Club 315w lec

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Haha, sorry. I was a few sheets to the wind last night when I wrote that. I was curious what the perimeter (outer area of light) looks like, in terms of bud development. You know, given that the buds under the light will always look great. Your assessment of a 2.5' x 2.5' strong footprint makes sense and kinda answers my question anyway. Lookin' good!

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I see. Lol.

With the 3 lights overlapping there is plenty of light everywhere so you won't see any plants lacking any light

I also rotate and move plants around for even growth.

Im wondering about riu etiquette.
I have a 315 3100k Philips bulb in a Nanolux Technology fixture.
Illuminating a 4x4.
I also have a vegg and propagation cabinet that the interiour dimensions are 16"deep x 32"wide x 54" tall
In the cabinet i currently have an Apollo horticulture 300w Burple led, 100 epistar diodes.
I also have a 10" x 20" hard bottomed humidity dome that is 7" tall with a sunblaster 16w 6400k cfl tube.
the humidity dome sits on top of the cabinet when in use.

Im wondering if i should make posts regarding my grow, with a few pictures in this forum, or start another thread or learn how to start a grow jornal.
I dont feel i have enough knowledge behind me to put together a grow gornal comparable to most on here.
Im currently useing tap water that has sat out in open 20liter water jugs for a minimum of 24 hours, usually not less then 48.
I have thought about a under the counter R.O. machine however, right now im wondering if ill also be needing to grab another ac.
I do have a wall mounted ac down the hall from my room, however im wondering about a portable ac and dehimidifier combo to place directly in the room that contains the tent.
Cooler is always better right, right now my temps climb to a high of 28degrees Celsius, usally at 25.5 celcius without my wall mount ac running, spring like conditions.
I'll also be looking to grab a 10' or 15' ballast to fixture cord, thus aĺlowing me to remove the ballast from within the tent.
when i shoot my infored thermometer at the ballast it reads a 41degrees Celsius.
so removing that shall make a difference over the 12 hours.

thccbdhealth said:

Im wondering about riu etiquette.
I have a 315 3100k Philips bulb in a Nanolux Technology fixture.
Illuminating a 4x4.
I also have a vegg and propagation cabinet that the interiour dimensions are 16"deep x 32"wide x 54" tall
In the cabinet i currently have an Apollo horticulture 300w Burple led, 100 epistar diodes.
I also have a 10" x 20" hard bottomed humidity dome that is 7" tall with a sunblaster 16w 6400k cfl tube.
the humidity dome sits on top of the cabinet when in use.

Im wondering if i should make posts regarding my grow, with a few pictures in this forum, or start another thread or learn how to start a grow jornal.
I dont feel i have enough knowledge behind me to put together a grow gornal comparable to most on here.
Im currently useing tap water that has sat out in open 20liter water jugs for a minimum of 24 hours, usually not less then 48.
I have thought about a under the counter R.O. machine however, right now im wondering if ill also be needing to grab another ac.
I do have a wall mounted ac down the hall from my room, however im wondering about a portable ac and dehimidifier combo to place directly in the room that contains the tent.
Cooler is always better right, right now my temps climb to a high of 28degrees Celsius, usally at 25.5 celcius without my wall mount ac running, spring like conditions.
I'll also be looking to grab a 10' or 15' ballast to fixture cord, thus aĺlowing me to remove the ballast from within the tent.
when i shoot my infored thermometer at the ballast it reads a 41degrees Celsius.
so removing that shall make a difference over the 12 hours.

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Start your own journal and post the link to it here. That way interested people can follow you, like me!

Don't feel badly about a journal with mistakes. They tend to be very instructive to those who follow your footsteps.

I just found out, the hard way, that the Galaxy ballast does NOT automatically restart after a power outage. You have to unplug it, and plug it back in, manually. That is a major design flaw, major.

I woke up to my clocks blinking today, which told me there had been a power outage, while I slept. The tent with the T5's was uneffected. The tent with the Hydrofarm Phantom CMH was fine, as it will automatically restrike after 20-30 minutes, if there's an outage.
The tent with the remote SunSystem LEC hood, and Galaxy ballast, was completely offline. The only light that was on was the little green power light blinking. This is totally unacceptable. The other two SunSystem LEC'S units I've owned both automatically restruck after an outage.

