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Mithrandir420

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No there is another option, a lobby, a marijuana lobby that lobby's for legislation favorable to its constituents. We do what the big corporations do but that would require putting aside our differences and focusing on a common goal, just like big pharma does.
And what does a lobby require to be successful?

Tons of money.

Don't forget that part of lobbying is buying politicians. (just like big pharma does) These big corps don't get legislation passed because they have money to buy lobbyists, they get legislation passed because they have money to buy politicians.

(I am of the more cynical point of view when it comes to politics. Been watching it too long, been let down by them too much)
 

missnu

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Well and that is also where all the cash would come in...hard for a weed forum to compete with merck drug company when it comes to lobbying constituents and greasing palms and lining pockets...
 

missnu

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Damn...you beat me to it...
I hate it when that happens...
so sorry to repost the same, but you see that I agree with the cash needed to lobby...that is what lobbying is...
 

curious2garden

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And what does a lobby require to be successful?

Tons of money.
That's obvious. That is precisely why I think we have next to zero hope. To get organized and donate the kind of money required with this demographic is likely impossible. Further it would have to be almost everyone in the target demographic not just this forum.
 

Dan Kone

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No there is another option, a lobby, a marijuana lobby that lobby's for legislation favorable to its constituents. We do what the big corporations do but that would require putting aside our differences and focusing on a common goal, just like big pharma does.
A unified lobby making significant campaign contributions is the only way to stop this non-sense. That's how policy gets made now a days. If politicians thought there would be enough money in it for them, they would make it legal. They don't give a shit about bud either way, it's just right now they have more financial incentives to bust people than leave them alone. That dynamic needs to be changed before any more significant progress is made.
 

Dan Kone

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And what does a lobby require to be successful?

Tons of money.

Don't forget that part of lobbying is buying politicians. (just like big pharma does) These big corps don't get legislation passed because they have money to buy lobbyists, they get legislation passed because they have money to buy politicians.

(I am of the more cynical point of view when it comes to politics. Been watching it too long, been let down by them too much)
There is tons of money right now. A lobby also requires unification. Something that dispensaries seem to have little interest in doing at the moment. Eventually people will have to stop perusing their own day to day self interests and willing to contribute to something more permanent or this will all fall apart.

And yes, they do get legislation because they buy lobbyists. The lobbyists are the ones who buy the politicians. Who ever is paying those lobbyists is making the rules.

If all the dispensaries in America would donate 1 or 2% of their income to a single superpac donating to candidates who support legalization, it would be legal tomorrow.
 

curious2garden

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There is tons of money right now. A lobby also requires unification. Something that dispensaries seem to have little interest in doing at the moment. Eventually people will have to stop perusing their own day to day self interests and willing to contribute to something more permanent or this will all fall apart.

And yes, they do get legislation because they buy lobbyists. The lobbyists are the ones who buy the politicians. Who ever is paying those lobbyists is making the rules.

If all the dispensaries in America would donate 1 or 2% of their income to a single superpac donating to candidates who support legalization, it would be legal tomorrow.
Dan you are so right! But the problem is everyone is to busy trying to get theirs. They seem to forget that huge loophole, the Controlled Substances Act. That seems to be big pharma's wild card. If we don't get our ducks in a row and put aside our differences big pharma will walk in and take it all away when they are ready. The DEA and US Politicians will simply say well we tried and 'the populace' couldn't be trusted with it.

I think the only reason that hasn't already occurred is big pharma has some issues bringing a Cannabis solution online. It wasn't as simple as the Opium -> Morphine Sulphate solution from the 1930's. But based on the stepped up DEA actions I'm betting they are just about ready.
 

Mithrandir420

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There is tons of money right now. A lobby also requires unification. Something that dispensaries seem to have little interest in doing at the moment. Eventually people will have to stop perusing their own day to day self interests and willing to contribute to something more permanent or this will all fall apart.

And yes, they do get legislation because they buy lobbyists. The lobbyists are the ones who buy the politicians. Who ever is paying those lobbyists is making the rules.

