no care of them. Fostering a sense of entitlement is the Achilles' heel of socially-conscious government ... an unfortunate but very real consequence of human nature. cn