4 weeks budding under cfl and really small buds burnt leaves??

[420newbieg]

I have this supposed purple plant its been budding for about 4 weeks it has been topped 2 times leaves are getting crispy brown where turning yellow now there kinda browning and dry and brittle i cut off a bunch of bud blockers a week and a half ago along with some browing curling looking ones. Today i trimmed off a few more browning tip and edge ones and a couple that where blocking big bud sites.

I realize i prolly fed it too much i was using bonemeal and alil guano. I have since flushed. So anyways the buds appear tiny allover the plant I gave it some molasses and after 2 days they seem like they might have gotten alil fatter but really there puney.

I had been told that if you take a couple bottom lower buds/branches off then the top half with the bigger buds will grow much bigger and pack on weight??? is this true??? i hope i dident ruin my crop completely in not really a newbie but im not really an expert.

Plant is in a big plastic pot over 5 gallon id say and has fox farm ocean forest for soil and is about 6-6-1/2 ft tall from the bottom of the pot to the top of the top cola. Lighting is one 65w 300w eqi cfl 2700k and one 55w 200w eqi 2700k and the walls have mylar film on them cheapo thin blankets.

From the looks of it there is maybe an eighth wet. Kinda terriable if you think about it i vegged for 2-1/2-3 months it was getting too tall for the light even after 2 toppings so i flowered her. last week i added a second light to help the thing grow bigger buds. A 200w which hangs and points at the side alil more then half way up the plant and the other light is above the main cola im running out of room hopefully it stops stretching .

The current light cycle as of last week is 14/10 a guy told me to do that to make it bud quicker dont know if this is true.

 

[sensisensai]

So u have 3cfl on a 6 foot plant?

 

[brimck325]

Read read read

 

[intenseneal]

You need way way more lighting.

 

[SunnyJim]

Chalk this down to a learning experience. To me, the plant is way too big for the amount of light you have surrounding her. 2.5 months vegging is crazy. When you start the flowering light cycle, assume that your plant will triple in size from the end of the vegging cycle to the end of the flowering cycle. CFLs aren't good for flowering plants that size, unless you have loads of bulbs surrounding the plant.

For your next grow, if you don't want to invest in more lighting, I would veg my plant for around 4 weeks and then start flowering her. Keep her short and her canopy even by training her, either LST or a ScrOG. CFLs have poor light penetration, so by training her, you can maximize bud exposure to light. Anything 1 foot away from the cfl won't be getting enough light, so keep the plant/buds to within a couple inches of the bulbs.

Also, pics help.

 

[siq]

i got 8 23watt cfls 2700k on 1 plant. with the lights about 2-3" away. 4 top lighting and 2 on each side. i ran CFL the whole time besides a dinky led light pad for a week. I used 6500k for veg and veged for about 4-5weeks 24/0, and 1 week transition 18/6 then went to 12/12. my plant is currently 18" from soil to kola. i had to pluck alot of nodes due to a calcium problem. after nugs start to grow. i tied down my smaller nods to get better light. my Kola is probably 8-10" of nug's.

I would add more lights. go with smaller ones u can cover more area, CFLs rays dont penetrate very good. so the more the better!

Good luck. post a few pictures if u can.

 

[420newbieg]

thanks guys ill try that i dident think of that i figured if a 400w hps is enough for one plant that 500w cfl would be close but as you all say prolly not and btw ive added the 200w to the side and the 300w is over the top cola in a big clamp light fixture. What i will do is get another fixture and add another light ill prolly just use 4 small bulbs

 

[420newbieg]

So u have 3cfl on a 6 foot plant?

no just 2 big cfls one 200 eqi and one 300 eqi

 

[ipeeinpools]

no just 2 big cfls one 200 eqi and one 300 eqi

Equivalent doesn't matter, its the actual that matters. So your only running 120W to your plant...And remember your using CFL's. The light isn't reaching properly to 4 to 5 feet of your plant...I do what siq does, I run 5 lights and place them at different spots, top and sides, about 2" away. Lighting. Matters.

