Any powdery mildew experts?

If the spores are everywhere, as people say, you should be able to put any plant into a high humidity, low airflow container and PM should express itself.

With yours, if it was systemic, you wouldn't be able to get rid of it and each clone off of a clone should still have it.

I don't think either is true(you probably/may have had it back in the day but you probably eradicated it. Just standing water on a leaf is enough to kill pm) as I had it erupt when it was under 50% humidity and I got rid of it and haven't seen it back and it has been above 50% humidity, sometimes over a week at a time during summer when it was all over my squash and all over the clover all around the house.

Norby Grown said:

PM isn't systemic. I cleared it from my perpetual grow with eagle 20 using it 2x sprayed in veg. Got rid of (killed and burned)everything in flower but it's been gone from my perpetual grow for well over a year now.
Also the PM that attacks MJ is a certain species that doesn't attack other plants. The PM you see on clover or on the squash plant in your backyard isn't the same species that attacks MJ.
I sprayed coconut oil in the corners and along the walls to catch any spores that may have still been floating around. Keeps the dust down too.

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The mycelium grows into the plant. It survives all surface treatments.......technically - "systemic" is defined as being through out the system, so your technically correct BUT, it is not "just" a surface infection. So, many of us call it systemic so many can understand that it does grow into the plant surface..This IS true for the strain that infects MJ!

"Dense cannabis plants. ... Powdery mildew is said to “live inside and outside your marijuana plant.” This means that it isn't just living on your leaves. Powdery mildew inserts itself into your marijuana plants, so it becomes a systemic infection, not just a surface infection."

Eagle 20 is a poison that is systemic it's self! It's BANNED from use in Medical marijuana in every state that requires testing - Canada TOO! It is banned for use on Tobacco because ---

The heating of the active ingredient in E20 over 401F creates hydrogen cyanide gas! Your bic lighter is 450F . The burning plant matter in smoking is 400C resting and 900C during you drawing it.....


It goes to say that your lack of knowledge about Eagle 20 reflects your knowledge about PM.

Now go smoke your poison!

It doesn't travel throughout the plant, therefore not systemic(the fungus or the fungicide). It only penetrates into the surface layer of the leaves, it may be labled "systemic" but you have to understand how they work to understand how "systemic" it is.

eagle 20 also only penetrates the first layer of cells it contacts. It also has not been detected remaining in the plant more than 7 weeks(under indoor conditions) and it doesn't travel throughout the whole plant. You only use 2ml per gallon, that's not very much compared to how much they were feeding the rats to test it. And of the 2 ml only 19% is mycobutanol) Considering the rats never developed cancer, I don't know where you get your info from but eagle 20 is relatively safe in the concentrations used if used properly. The person most at risk is doing the spraying. If you never spray when in flower there is never anything left when you harvest.

And since you give me no links to where you got your quotes from I can't really check for accuracy but I already know that your statements are false. Read teh MSDS sheet. Does not cause cancer, causes irritation, doesn't cause birth defects, etc.etc.

http://www.kernred.com/kern-agcomm/products/EAGLE 20 EW.pdf

If I were you I'd re read and understand what you are talking about before bashing someone like you did. First off I only used it 2x to get rid of mildew. You think it's better to serve mildewy buds to my patients or interrupt their supply so they could go out and but stuff that WAS sprayed with heavy fungicides or miticides from someone else? Other than the eagle 20 I used on 15 plants about a year and a half ago my buds are all organic and always have been.

So shove your poison comment up your arse!

You are blowing things out of proportion. So you think it's better to use nothing and just destroy anything that ever gets PM? Or do you think it's better to use a chemical that you have read up on and understand how to use safely to quickly save things before they get out of hand and spread to others?

Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries, apricots, apples, and bitter almonds, all contain hydrogen cyanide. Many of these pits contain small amounts of cyanohydrins, which slowly release hydrogen cyanide; one hundred grams of crushed apple seeds can yield roughly about 10 mg of HCN. Up to one gram of hydrogen cyanide per kilogram may be obtained from the "bitter" roots of the cassava plant.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/HCN/HCN.htm

Cyanide is a fast-acting, potentially deadly chemical that prevents the cells of the body from using oxygen properly. When this happens, the cells die. Cyanide is released from natural substances found in some foods, such as apple seeds and peach pits, and in certain plants. Cyanide is in cigarette smoke and the substances released when materials, such as plastic, burn. Cyanide is used to make paper, textiles and plastics. It is in the chemicals used to develop photographs. Cyanide gas is used to kill pests on ships and in buildings.
https://illinoispoisoncenter.org/HydrogenCyanide

With the amount of eagle 20 used in one gallon and what may be left on teh plant and IF you even smoke it rather than vape or eat it, there isn't enough left in the plant, let alone the buds that weren't even growing when you sprayed the plant, meaning the mycobutanol can't even travel to the newly formed bud cells, that standing next to someone having a cigarette or smoking one yourself would give you way more hydrogen cyanide than smoking a whole plant you sprayed with eagle 20 before going into flowering. Would you like to go over amounts found in cannabis and how much hydrogen cyanide they would produce and the amount found in smoking one tobacco cigarette? We could do the math.

And at least I've read the MSDS and researched hydrogen cyanide and can do the math to figure the risk. A bit more than you've researched. Seems like your more into fear mongering.

I see you edited but there are no links to where you get your info from.

Dr. Who said:

The mycelium grows into the plant. It survives all surface treatments.......technically - "systemic" is defined as being through out the system, so your technically correct BUT, it is not "just" a surface infection. So, many of us call it systemic so many can understand that it does grow into the plant surface..This IS true for the strain that infects MJ!

"Dense cannabis plants. ... Powdery mildew is said to “live inside and outside your marijuana plant.” This means that it isn't just living on your leaves. Powdery mildew inserts itself into your marijuana plants, so it becomes a systemic infection, not just a surface infection."

Eagle 20 is a poison that is systemic it's self! It's BANNED from use in Medical marijuana in every state that requires testing - Canada TOO! It is banned for use on Tobacco because ---

The heating of the active ingredient in E20 over 401F creates hydrogen cyanide gas! Your bic lighter is 450F . The burning plant matter in smoking is 400C resting and 900C during you drawing it.....


It goes to say that your lack of knowledge about Eagle 20 reflects your knowledge about PM.

Now go smoke your poison!

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Norby Grown said:

You are blowing things out of proportion. So you think it's better to use nothing and just destroy anything that ever gets PM? Or do you think it's better to use a chemical that you have read up on and understand how to use safely to quickly save things before they get out of hand and spread to others?

Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries, apricots, apples, and bitter almonds, all contain hydrogen cyanide. Many of these pits contain small amounts of cyanohydrins, which slowly release hydrogen cyanide; one hundred grams of crushed apple seeds can yield roughly about 10 mg of HCN. Up to one gram of hydrogen cyanide per kilogram may be obtained from the "bitter" roots of the cassava plant.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/HCN/HCN.htm

Cyanide is a fast-acting, potentially deadly chemical that prevents the cells of the body from using oxygen properly. When this happens, the cells die. Cyanide is released from natural substances found in some foods, such as apple seeds and peach pits, and in certain plants. Cyanide is in cigarette smoke and the substances released when materials, such as plastic, burn. Cyanide is used to make paper, textiles and plastics. It is in the chemicals used to develop photographs. Cyanide gas is used to kill pests on ships and in buildings.
https://illinoispoisoncenter.org/HydrogenCyanide

With the amount of eagle 20 used in one gallon and what may be left on teh plant and IF you even smoke it rather than vape or eat it, there isn't enough left in the plant, let alone the buds that weren't even growing when you sprayed the plant, meaning the mycobutanol can't even travel to the newly formed bud cells, that standing next to someone having a cigarette or smoking one yourself would give you way more hydrogen cyanide than smoking a whole plant you sprayed with eagle 20 before going into flowering. Would you like to go over amounts found in cannabis and how much hydrogen cyanide they would produce and the amount found in smoking one tobacco cigarette? We could do the math.

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You have no concept of the actual science involved in chemistry. The heating of chemicals create versions of the chemicals that can have a vastly different effect on living tissue and the environment. This is why Eagle 20 is BANNED from use on tobacco! It has a far differing effect then any other form of absorption in tissue.

The creation of the Hydrogen Cyanide gas is but one known problem!

By the way, I farm, I have a far better knowledge of chemical application to plants then you. It was part of my college class's. I am certified to apply chemical insecticides/fungicide's in my state....