If all the dispensaries in America would donate 1 or 2% of their income to a single superpac donating to candidates who support legalization, it would be legal tomorrow.
Compared to pharma and some of the other big industries I think there is pounds of money. Pharma has tons. :D Also, another big lobby/industry that has vested interests in keeping it illegal is the police and jailers unions. They are one of the more powerful lobbies in California, and cannabis helps keep them in business.

And then there is the question of the elephant in the room. If it was legalized, how much would the price drop? Would it drop so far that it's no longer worth it for any but the largest producers to grow and sell it? I think that many many people who make a living at it are torn... on the one hand they want it legal. No one should have to sit in jail over cannabis and we all know it. On the other hand complete legalization likely means a severe price drop. I know of at least 2 people who if that was to happen would have very few other career options.

Legalization can be a thorny issue. Personally I would love to see it regulated (and declassified at the fed level) so I could open a canna coffee shop or a cannabis "vineyard". People go wine tasting? They can go cannabis tasting, too! I would love to be a completely legal cannabis entrepreneur.
 

curious2garden

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Compared to pharma and some of the other big industries I think there is pounds of money. Pharma has tons. :D Also, another big lobby/industry that has vested interests in keeping it illegal is the police and jailers unions. They are one of the more powerful lobbies in California, and cannabis helps keep them in business.

And then there is the question of the elephant in the room. If it was legalized, how much would the price drop? Would it drop so far that it's no longer worth it for any but the largest producers to grow and sell it? I think that many many people who make a living at it are torn... on the one hand they want it legal. No one should have to sit in jail over cannabis and we all know it. On the other hand complete legalization likely means a severe price drop. I know of at least 2 people who if that was to happen would have very few other career options.

Legalization can be a thorny issue. Personally I would love to see it regulated (and declassified at the fed level) so I could open a canna coffee shop or a cannabis "vineyard". People go wine tasting? They can go cannabis tasting, too! I would love to be a completely legal cannabis entrepreneur.
Mithrandir420, yes almost everyone here is aware of these issues and many more associated ones. If you look back amongst the posts, in this forum alone, you'll see we've all posted on just these subjects several times in just the few months I've been here. The problem is getting enough people with disparate interests to put aside their differences and agree on the bare minimum of legislation needed to make Cannabis legal.

As you, Dan, myself and many others have pointed out this will require money and since we are not a homogenous population like a single mega corporation that is able to devote whatever money is required to achieve it's goals we will have to voluntarily band together since we do not a single funding source. That is what is killing us, our inability to put all the smaller details aside and focus on preserving Cannabis in a wine like model. Then we have to respect the gigantic infrastructure built around prison, healthcare industry etc.... and answer many of those questions to show we would be a responsible share holder instead of infighting children.
 

209 Cali closet grower

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hey there from merced :-P I'm right there by you.I guess you didn't see this [video=youtube;DpOkT5NeDgE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DpOkT5NeDgE[/video]
 

Dan Kone

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Smart of them to keep talking about it as a states rights issue.

...Also, notice the only person speaking out against MMJ was from a tobacco growing state.
 

curious2garden

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also it passed^
At the end they took a verbal vote and the speaker said that the no's have it. So no it didn't pass. They called for a vote so there would be a record so voters who follow this could decide who to vote in or out. But even passing the House it still has to make it through the Senate. Big Pharma seems to have it's representatives well in hand.
 

curious2garden

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Damn I though it did, mybad everyone.:sad:
Nah, not bad at all. I wish it had passed too. It was frightening to hear. The only person standing up for the opposition was illiterate. The fact they voted it down without rationally stating opposition tells me the fix is in. We NEED a cohesive lobby and we need it fast.

I feel like the old guy down on skid row who carries a sign saying, "Repent, the end is near!" LOL I hope I am wrong. But wrong or right if we don't do something big pharma will.
 

itsaplant

Active Member
Dan Kone you say tons of words!

Redding Ca getting hammed right now. 215 protection in question. SB420 in question.
At best they are actually pulling plants.

I know this is bad, far as I can tell its because cannabis IS MEDICINE and in my house we quit all big pharma drugs,
No antidepressants
No asprin,
No prostate meds,

Big pharma, the new old big kid on the block and they sure as hell have a bigger vote then you or me.
 
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