Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

Dan Kone

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power 5,7, king, sun, magic, are all n-butane. C4H10 and isobutane is CH3CH(CH3)2. You see I have an issue spending $10 for a can of butane, but I get the 2.75 oz cans of ronson for $3.00 out the door. It would cost $9 for 3 cans which costs the same as vector, but its just a mental issue I guess. Power5 has a good price for a box, but the yield is so much smaller and its not nearly as clean as Ronson. Major and minor league differences.
Any cosmic differences? Difference in color of the extracts with these different brands?
 

oilmkr420

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Does Ronson make larger cans?
This was the same territory needing convincing prior to use. The fact is that little < 3oz bottle yielded more than power 7 which is 10 oz. How? Idk myself, but the results when extraction was completed easily turned this newbie extractor buying all my Ronson, and the shop needed to order more. So yes ronson makes bigger cans up to 35 refills, 20 refills, 11 refills, and I believe Ive seen a 7 fill ultra baby can. But it can be obtained at lots of 7-11 stores.
 

oilmkr420

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Dude the wax was nearly white w a yellow hue. I wanted to snap a picture, but my camera was dead, then blasted the power 7 right after trying to segregate it, but it donated a lot of itself to the power 7 tane and couldn't isolate the two, had no more cookers and instantaneous believers. The product was way fresher than 7xrefined bs. No comparison.
 

Dan Kone

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Dude the wax was nearly white w a yellow hue. I wanted to snap a picture, but my camera was dead, then blasted the power 7 right after trying to segregate it, but it donated a lot of itself to the power 7 tane and couldn't isolate the two, had no more cookers and instantaneous believers. The product was way fresher than 7xrefined bs. No comparison.
Interesting. I'll look into that.

Have you tried newport butane?
 

oilmkr420

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The pot was decarboxylated prior to extraction to ensure all the excess moisture has been removed, render the cannabinoids non-polar, and turning the acid forms neutral. THCA-THC, CBNA-CBN,CBDA-CBD, etc. It was done at 220F for about 20 mins for an oz. Larger batches require longer times and rotation of plant matter so that the bottom and middle get to the top and thoroughly dried.
 

oilmkr420

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Ive used just about every butane there was until I found the hook up on ronson. Its going to be the new affordable vector. You see I don't require complete saturation of plant matter to have a good co2 extraction. It's only 9 grams of co-solvent needed for every pound of dry ice. So usually whatever is available at the time works, but I'm going to be using bronson by the case, It's that much better. I really use it for color preservation as og honey oil can be darker due to a water percentage in the ethanol. As little as 5% water can lead to dark colored extracts, so I cut back and replace that w butane or isobutane from now on. Man I had really typed a paper worthy of an award winning grant. And it lost all my efforts like if I can just type it over again.
 

Dan Kone

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Ive used just about every butane there was until I found the hook up on ronson. Its going to be the new affordable vector. You see I don't require complete saturation of plant matter to have a good co2 extraction. It's only 9 grams of co-solvent needed for every pound of dry ice. So usually whatever is available at the time works, but I'm going to be using bronson by the case, It's that much better. I really use it for color preservation as og honey oil can be darker due to a water percentage in the ethanol. As little as 5% water can lead to dark colored extracts, so I cut back and replace that w butane or isobutane from now on. Man I had really typed a paper worthy of an award winning grant. And it lost all my efforts like if I can just type it over again.
Please do. I'll be interested.
 

oilmkr420

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So those newbies only seen the liquid phase extraction done, I asked them if they purged it out and they said yupyup. So I took a dab of there stuff and cindged again. Crippled in the lungs, I told them you don't just dry it w a simple evaporation, broke out some acetone and splashed a cap size amount over an extraction we just didand placed it under a heat lamp to evaporate the acetone and leave it free of any tane and ensure complete evaporation of acetone is employed. will post some picts as soon as I get my laptop charger.1350761907716.jpg1350818014996.jpgIMG_20121020_123128.jpgthis is isobutane under purged. Tane is visable and locked in there. my phone charger isn't recognizing the computers cant upload after acetone cleans up the extract. Not w the extraction but a final addition to be subtracted.
 

irieie

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Here is the msds info for vector
SUBSTANCE: Butane Percent: 60.00 CAS#: 106-87-8 Synonyms:
SUBSTANCE: iso-Butane n-Butane, Tetrane Percent: 29.00 CAS#: 75-28-5 Synonyms:
SUBSTANCE: Propane Percent: 11.00 CAS#: 75-98-6 Synonyms: 2-Methylpropane, Trlmethylethane LPG, Dimethylmethane, Propylhydride