I choose not to, for the most part.....I grow organic.....

You have simply googled around the net and posted by cut and paste what you selected as an attempt to qualify your misguided use of a banned substance on a smoking material!

As much as I would like to say something insulting......I'll leave it for others that will have less tolerance for your improper use of a fungicide banned for what you use it for!

Norby Grown said:

You are blowing things out of proportion. So you think it's better to use nothing and just destroy anything that ever gets PM? Or do you think it's better to use a chemical that you have read up on and understand how to use safely to quickly save things before they get out of hand and spread to others?

Fruits that have a pit, such as cherries, apricots, apples, and bitter almonds, all contain hydrogen cyanide. Many of these pits contain small amounts of cyanohydrins, which slowly release hydrogen cyanide; one hundred grams of crushed apple seeds can yield roughly about 10 mg of HCN. Up to one gram of hydrogen cyanide per kilogram may be obtained from the "bitter" roots of the cassava plant.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/HCN/HCN.htm

Cyanide is a fast-acting, potentially deadly chemical that prevents the cells of the body from using oxygen properly. When this happens, the cells die. Cyanide is released from natural substances found in some foods, such as apple seeds and peach pits, and in certain plants. Cyanide is in cigarette smoke and the substances released when materials, such as plastic, burn. Cyanide is used to make paper, textiles and plastics. It is in the chemicals used to develop photographs. Cyanide gas is used to kill pests on ships and in buildings.
https://illinoispoisoncenter.org/HydrogenCyanide

With the amount of eagle 20 used in one gallon and what may be left on teh plant and IF you even smoke it rather than vape or eat it, there isn't enough left in the plant, let alone the buds that weren't even growing when you sprayed the plant, meaning the mycobutanol can't even travel to the newly formed bud cells, that standing next to someone having a cigarette or smoking one yourself would give you way more hydrogen cyanide than smoking a whole plant you sprayed with eagle 20 before going into flowering. Would you like to go over amounts found in cannabis and how much hydrogen cyanide they would produce and the amount found in smoking one tobacco cigarette? We could do the math.

And at least I've read the MSDS and researched hydrogen cyanide and can do the math to figure the risk. A bit more than you've researched. Seems like your more into fear mongering.

I see you edited but there are no links to where you get your info from.

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BTW.....The ONLY place it is NOT banned for use on tobacco's and other smoking materials..........Is CHINA!

Remember that they use leaded paint on toys and send the world, poison laced toothpaste. (I only buy toothpaste made in the USA!)

You have already said something insulting, too late, which is why you are getting the reaction from me that you are getting. And I USED it 2x a few years ago. I don't USE it anymore because it worked and i haven't had PM since. Because it worked on a large garden using less than 4ml of a substance that is only 20% mycobutanol. That means less than 1ml went into my whole veg room over 2 sprayings of completely different plants over 1.5 years ago.

Now you are trying to say that you have more of a background in farming than me so you win. Your logic doesn't apply though. you have to do the research and cite your sources. Mine are right there and show that you are wrong, if we do the math.

Hydrogen cyanide is hydrogen cyanide, whether it comes naturally from burning tobacco or whether it comes from a can or from burning mj with some mycobutanol left on it. If you'd care to explain why you think HC created from burning mycobutanol is different than that from a can or what is given off smoking a cigarette then I'd like to hear it.

I think what you are trying to say is that inhaling it is different than eating it. In that I would say you are correct but still the amount involved is very minute and of no worry if you use it correctly. There would be way less HC in smoking buds with traces of mycobutanol left over than being in the car with someone smoking a cigarette. If you want to try and prove different than go ahead but just because something is banned doesn't mean its always harmful and just because something is allowed doesn't mean it's safe. And mycobutanol used properly(only during veg) is much safer than spraying Neem on your plants during the last week or 2 of flowering. But I suppose Neem is allowed? Better to know what you are talking about than going by gov't "guidelines".

So what chemicals DO you spray on your farm? What organics do you use on your MJ and when?

Associating mycobutanol with a country that is known for it's hazardous practices doesn't equate to it automatically being bad. Just because they use lead paint doesn't mean mycobutanol causes cancer. Do you see how your logic is misleading and how you are not proving anything with your statements? I think you watch too much of the 24 hour news stations and it's rubbed off on you.

