A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

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patlpp

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Which Dyna products did you use pat?
Chuck that was Dyna-Gro GROW with pro-tekt, No cal/mag the first 2 weeks because the coco was not new. It was from seed and vegged maybe 40 days (from seed planting)

Here is a plant 100% Coco with Sensi Base 12 ml gal, cal-mag first 2 weeks 3ml/gal, 1/4 ml pro-tekt.



Note some cupping. I decreased the Sensi to 10ml/gal to compensate. Plenty of green and good yields too.

I'm not against Dyna at all, I use it for veg all the time. Here is Sensi, here's your green !!
 

chuck estevez

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Chuck that was Dyna-Gro GROW with pro-tekt, No cal/mag the first 2 weeks because the coco was not new. It was from seed and vegged maybe 40 days (from seed planting) Here is a plant 100% Coco with Sensi Base 12 ml gal, cal-mag first 2 weeks 3ml/gal, 1/4 ml pro-tekt.



Note some cupping. I decreased the Sensi to 10ml/gal to compensate. Plenty of green and good yields too.

I'm not against Dyna at all, I use it for veg all the time. Here is Sensi, here's your green !!
looks awesome,nice job. I have been using nothing but the Foliage pro with incredible success.
 

Situation420

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"A 6 year old" is about right.

Sit, you can do your silly kiddie laugh all you want, but I thought I recommended you shut the fuck UP! Some of us know a bit about gardening and plant processes. You obviously don't but have the audacity to come in here and with a condescending tone, talk shit. There are certain vegetables and fruits which once pulled off the plant/vine/tree DO NOT continue to ripen! Corn is one of them. It holds its brix, sugar, for a while and then over time that sugar turns into starch. Peaches and grapes are another example. Once you get that sugar and chemistry (acids, flavoring compounds) to a certain point on the tree/vine, once harvested, it does NOT change. I grow both and I use a refractometer religiously to determine the peak of flavor, sugar, and ripeness.

Funny, measured one of my cantaloupe yesterday and it came in at a whopping 14*. Could smell the richness across the room from that fruit. I pull it when it's in a stem slip stage. Grapes are sugar sweet with a brix 22-27* at harvest. Average 23-24.



Excuse me? :dunce:

Again......

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There was just so much wrong with what he said before I had to chime in. Apparently you also don't have any knowledge of large scale commercial farming and the distribution systems that they use. Yes what you are saying about corn production was true back in the 80's and early 90's. In order to meet the the current demands farmers and commercial greenhouses had to revolutionize their harvesting and distribution process. Those sugars that you are talking about that turn into starch over time is where it starts. Prior to harvest there is a ratio that farmers look at before they harvest to determine the time the plant will reach it peak ripeness when it gets to market. From there they can decide when it is best to harvest because they know about how long it will take to get to a supermarket for consumers.

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Dboi87

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Here's some pics of what Uncle Ben has done for me:








I would have more pictures....but you see.....I'm a relative newbie and had wasted my time my first couple of grows using some of the crap from the hydro store.

These plants are directly attributed to the info I got from Uncle Ben.
I noticed you had to stake your branches. I've had the same "problem" and read that it may be due to high nitrogen during flower. Any insights?
 

Dboi87

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This was the answer I gave... I didn't think it was too bad... you might of missed it. If you didn't like the answer though, no big deal..
It's hard to answer because with Sativas it all depends basically on how long of a flower period you want to deal with. With that number, I could prbly give a better answer.


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Dboi... I've grown some pretty good sativa leaning hybrids. There are many to choose from.

Short answer: Silver Fields or Sugar Punch - Sannies Shop

Long answer: The question to ask is... how many weeks of flowering are you willing to take on? There are options at any length.

I like to use seedfinder to check lineage and see what I am getting. You can just google "plant name seedfinder" example: Northern Lights seedfiner. click the link that is seedfinder.xxx.ccc it will break down the lineage for you.

There are lots of bad choices in the seed biz... waaay more than good choices. I suggest coming up with your choice and posting here. Someone will let you know if it is a bad choice. Some seedbanks are scams or known to be unreliable... some breeders are known to put out junk or problematic genetics. Many breeders are coming out with little rep and the verdict is still out on them. I like to stick with the proven breeders, but, avoid the old breeders who with an established name have little to prove.