Vector still has more iso and n butane.
Dont be a fucking cheap ass on butane, its fucking 5$ a can.
 

oilmkr420

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Vector here in California SFV 818, Vector is $10 a can. Ronson had 24% iso-butane, 54%n-butane, 22% propane. Thanks irieie. But like myself and Eden say, propane is an excellent solvent of choice, but when used w a supercritical fluid extraction you only need 9 grams per pound of co2. So it makes sense what combination their putting together for people like us to really appreciate. Airgas has bulk gas. Isobutane is one of them and I do believe it's a CGA 350 or that may be hexane? Fuck Eden may hire a hit man and have me put down. Just blabbing all kind of game for any reasonably intelligent person to follow! So believe me when I say that I will lead an industry that is green by nature and apply it's main principles which is, to improve the quality of life w out any negative impact on the environment and one's health, is the main principle of green chemistry. Find uses for normally waste products, and put them to use, and make another product w it. That's exactly what supercritical carbon dioxide is, using the co2 which is a bi-product of making industrial ammonia, and before it sublimes to the atmosphere, we use it as a solvent that makes another product from a normally waste product(trim), so there isn't an increase in more greenhouse gas, we use what's there and it's ecologically friendly being used by plant life, giving us oxygen. It's just basic science.
 

biglungs

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Vector here in California SFV 818, Vector is $10 a can. Ronson had 24% iso-butane, 54%n-butane, 22% propane. Thanks irieie. But like myself and Eden say, propane is an excellent solvent of choice, but when used w a supercritical fluid extraction you only need 9 grams per pound of co2. So it makes sense what combination their putting together for people like us to really appreciate. Airgas has bulk gas. Isobutane is one of them and I do believe it's a CGA 350 or that may be hexane? Fuck Eden may hire a hit man and have me put down. Just blabbing all kind of game for any reasonably intelligent person to follow! So believe me when I say that I will lead an industry that is green by nature and apply it's main principles which is, to improve the quality of life w out any negative impact on the environment and one's health, is the main principle of green chemistry. Find uses for normally waste products, and put them to use, and make another product w it. That's exactly what supercritical carbon dioxide is, using the co2 which is a bi-product of making industrial ammonia, and before it sublimes to the atmosphere, we use it as a solvent that makes another product from a normally waste product(trim), so there isn't an increase in more greenhouse gas, we use what's there and it's ecologically friendly being used by plant life, giving us oxygen. It's just basic science.

 

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Dan Kone

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Here is the msds info for vector
SUBSTANCE: Butane Percent: 60.00 CAS#: 106-87-8 Synonyms:
SUBSTANCE: iso-Butane n-Butane, Tetrane Percent: 29.00 CAS#: 75-28-5 Synonyms:
SUBSTANCE: Propane Percent: 11.00 CAS#: 75-98-6 Synonyms: 2-Methylpropane, Trlmethylethane LPG, Dimethylmethane, Propylhydride

Vector still has more iso and n butane.
Dont be a fucking cheap ass on butane, its fucking 5$ a can.
Know where to find the MSDS on power5?
 

Dan Kone

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what do you expect to find so different than other butane? How does it differ from iso-butane msds?
Just trying to find the can with the least propane. The extracts I've seen made with near pure n- or iso-butane come out looking a really nice white color. I want that.
 

berad4guvna

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That picture shows your BHO. not fully purged? I use Vector, and my shit looks like yellow hash, and is chunky like good hash! You need to whip your BHO. If it looks caramely it's not fully refined.

I base this off your Avatar picture.
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If I'm wrong please correct me.

The ~ Guvna
 

oilmkr420

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Just trying to find the can with the least propane. The extracts I've seen made with near pure n- or iso-butane come out looking a really nice white color. I want that.
Airgas bro has the specialty gas dept. You can get isobutane, n-butane, propane, hexane, what ever gas you want. Nitrous oxide, I've used nitric oxide for pressure, any gas can be used that is liquid under pressure.co2 proof 162.jpgChunky? Yellow is only part of it, the flavanoid portion. Dont forget the cannabinoids and terpinoids in there too. Co2/ EtOH/Hexane/Butane formulated personally.
 

oilmkr420

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Maybe Ronsons success is owed to propane and methyl propane combination as I though Ronson was a pure isobutane. Learn new things everyday!
 
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