Dr. Who said:

BTW.....The ONLY place it is NOT banned for use on tobacco's and other smoking materials..........Is CHINA!

Remember that they use leaded paint on toys and send the world, poison laced toothpaste. (I only buy toothpaste made in the USA!)

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The PM I have gotten here in Colorado was a result of cool and damp conditions that lasted more than a few days. Technically not systemic but it is best to treat it as systemic because it sure acts like it is. I've never had it in warm and damp conditions, but I here of others who have, could be different varieties. If I get it in flower I start spraying every day or two with a rotation of Actinovate, H2O2, and Green Cure. Never had an issue come harvest. I may add a dehumidifier to my greenhouse this year just to make prevention a little easier, but most of the time our humidity is very low.

Norby Grown said:

You have already said something insulting, too late, which is why you are getting the reaction from me that you are getting. And I USED it 2x a few years ago. I don't USE it anymore because it worked and i haven't had PM since. Because it worked on a large garden using less than 4ml of a substance that is only 20% mycobutanol. That means less than 1ml went into my whole veg room over 2 sprayings of completely different plants over 1.5 years ago.

Now you are trying to say that you have more of a background in farming than me so you win. Your logic doesn't apply though. you have to do the research and cite your sources. Mine are right there and show that you are wrong, if we do the math.

Hydrogen cyanide is hydrogen cyanide, whether it comes naturally from burning tobacco or whether it comes from a can or from burning mj with some mycobutanol left on it. If you'd care to explain why you think HC created from burning mycobutanol is different than that from a can or what is given off smoking a cigarette then I'd like to hear it.

I think what you are trying to say is that inhaling it is different than eating it. In that I would say you are correct but still the amount involved is very minute and of no worry if you use it correctly. There would be way less HC in smoking buds with traces of mycobutanol left over than being in the car with someone smoking a cigarette. If you want to try and prove different than go ahead but just because something is banned doesn't mean its always harmful and just because something is allowed doesn't mean it's safe. And mycobutanol used properly(only during veg) is much safer than spraying Neem on your plants during the last week or 2 of flowering. But I suppose Neem is allowed? Better to know what you are talking about than going by gov't "guidelines".

So what chemicals DO you spray on your farm? What organics do you use on your MJ and when?

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Chemicals? Non-organic? NONE!

I use a shit ton of AACT on fields. That would be the only thing "sprayed", Manure is spread. Some use of lime as needed.

I build my own water only soils, I have 4-5 differing go to builds. I do have to do a bit of supplementing with teas or maybe some Age Old organic liquid ferts now and then with long running sativa's.. I up pot as needed and the last trans, is into the final bloom soil....

I build my own nutrient and bio tea's as needed. I have my own formula's for organic versions of Botanicare's "Sweet Raw" and Terpinator/Resinator....

I have 44 years of growing MJ and that covers synthetics too!

As for Neem. I don't and won't use it! It's being found it's far more toxic then it was first believed! I hate the shit! I do not use any "oil" of anything on my plants!

As for mycobutanil..(The correct spelling)....It's still a BANNED substance for the purpose and plant you use it for! NO MATTER WHEN OR HOW YOU USE IT!

Your only making yourself look bad here! Defending the use of a BANNED substance in Med or rec MJ growing - because your logic say's it's ok your way......that's fucking brilliant!

By the way, I farm, I have a far better knowledge of chemical application to plants then you. It was part of my college class's. I am certified to apply chemical insecticides/fungicide's in my state....

I choose not to, for the most part.....I grow organic.....

This is what you said and the "for the most part" what chemicals do you use when farming?

As I said, banned or not you are learning that some things are bad and some aren't if used correctly. It's not about what our gov't says is good. Roundup isn't banned and it's being linked to and found in a lot of things. There are a lot of things allowed on food and in cigarettes and vapes that are much worse for you than a little mycobutanol on your buds if it doesn't even give as much HC as second hand cigarette smoke. I'm nor defending widespread use by mega grows I'm talking cg to save genetics and provide uninterrupted supply to my patients.

So I'm defending the cautious use of a chemical to treat a problem. Better that then saying people should use neem in flowering. And if that makes me "look bad" well I could give a fuk about how I look. I worry about the truth and that's it. I debate to find out what's right, it seems you argue to find out who's right.