Here are a few to look into...

7-9 wks - most any of the C99 plants. Apollo 11. Others, I forget. If you have the coin try out Dr Greenthumbs c99. His seeds are a little more expensive but I've been very impressed with the results from Dr GT. c99 is speedy. Speedy effects and speedy flowering. The fastest flowering sativa leaning plant you will find. Easy to grow.

10-11 wks - Silver Fields, Killing Fields - From SanniesShop. Great stuff... really great. I like Sannie too.. You can get on his forum (google it) and see people growing his seeds. There are a handful of active VERY good growers over there with REALLY nice cameras. Great people too. Sannie seems like very good people.

12-13 wks - Many Haze varieties... with killing fields and sugar punch, you'll prbly find one plant in the pack that takes 12-13 wks... Having haze in the name doesn't make it what I would call "haze". You can get hazes that flower in as little as 10 wks and beyond 14.

14+ - Jamaican Lambsbread - USC seeds on Sanniesshop.com... Never grown it but have smoked Columbian Gold and Lambsbread. This is a commitment, and a difficult one at that.. If you have not had 4-5 grows under your belt I would suggest putting a hold on this one. With 4-5 grows under your belt, be prepared for a challenge. And, lots of vertical space.

I would recommend Sannies Shop. I've grown the killing fields and love it. I've heard the Sugar punch is even better.. I believe it is basically Killing fields x Super silver haze. Those are two of my favorite sativa leaning plants.. I could only imagine (and have heard) the smoke is fantastic. If you made me give you one choice... I would say Sugar Punch. Super silver haze is fucking GREAT... but it's dependent on who you get it from. I got mine from Beanhoarder... his packs can be hit or miss. I searched through many plants to find my 2 keepers. With Sugar Punch... you can trust Sannies work... you get killing fields, which is fucking GREAT.. and, you get a good Super Silver Haze which is fucking great... I would go with that.

A common sativa that new folks seem to be pulled towards is Kali Mist. I would not recommend this pack. A partner grew it out and was quite disappointed. Also, I have seen many bad reviews... apparently, Kali Mist was reworked some years ago to make for shorter flower times and easier growth. The result was a plant that has little sativa-like effects.
My apologies. I said kitehigh and now realize it was you who replied. Thanks
 

Dboi87

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Also I don't worry too much on time frame. I do it for the experience and enjoyment. It seems in my opinion too many people try to rush a good thing
 

Dboi87

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That plant was from a year ago and I pulled 3.5 oz. It was 1 of 5 plants under a 600w. It is a Super Lemon Haze. What is so bad about it? It's green and all. Lacked some foliage but that is inherent with the cross, however nice and green . I used Dyna-gro Grow just like HB advocated which both of you also endorsed. I posted it as an example of UB's 4-cola topping method. (notice it was a compliment). I know all about high-P foods and shit. This was a run to see what all the hoopla was about. If I did so bad, explain what I did wrong ok? I'm very interested. So I guess I fucked up by using the nutes you guys advocate. I had no complaints other than the stretch but it does show the cool UB 4 cola thing quite well. Maybe I should stop complimenting so much.

Here is another shot with sis......... what's wrong with it ?

Think its a pretty decent plant
 

patlpp

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My subject plant was mature because obvious flowering showed like 5 days after the switch. She was ready.
 

Dboi87

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoperiodism Switching to 12/12 is done to push it to flower sooner.

Mature plants generally produce higher quantity and higher potency bud.
From the books I've read, switching to 12/12 signals the plant to flower if it is mature enough to do so. And ok I guess I see what you could mean by too soon. Mel Frank wrote that peak potency is usually around 8-10 months..... makes me really want to figure this cloning thing out
 

Dboi87

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Just a thought back on the subject of leaves... I feel a lot of people take the phrase "feed" your plants literally. Nutrients are less actual food but more so elements needed to carry out a plants life functions. A plants "food" is synthesized through photosynthesis. For photosynthesis to occur plants need chlorophyll. Hence the importance of the almighty leaf. Less green = less food.

