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Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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Nugs,

A quick question, if you have the chance. I work indoors only, with a 3' height restriction (3' for the plant itself) in a 3x3 area. The number of plants is not an issue (1 plant is 'over limit' in my state). Since I don't have the space for a lot of veg time, I imagine that mainlining is not optimal for my setup-- Tell me if you think I'm wrong here.

Also, I typically work with scrog, but really like your modular trellis approach. Do you think your 'rings' would work just as well with LST?

Thanks for your time and consideration. I love the techniques you use, and see that the plants love them just as much. I'm just trying to figure out what's best to 'borrow' from you.
 
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irieie

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Hey nugs looking.killer as usual. Can you go into more about the fade you refer to? This is a part of the flowering process that many don't like to talk about or even acknowledge. Please expound.
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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nitegazer..... i came up with this method because of height and space issues!...that is were it shines!.......rings work awesome for any training really, if the desire is to spread out, manage and support your canopy!...this beauty was 14 inches tall, and harvested well over two zips!
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nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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irieie said:
Hey nugs looking.killer as usual. Can you go into more about the fade you refer to? This is a part of the flowering process that many don't like to talk about or even acknowledge. Please expound.
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you want a good fade in your finished plants bro, that is if you like your smoke to taste, and smell delicious......i like to see the very bottom leaves turn right around day 40, and have the rest of the leaves yellow at harvest around 58 days or so depending on strain.....it will start from the bottom, and move up....it indicates that most of the nutrients (esp. Nitrogen) are used up in the medium, and the plant is carrying mainly water to keep it alive......i don't like green, chlorophyll laden nugs at all...they burn hot, harsh, black, and taste like shit...it is where the "hay" smell comes from when drying, and requires extra curing time to disipate(and often it never does) .......and i avoid that like the plague.....those that believe that organic plants need not be properly flushed, are completly mis-guided, or do not have a connoisseur's pallet for dank...imho of course......a plant can not express its full terpene expression when harvested green and loaded with excess nutrients.
 
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irieie

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nugbuckets said:
you want a good fade in your finished plants bro, that is if you like your smoke to taste, and smell delicious......i like to see the very bottom leaves turn right around day 40, and have the rest of the leaves yellow at harvest around 58 days or so depending on strain.....it will start from the bottom, and move up....it indicates that most of the nutrients (esp. Nitrogen) are used up in the medium, and the plant is carrying mainly water to keep it alive......i don't like green, chlorophyll laden nugs at all...they burn hot, harsh, black, and taste like shit...it is where the "hay" smell comes from when drying, and requires extra curing time to disipate(and often it never does) .......and i avoid that like the plague.....those that believe that organic plants need not be properly flushed, are completly mis-guided, or do not have a connoisseur's pallet for dank...imho of course......a plant can not express its full terpene expression when harvested green and loaded with excess nutrients.
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I agree with this stance 100% and have found the same thing with my plants. I think this is a missed lesson for many new growers. It took me a while just by growing to realize this lesson. I also think that the mj plant is a perrenial which means it has a finite life cycle from seed to harvest and I think the flowering is an expression of death.
 
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nugbuckets

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irieie said:
I agree with this stance 100% and have found the same thing with my plants. I think this is a missed lesson for many new growers. It took me a while just by growing to realize this lesson. I also think that the mj plant is a perrenial which means it has a finite life cycle from seed to harvest and I think the flowering is an expression of death.
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...i think you mean "annual", the mature seed must fall from the flower, and replant itself to sprout again as a child....... a perrenial grows from the same bulb, rhizome, or root mass of the same plant each year.....if mj does not get pollinated....its all over........flowers are for making seed, like any other annual....;-)
 
PakaloloHui

PakaloloHui

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The stalk and branches from the Amish mix is incredible. Would you snap us a close up comparison of the two, if you don't mind?
 
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irieie

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nugbuckets said:
...i think you mean "annual", the mature seed must fall from the flower, and replant itself to sprout again as a child....... a perrenial grows from the same bulb, rhizome, or root mass of the same plant each year.....if mj does not get pollinated....its all over........flowers are for making seed, like any other annual....;-)
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My bad I have a tendency to mix up dichotomies. Thanks for the catch.
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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irieie said:
I agree with this stance 100% and have found the same thing with my plants. I think this is a missed lesson for many new growers. It took me a while just by growing to realize this lesson. I also think that the mj plant is a perrenial which means it has a finite life cycle from seed to harvest and I think the flowering is an expression of death.
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MJ is an annual bro...only lives one season. (edit: woops, didn't read down the thread)

An experssion of death. Interesting mindset...

Many new growers have learnt that the weed they buy off the street needs to be flushed or it tastes worse...it's why I think that a lot of new growers bang on about having to flush marijuana or it doesn't taste good. These are the same people that think hydro is the only way to go. I just sigh when non-nerds tell me to flush and how they know how to grow dope ganja.
 
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irieie

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The flowers are the next generation of the plant and we pick them primarily in their later stages of development. The plant puts all the energy into the reproductive organs and sacrifices the nonreproductive organs. Its a different perspective I guess.
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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I don't really see it as a death thing though. I sometimes think the plant 'enjoys' (for lack of a better word - our languages lack that part...so think botany of desire here) growing at all stages of life. Like if sinsemilla were like a clucky mum and a seeded plant as a happy/proud mother. Both totally content.
 
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irieie

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'ome Grown said:
I don't really see it as a death thing though. I sometimes think the plant 'enjoys' (for lack of a better word - our languages lack that part...so think botany of desire here) growing at all stages of life. Like if sinsemilla were like a clucky mum and a seeded plant as a happy/proud mother. Both totally content.
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I try not to see plants as experiencing human emotions. Death is as much a part of life as joy or happiness. Botany of desire, isn't that a documentary with Micheal.pollen? Great movie, it changed my perspective on plants in general. That Guy wrote a great book called in defense of food.
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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Yeah, botany of desire is a PBS documentary by michael pollen...he also wrote the omnivore's dilemma and food rules (both great books). The reason I used human emotions is because at one point Michael Pollen talks about how our language doesn't have words specifically for the emotions we personify plants with - reasons it with culture vs nature. There is another documentary called Dirt - the movie. One farmer explains how they rest a bed with a green manure that they let seed and die - as a content mother. Just highlighted to me again how we personify plants.
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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'ome Grown said:
Yeah, botany of desire is a PBS documentary by michael pollen...he also wrote the omnivore's dilemma and food rules (both great books). The reason I used human emotions is because at one point Michael Pollen talks about how our language doesn't have words specifically for the emotions we personify plants with - reasons it with culture vs nature. There is another documentary called Dirt - the movie. One farmer explains how they rest a bed with a green manure that they let seed and die - as a content mother. Just highlighted to me again how we personify plants.
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the botony of desire is one of my favorite books.......they did a fine job with the movie too.......i like the way irieie puts it, the sacrifice.....we certainly want all remaining energy to go into the calyxes for resin production, and swelling, not to keep old leaves alive.........i think i understand what irieie said about an expression of death.....there is a desperation element going on with sensimilla....no doubt.......i know we can all agree that life, death, whatever.....it is a thing of beauty!
 
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