You're still blowing things out of proportion and hiding behind a "ban" on use. You aren't thinking logically about this. A lot of chemicals don't want to go thru the hoops to make themselves useable for different applications. It probably can't compete, or isn't useful to tobacco crops. So if that's the reason it's never been used for tobacco and the reason it's "banned for use" on tobacco then you're reasoning is flawed as for how dangerous it is.

And if a lab test doesn't detect mycobutanol in PPB after 7 weeks then it's not even in the MJ anymore. Still safer to spray mycobutanol in veg then it is to spray neem during flowering. That's logic and reason and it works better than looking to your gov't to keep you safe.

And I've been growing MJ for 30 years and I use logic, so that trumps your 44 years. And it's my logic, research AND testing from labs that says it's ok to use in a certain way. But by your logic no one here should be growing MJ at all cause the fed gov't bans it's use and cultivation, right?

Dr. Who said:

Chemicals? Non-organic? NONE!

I use a shit ton of AACT on fields. That would be the only thing "sprayed", Manure is spread. Some use of lime as needed.

I build my own water only soils, I have 4-5 differing go to builds. I do have to do a bit of supplementing with teas or maybe some Age Old organic liquid ferts now and then with long running sativa's.. I up pot as needed and the last trans, is into the final bloom soil....

I build my own nutrient and bio tea's as needed. I have my own formula's for organic versions of Botanicare's "Sweet Raw" and Terpinator/Resinator....

I have 44 years of growing MJ and that covers synthetics too!

As for Neem. I don't and won't use it! It's being found it's far more toxic then it was first believed! I hate the shit! I do not use any "oil" of anything on my plants!

As for mycobutanol......It's still a BANNED substance for the purpose and plant you use it for! NO MATTER WHEN OR HOW YOU USE IT!

Your only making yourself look bad here! Defending the use of a BANNED substance in Med or rec MJ growing - because your logic say's it's ok your way......that's fucking brilliant!

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Just keep conditions right and PM usually isn't a factor, although I find high humidity is NOT a deal breaker for PM. If it does come a round, just hit it with a baking soda/water/few drops of dish soap mixture to break surface tension, and boom, PM gone because the surface of the leaves are now to alkaline to support it. Maybe his approach isn't feasible is some grows though.

...and when I say gone, I mean,well, you won't notice/see it again, I'm not touching the systemic debate.

@Norby Grown ..


As I said, banned or not you are learning that some things are bad and some aren't if used correctly. It's not about what our gov't says is good. Roundup isn't banned and it's being linked to and found in a lot of things. There are a lot of things allowed on food and in cigarettes and vapes that are much worse for you than a little mycobutanol on your buds if it doesn't even give as much HC as second hand cigarette smoke. I'm nor defending widespread use by mega grows I'm talking cg to save genetics and provide uninterrupted supply to my patients.

Monsanto is being sued by people and governments from around the world for what Roundup does! It is not "good". it is not used on my farm or the others in the co-op....It can't be.....

As far as mycobutanil goes...you just can't wrap your head around it being banned for use in smoking materials, can you?

So I'm defending the cautious use of a chemical to treat a problem. Better that then saying people should use neem in flowering. And if that makes me "look bad" well I could give a fuk about how I look. I worry about the truth and that's it. I debate to find out what's right, it seems you argue to find out who's right.

If you didn't "give a fuk about how [you] look"......Then why do you come back and vainly attempt to defend yourself?

I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining why I'm right!

You're still blowing things out of proportion and hiding behind a "ban" on use. You aren't thinking logically about this. A lot of chemicals don't want to go thru the hoops to make themselves useable for different applications. It probably can't compete, or isn't useful to tobacco crops. So if that's the reason it's never been used for tobacco and the reason it's "banned for use" on tobacco then you're reasoning is flawed as for how dangerous it is.

"Flushing" was created by logic. "More is better" is logic, etc,etc, etc. Growing by logic - tends to fail. Science, regularly, debunks "logic".

And if a lab test doesn't detect mycobutanol in PPB after 7 weeks then it's not even in the MJ anymore. Still safer to spray mycobutanol in veg then it is to spray neem during flowering. That's logic and reason and it works better than looking to your gov't to keep you safe.