Elementary I know but often overlooked
 

Samwell Seed Well

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Just a thought back on the subject of leaves... I feel a lot of people take the phrase "feed" your plants literally. Nutrients are less actual food but more so elements needed to carry out a plants life functions. A plants "food" is synthesized through photosynthesis. For photosynthesis to occur plants need chlorophyll. Hence the importance of the almighty leaf. Less green = less food.

Elementary I know but often overlooked
NM . . .no point . . pied piper
 

Sativied

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From the books I've read, switching to 12/12 signals the plant to flower if it is mature enough to do so.
Mature enough to do so, not as in mature enough to produce optimal results.

makes me really want to figure this cloning thing out
Cloning is a matter of just doing. Not much to figure out. But yeah, that helps a lot. Not uncommon for clones from mature plants to flower much faster, can easily cut off a week from a cycle depending on the strain. I like the variety of seeds too much though, but do have a clone from a mother that was 5-6 months old already and had preflowers (on 18/6) long before that so took only 6 days to get her to flower.
 

Uncle Ben

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Yummy. I can almost smell it. Scratch and sniff PC applications should be available soon by my calculations. Post this again in the near future so I can claw my way through the screen.
Yep, totally different ball game. Notice the airy bud and very short stalks? Almost can't see the trichomes with the naked eye either. But that's mostly what sativas do. Another misguided myth that seedbanks use to sell their mutts is to equate the trichome field with potency. I have smoked bud in which there was very little visible trichomes to the naked eye and the quality of high and the potency trampled your typical seller's big cola with lots of shugar. :) It's what's inside that counts.
 

Dboi87

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Mature enough to do so, not as in mature enough to produce optimal results.

Cloning is a matter of just doing. Not much to figure out. But yeah, that helps a lot. Not uncommon for clones from mature plants to flower much faster, can easily cut off a week from a cycle depending on the strain. I like the variety of seeds too much though, but do have a clone from a mother that was 5-6 months old already and had preflowers (on 18/6) long before that so took only 6 days to get her to flower.
I just haven't had any success. Will try again.
 

Dboi87

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ok lets talk about this

what do you knwo about stomata

and VPD, what do you knwo of this UB of any of you
Just that there are pores the plants use for transpiration. I knew nothing about botany half a year ago. I'm a novice and do not pretend otherwise. Trying to learn all I can though. Please continue
 

patlpp

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Think its a pretty decent plant
Thanks. It actually "looks" better than the other one in Sensi but I saw no yield change between the 2 but taste/customer satisfaction leaned to the AN side so that is what I grow with, economically too.
I found that environmentally the Sensi is more tolerant. Dyna is not the best in cooler situations. I suspect because of the higher ammoniacal Nitrogen. I prefer switching to Sensi Bloom once flowers are shown. ALL the N (Nitrate nitrogen) is immediately available to keep the green regardless of temps . What burns me is unless you use Foliage-Pro or Grow, you are an idiot which is unfair.

 

Uncle Ben

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Which Dyna products did you use pat? I wonder if you flowered to early. that plant has no alternating nodes. wierd
Said he used Grow and yes, the fact that the nodes are opposed is very weird. Suggests that it wasn't really ready to flower but then again the foliage is sparse too. Got be the genetics unless he didn't get his other factors down pat - temps, water, veg times. Plant has nice dark healthy leaves.

Let's put it this way, unless it was potent, a nice clean sativa high, I wouldn't spend my money on those genetics. I would and do spend it on Dyna-Gro. ;)

He could be playing the blame game here. "I didn't do it, it was the Dyna-Gro!"

UB

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Uncle Ben

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Chuck that was Dyna-Gro GROW with pro-tekt, No cal/mag the first 2 weeks because the coco was not new. It was from seed and vegged maybe 40 days (from seed planting)

Here is a plant 100% Coco with Sensi Base 12 ml gal, cal-mag first 2 weeks 3ml/gal, 1/4 ml pro-tekt.



Note some cupping. I decreased the Sensi to 10ml/gal to compensate. Plenty of green and good yields too.

I'm not against Dyna at all, I use it for veg all the time. Here is Sensi, here's your green !!
Same family of clones?
 
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