 

[420newbieg]

well what i did do was add 2 bulbs to the 2 big ones now ive got a totoal of 4 2 big cfl and 2 26w 100w eqi nopefully this will fatten something up

 

[siq]

if u got a 6foot plant ur gonna need more. i got 10 on a 18" plant. 8 23w and 2 42w, try more like 14, cfls are cheap and easy to make a ghetto set up. but for a 6foot plant ur going to need lots of lights. Unless u ran T5's then u cover more area.View attachment 2462344 simple and easy. got about 60$ in lights and over head i made.

 

[420newbieg]

yeah but im using 4 lights all from one outlet plug i dont wanna overload and cause fire or something havent figured out how many more i can run off of a 15amp circut i believe. I could get a few more. Idk so far it almost looks like a half oz and the buds are starting to get red hairs a couple of them ill hit it with some molasses water tomorrow and then wait a couple days and hit it with reg water im thinking its gonna finish off here soon. Too bad becuase it appears that there aint many more weeks left doubt much more weight will pack on. The most id be able to add is say 2 more lights. the place im using was already skeptical about the extra 2 i added

 

[minnesmoker]

On one circuit, I run:
Overhead: 4x40w 6500k 48" T12s, 2x40w 2700k 48" T12s, 4x65W 6500K, 4x23W 6500K, 4x23 2700K
Soil Level: (each bin) 1 23W 6500K, 1 23w 2700K, 1x13w 7000K (mini tube, trouble-light style CFL)

It's a 30 Amp circuit, but also runs my primary computer, a 22" monitor, and a 43" HD TV. I use a UPS to keep my lights running on clean power, and in case the power goes out during light cycle.

What I'm saying is you can safely run more CFLs, and, unless you want to smoke airy popcorn buds, you definitely SHOULD add more lights! From the sounds of it, you might want to look at getting a couple 48" T8/T12 lights stand them up, one on each side. You can buy the dual bulb lights for 15~20 dollars. The bulbs will run you another 10-20 bucks, get 2 2700K, and 2 5000k/6500k bulbs. That will add 160 watts to your lighting, and you can turn them sideways for side lighting in future grows. I'd also definitely recommend a UPS, so that you have clean power feeding the lights (reduces flicker and will help make your bulbs last longer!)

 

[jhod58vw]

You should be fine more lights the better. Check out some of my grow forums from a few years ago. I ran 20 cfl bulbs with splitters and everything else no problem.

 

[420newbieg]

Well a dumb ass cat went in the room and wouldent get out he just had 2 play the lil fucker ripped a hole threw the mylar film in 2 places. and the hairs are turning orange pretty good now yet the buds are tiny id say even though there is about 20 of them they wouldent weight more then .5 each and the main cola sickning 1.5 grams at most id say dry.

I guess theres nothing i can do at this point the plant is too tall and prolly outgrown the pot. Only thing i can think to do is pull out the microscope and look at a couple buds and hopefully there not fully ready and could still fatten up then ill just have to wait.

Its just not right all that hard work and nothing. A guy on here said bigger pot = more pot well i went with that and figured yeah if we vegged for 3 months instead of 1-1/2 months there would be more canopy bushy after we topped to to increase bud production but i guess as im seeing now bigger taller isnt always better.

You can tell the cola is gonna be leafy im seeing crystals leaf in the main cola.

 

[iiKode]

You need more lighting, and you should have lst'd if you knew you only had 120 actual cfl watts, anyway try your ph, most of my problems relate to the ph being off, now for every 2l i add a drop of lemon juice then dip my finger in the lemon juice and stir the water with my finger takes the ph from 7.3ish to around 6.5ish, next watering try that If you dont own a ph tester, and see if it makes any difference

 

[justanotherbozo]

well what i did do was add 2 bulbs to the 2 big ones now ive got a totoal of 4 2 big cfl and 2 26w 100w eqi nopefully this will fatten something up

...look man, you've already been told to forget the equivalent numbers as they are completely useless, worse then useless because they confuse things, ...that 23watt CFL is a 23watt CFL, PERIOD, ...who gives a rats ass what the manufacturer says it's 'equivalent' too?