Depends on how they test, right along with how much and how you applied, the span of time passed sense application and the rate the particular plant strains process the compound. The Mycobutanil is extracted by the same methods that are used for concentrates - vape or hit that on a nail.....

And I've been growing MJ for 30 years and I use logic, so that trumps your 44 years. And it's my logic, research AND testing from labs that says it's ok to use in a certain way. But by your logic no one here should be growing MJ at all cause the fed gov't bans it's use and cultivation, right?

Using logic again, eh? Doesn't work here either! Why do you come back and add more BS to your story at every post?

Remember that banned is banned!!! PERIOD!

"Duh uh! They can't tell I used it, so that makes it ok!"

*Ignore*

Dr. Who said:

As for Neem. I don't and won't use it! It's being found it's far more toxic then it was first believed! I hate the shit! I do not use any "oil" of anything on my plants!

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Doc, you mentioned this once before and i couldn't find anything in Scholar. Can you point me to literature to read?
thanks, BB

How cute, you still think you are right.

More is better is NOT logic.

Marijuana is BANNED dumbass. So using a banned substance on a banned substance really doesn't matter. Everything is BANNED from being used on MJ. See below.

Since cannabis is still federally illegal, that creates another barrier, because the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has not yet authorized any pesticides for use on marijuana. That inconsistency has led directly to the current situation, observers said.https://mjbizdaily.com/confusion-pesticides-presents-conundrum-colorado-cannabis-growers/

I don't defend myself I defend the truth of the method I used. Which is why I'm right. It's not about me it's about the truth. This has been tested in indoor grow conditions and that's why I said don't spray in flower and it'll all be gone. If you don't spray when tehre are buds the chemical doesn't build up in the buds, then there is no chemical to be extracted and build up in extracts.
As a systemic chemical, myclobutanil cannot be removed by washing treated crops, although residue will decrease in plant tissues over time. The final remaining residue levels vary considerably and are highly dependent on the rate of application, the time of last application before harvest, and how well the specific plant clears the chemical from its system. http://www.coloradogreenlab.com/blog/eagle-20-and-myclobutanil-in-the-context-of-cannabis-cultivation-and-consumption

Depends on how they test and how much I applied? It's a test, ppb is ppb, period. If it's not in there it's the same as never being used. See above.

If the logic doesn't work for you how about the testing at the lab and research into teh science behind using it(you left that part out, you know science, lab testing, what you said is above logic?)? You should really read up on logic and try and understand it, it seems it would help you a lot. You seem to be having a problem understanding this. You have made claims that have no bearing and in no way show that you are right by a long shot.

Dr. Who said:

@Norby Grown ..


As I said, banned or not you are learning that some things are bad and some aren't if used correctly. It's not about what our gov't says is good. Roundup isn't banned and it's being linked to and found in a lot of things. There are a lot of things allowed on food and in cigarettes and vapes that are much worse for you than a little mycobutanol on your buds if it doesn't even give as much HC as second hand cigarette smoke. I'm nor defending widespread use by mega grows I'm talking cg to save genetics and provide uninterrupted supply to my patients.

Monsanto is being sued by people and governments from around the world for what Roundup does! It is not "good". it is not used on my farm or the others in the co-op....It can't be.....

As far as mycobutanil goes...you just can't wrap your head around it being banned for use in smoking materials, can you?

So I'm defending the cautious use of a chemical to treat a problem. Better that then saying people should use neem in flowering. And if that makes me "look bad" well I could give a fuk about how I look. I worry about the truth and that's it. I debate to find out what's right, it seems you argue to find out who's right.

If you didn't "give a fuk about how [you] look"......Then why do you come back and vainly attempt to defend yourself?

I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining why I'm right!

You're still blowing things out of proportion and hiding behind a "ban" on use. You aren't thinking logically about this. A lot of chemicals don't want to go thru the hoops to make themselves useable for different applications. It probably can't compete, or isn't useful to tobacco crops. So if that's the reason it's never been used for tobacco and the reason it's "banned for use" on tobacco then you're reasoning is flawed as for how dangerous it is.

"Flushing" was created by logic. "More is better" is logic, etc,etc, etc. Growing by logic - tends to fail. Science, regularly, debunks "logic".

