Hps vs New L.E.D.s

TacoMac

TacoMac

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thenotsoesoteric said:
I've done ton s reading, I've yet to build my own cob rig but will at some point. I just find it funny when people say you can't grow grade A weed with hps, that's all. Cheers
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Well, they dropped a ton of money on their COBs so they are naturally better, right? Because if they're not, then they look like idiots for spending 10 times the money to get the same end product.

That's the way of people: they bought it, so it's the best. Frankly, I've seen and sampled quite a few grows from more than a few different people over this.

I've not found one single bit of difference.

It's sort of like racing a Yamaha R1 against the Honda 1000RR - they'll both argue about having the better bike. They'll both show you stats, measurements, and all manner of useless data to argue their cases.

But in the end, if you ride the R1 around the track, then you ride the Honda around the track, you're personally not going to notice a bit of difference. They both get you to the same place at the same speed relative to you.
 
HydoDan

HydoDan

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TacoMac said:
Well, they dropped a ton of money on their COBs so they are naturally better, right? Because if they're not, then they look like idiots for spending 10 times the money to get the same end product..
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So you run $60 lights?. Just because I have $600 to spend on a light to keep my temps down and my wife from bitchin about the electric bill... Doesn't make me an idiot!!! It makes me a lot smarter than you'll ever be! Don't fault ppl for what they have.. it makes you look cheap and petty....
 
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Dankistino

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TacoMac said:
Well, they dropped a ton of money on their COBs so they are naturally better, right? Because if they're not, then they look like idiots for spending 10 times the money to get the same end product.

That's the way of people: they bought it, so it's the best. Frankly, I've seen and sampled quite a few grows from more than a few different people over this.

I've not found one single bit of difference.

It's sort of like racing a Yamaha R1 against the Honda 1000RR - they'll both argue about having the better bike. They'll both show you stats, measurements, and all manner of useless data to argue their cases.

But in the end, if you ride the R1 around the track, then you ride the Honda around the track, you're personally not going to notice a bit of difference. They both get you to the same place at the same speed relative to you.
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Let's start with calling people "idiots" "spending 10x the money". You embarrass yourself. Led growers are not idiots. Nor does it cost 10x as much. Just for speaking like that you should refrain from even offering an opinion.

it's nothing like racing different RR litre bikes. Your analogy is a failure, like your thinking. Those bikes cost about the same and they use nearly identical technology. Difference in outcomes at the track will be nearly exclusively based on pilot skill level. Did you suffer a head injury at the track resulting in drooling ineptitude? I'll guarantee you're not one of the fast guys at the track. Anyone who knows bikes, watches races knows that there is barely any difference.

I'm not into offering a remedial 8th grade physics class. Do your own research. There is no debate about brightness, spectrum, and efficiency between hid vs led. Pitting an hid against a led is more like bringing one of those old 500 cc 2 stroke to the current 1000cc grid.

Keep your helmet on before you hurt yourself again.
 
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Dankistino

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a mongo frog said:
Can you show us what you speak of? Thanks.
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I get the feeling that it's your habit to tirelessly ask this question in numb amusement

You know precisely what i speak of. LED is brighter, it's cooler, it can be configured to optimize a grow, it's more efficient and it has a better spectrum. I'm not arguing that LED is the answer to all growers prayers. I am stating that HID is a dinosaur with many shortcomings and it is coming to the end of it's utility as a horticultural light.
 
TheChemist77

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HPS, ran it for 20 years, MH, ran it with hps even better than hps alone. COB, i want to try but havnt gone there i like the things i hear about cree cxb 3070 and 3590's...im afraid the day i buy one a month later they will drop in price,,main concern..

switched over to CDL, LIGHTING also called cmh, the 315 watt lamps are equivilant to 450-500 watts hps or maybe even 600 watts.. ive only been running cmh for a little over a year..each run gpw is up,,im getting 1.68 gpw now,,i hope to get 2 gpw but its a work in progress..the day i switched from hps,mh to cmh yields wer up went from best runs hps getting1.2 gpw to getting 1.4-1.5 gpw with my first run using ceramics... i love the ceramic,,no bulb changes and i run the 3100k bulb in both veg and bloom rooms.. tighter nodes,bigger buds,better crystalization, and plants finish a week sooner under cmh spectrum....i plan to try led,,, but i must say im very happy with the cdl's or cmh wright now...maybe when the price comes down on those cree cobs or if i could find someone to do a diy build for me... if your on the fence between LED, and HPS,,,,BUY A CDL,,YOULL BE IMPRESSED!~!!!
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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TheChemist77 said:
HPS, ran it for 20 years, MH, ran it with hps even better than hps alone. COB, i want to try but havnt gone there i like the things i hear about cree cxb 3070 and 3590's...im afraid the day i buy one a month later they will drop in price,,main concern..

switched over to CDL, LIGHTING also called cmh, the 315 watt lamps are equivilant to 450-500 watts hps or maybe even 600 watts.. ive only been running cmh for a little over a year..each run gpw is up,,im getting 1.68 gpw now,,i hope to get 2 gpw but its a work in progress..the day i switched from hps,mh to cmh yields wer up went from best runs hps getting1.2 gpw to getting 1.4-1.5 gpw with my first run using ceramics... i love the ceramic,,no bulb changes and i run the 3100k bulb in both veg and bloom rooms.. tighter nodes,bigger buds,better crystalization, and plants finish a week sooner under cmh spectrum....i plan to try led,,, but i must say im very happy with the cdl's or cmh wright now...maybe when the price comes down on those cree cobs or if i could find someone to do a diy build for me... if your on the fence between LED, and HPS,,,,BUY A CDL,,YOULL BE IMPRESSED!~!!!
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I appreciate your objectivity, at the very least, for what my opinion is worth.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Gquebed said:
I dont understand what youre asking or saying???
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Then I've no reason to continue talking with you about it. If my plant's pushing cloudy trichomes on fan leaves in veg, and breeder specs state 20% THC, we aren't talking low THC, therefore your beer analogy is useless.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Olive Drab Green said:
Then I've no reason to continue talking with you about it. If my plant's pushing cloudy trichomes on fan leaves in veg, and breeder specs state 20% THC, we aren't talking low THC, therefore your beer analogy is useless.
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Not at all. I could use whiskey then at 40% for the analogy.

And if you truly understood my analogy you would understand that the percentage doesnt matter. Call it "x" if you like.

But im done wasting my time. It is clear you dont want to understand.

Hopefully Darwin will get to you soon...and make it painless for you.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Gquebed said:
Not at all. I could use whiskey then at 40% for the analogy.

And if you truly understood my analogy you would understand that the percentage doesnt matter. Call it "x" if you like.

But im done wasting my time. It is clear you dont want to understand.

Hopefully Darwin will get to you soon...and makenit painless for you.
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Last person that tried to kill me is dead, so don't hold your breath. I suspect you'll earn yourself a Darwin Award before I do.
 
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