...now here is a light fixture you can put together for very small money and in it i used nothing but 23 and 26watt bulbs for approx. 200watts per fixture and i averaged 1/4 lb under each fixture for each cycle.



...and keep in mind that CFLs aren't very intense so if you want them to work for you you have to grow short plants, i ran mine with virtually NO veg time, i rooted them and then i flipped them and even though they started their cycle about 6 - 8 inchs tall they always finished at 18 - 24 inchs, ...so NO vegging or your plants get too tall for CFL light to be effective.

peace, bozo

 

[SunnyJim]

You have to make your cfl lighting work for you. If you don't have space to surround the plant with loads of bulbs, and you're opting for a 'top-down' lighting approach, training your plant is crucial.

I use two 125w maxibright clf bulbs (two blue/white spectrum for vegging, then I swap them out for two red during flowering), and they sit flat about 2 inches from the top of the canopy. My first couple grows, I used the LST technique. It's handy to learn how you can move the plant around, and how much give there is in each branch before they snap. You can learn to pull and tie down branches so the canopy stays flat. All the buds will then get an even coverage of light.

Now, though, I ScrOG a single plant in my box. The screen is 18 inches from the the base of the plant, and I usually veg for about 4 weeks (the time it takes for the top of the plant to reach 18 inches). During flower, the plant will triple in size, so it takes daily maintenance to keep poking the branches back through the screen and spreading them out horizontally. Look for posts relating to LST and ScrOG with cfls. This place has an abundance of material to learn from.

My last grow:

a single dinafem Original Amnesia (freebie seed from my last order)
2 x 125 w maxibright
ScrOG
homemade flood and drain hydroponic system
yielded 80g dried bud

I included a picture of the plant upside down right after I chopped her so you can see the pyramid shape (flat canopy).

 

[420newbieg]

...look man, you've already been told to forget the equivalent numbers as they are completely useless, worse then useless because they confuse things, ...that 23watt CFL is a 23watt CFL, PERIOD, ...who gives a rats ass what the manufacturer says it's 'equivalent' too?

...now here is a light fixture you can put together for very small money and in it i used nothing but 23 and 26watt bulbs for approx. 200watts per fixture and i averaged 1/4 lb under each fixture for each cycle.

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...and keep in mind that CFLs aren't very intense so if you want them to work for you you have to grow short plants, i ran mine with virtually NO veg time, i rooted them and then i flipped them and even though they started their cycle about 6 - 8 inchs tall they always finished at 18 - 24 inchs, ...so NO vegging or your plants get too tall for CFL light to be effective.

peace, bozo

just me lol you got all those lights but hardly any big buds. Last grow i used 6 23w cfls and one small desk t fixture and i had a cola that size as yours last time. I even have pics to prove it no mylar film either.

Plant was 4-1/2 ft tall northern lights haze cross in a 5 gallon bucket.

Seems to me like u dident make use of all that light.

I simply dident calculate light on this plant i got more light total this time but not enough for the size of plant before i had 1 socket with a y adapter in it with 2 more y adapters one on each side of the first adapter looked kinda like spider legs i had that above the plant 4 bulbs then an extention cord with 2 light sockets plugged into it on each side 2 bulbs and that was hanging alil below the top and i got the same size of plant u have

 

[420newbieg]

Also ive herd that darkness increases tric production say on the last day 24/7. Then others say more light produces more???

Im doing 10 on and 14 off but of course i got slight light leak can anyone confirm what is true and what isnt??? will my buds be less potent just because im on 10/14 instead of 12/12. Also have herd the yield would be alot less at 10/14??? How true is this.