And if a lab test doesn't detect mycobutanol in PPB after 7 weeks then it's not even in the MJ anymore. Still safer to spray mycobutanol in veg then it is to spray neem during flowering. That's logic and reason and it works better than looking to your gov't to keep you safe.

Depends on how they test, right along with how much and how you applied, the span of time passed sense application and the rate the particular plant strains process the compound. The Mycobutanil is extracted by the same methods that are used for concentrates - vape or hit that on a nail.....

And I've been growing MJ for 30 years and I use logic, so that trumps your 44 years. And it's my logic, research AND testing from labs that says it's ok to use in a certain way. But by your logic no one here should be growing MJ at all cause the fed gov't bans it's use and cultivation, right?

Using logic again, eh? Doesn't work here either! Why do you come back and add more BS to your story at every post?

Remember that banned is banned!!! PERIOD!

"Duh uh! They can't tell I used it, so that makes it ok!"

*Ignore*

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No need for eagle 20

A proper environment with low humidity and temps above 70 along with weekly sprays of nuke em, green cleaner until week 3 ish of flower along with organocide plant doctor watered in until week 6 ish of flower and youre golden no more PM, certainly no mites and no eagle 20

Always spray with an atomizer for 100% coverage, turn it on high and blast the shit out of those plants

if you think eagle 20 belongs on cannabis and that other safer products dont work for PM do the world a favor and dont sell your eagle 20 pot to anyone

I'd foliar feed silicon if ur not past the 2 week flowering

I don't think it "belongs" on cannabis I just know that it's a safe and effective one or 2x use kill for PM.

I'll have to tell the guy I got the PM cutting from about your regimen since he's been using organics to battle PM for 2 years before he gave it to me. He won't get rid of his collection and he won't use anything non organic and he's had PM in his garden for over 2 years, thinking his weekly spraying regimen had worked. But everytime he stopped it came back and he neglected to tell me when he gave me a hi CBD cutting that he had been battling it for 2 years and he "thought" it was gone. Basically using me for a "test".

Had he told me I'd not have accepted the cutting. So I used what I used and told my patients what I was doing and they had no problems trusting me. As i said it was 2 x and done. And it worked quick and there were no residues as they were tested. I'd never sell anyone anything that they didn't know exactly how it was grown.

So I hope you are very sure your method works before handing out any clones to anyone.

Your snide comment is unwarranted as i've said many times it was used 2x over a year ago and my 5 patients knew and the plants were tested for residue, which there was NONE. If you had read my comments you'd have seen there was no need for your comment. Did it make you feel better to get that off your chest though?

Beng01 said:

No need for eagle 20

A proper environment with low humidity and temps above 70 along with weekly sprays of nuke em, green cleaner until week 3 ish of flower along with organocide plant doctor watered in until week 6 ish of flower and youre golden no more PM, certainly no mites and no eagle 20

Always spray with an atomizer for 100% coverage, turn it on high and blast the shit out of those plants

if you think eagle 20 belongs on cannabis and that other safer products dont work for PM do the world a favor and dont sell your eagle 20 pot to anyone

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BarnBuster said:

Doc, you mentioned this once before and i couldn't find anything in Scholar. Can you point me to literature to read?
thanks, BB

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The Neem thing is not on scholar....yet.....Research is being done at MSU by a friends daughter.....I'll look for one of the things she's looking into as claimed by another site.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3841499/

Be sure to read the WHOLE thing!

Somethings were rather shocking!

There are so many mythical use's for neem. Several sites say use it on your pets to repel and kill biting insects. In reality, if you coat your dog or cat with it....It can cause bad stomach problems from the Dogs licking it off their fur. Essential oils can kill cats...
It is not to be used on cats at all!

"Neem Oil – Neem oil has become a popular flea treatment. Unfortunately if your dog or cat has fleas he tends to lick that part. Licking Neem Oil can cause stomach pain and reproductive system issues. Using this product would require you to put a cone collar on your dog for him to be unable to reach the areas sprayed with Neem Oil."

"Our family is devastated. We googled "neem oil poisoning" and "neem oil side effects" (much too late to save our dog) and found various sources that confirm the ingestion of this oil can cause seizures, irreversible CNS dysfunction and brain damage, liver and kidney failure, Reye's syndrome, and then possible death."