Now I'm going to have sell the SunSystem/Galaxy bundle off asap and buy another Hydrofarm Phantom CMH. God damn it.

EDIT: Can anyone with a Prism ballast confirm if they automatically restrike after a power failure?

Bad Karma said:

I just found out, the hard way, that the Galaxy ballast does NOT automatically restart after a power outage. You have to unplug it, and plug it back in, manually. That is a major design flaw, major.

I woke up to my clocks blinking today, which told me there had been a power outage, while I slept. The tent with the T5's was uneffected. The tent with the Hydrofarm Phantom CMH was fine, as it will automatically restrike after 20-30 minutes, if there's an outage.
The tent with the remote SunSystem LEC hood, and Galaxy ballast, was completely offline. The only light that was on was the little green power light blinking. This is totally unacceptable. The other two SunSystem LEC'S units I've owned both automatically restruck after an outage.

Now I'm going to have sell the SunSystem/Galaxy bundle off asap and buy another Hydrofarm Phantom CMH. God damn it.

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All the lessons in this game cost big bucks... i was at the shop today a dude picked up a pallet of nexgen 315s with auto dimmerz.

Bad Karma said:

I just found out, the hard way, that the Galaxy ballast does NOT automatically restart after a power outage. You have to unplug it, and plug it back in, manually. That is a major design flaw, major.

I woke up to my clocks blinking today, which told me there had been a power outage, while I slept. The tent with the T5's was uneffected. The tent with the Hydrofarm Phantom CMH was fine, as it will automatically restrike after 20-30 minutes, if there's an outage.
The tent with the remote SunSystem LEC hood, and Galaxy ballast, was completely offline. The only light that was on was the little green power light blinking. This is totally unacceptable. The other two SunSystem LEC'S units I've owned both automatically restruck after an outage.

Now I'm going to have sell the SunSystem/Galaxy bundle off asap and buy another Hydrofarm Phantom CMH. God damn it.

EDIT: Can anyone with a Prism ballast confirm if they automatically restrike after a power failure?

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Mine come back on every time.

They did on an analog titan timer. And now on a digital titan controller.

Three years perfect operation for 2 of them.

I think the manual said the flashing green light is a warning. Blown fuse?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Mine come back on every time.

They did on an analog titan timer. And now on a digital titan controller.

Three years perfect operation for 2 of them.

I think the manual said the flashing green light is a warning. Blown fuse?

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I double checked the instruction manual, the blinking was to indicate the lamp went into "protection mode" because of the power outage, but the only way to get it out of that mode is to unplug the lamp, and plug it back in again. There is no mention of the ballast being able to auto restrike in the manual.

I've emailed GrowersHouse.com, where I got the ballast from, to see what their take on it is.

Mine needs to be off for at least 15 minutes. If the power only goes out for one minute. Then i know i have to physically restart it. Sunsystem unit

I too had a power cut a few nights ago, my maxibright CMH ballast turned back on the first time, the outages were literally seconds but sporadic through the night and the times after that it failed to re strike and I had to unplug and plug back in. Was a worry to me also that it didn't reatrike every time.

Bad Karma said:

I double checked the instruction manual, the blinking was to indicate the lamp went into "protection mode" because of the power outage, but the only way to get it out of that mode is to unplug the lamp, and plug it back in again. There is no mention of the ballast being able to auto restrike in the manual.

I've emailed GrowersHouse.com, where I got the ballast from, to see what their take on it is.

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What model is it. Age?

And have a 3 year old 1000/600/400/overdrive green brick shaped with cooling fan. I think they later called it the "classic"

And an almost 3 year old 600/400 grow amp.

Both select a watt models.

Growdict said:

Mine needs to be off for at least 15 minutes. If the power only goes out for one minute. Then i know i have to physically restart it. Sunsystem unit

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I have only experienced for sure quick surge type skips in power and longer outages than 15 minutes. Both were running after but the analog timer needed reset. (Glad this came up. Need to remedy that.)

And once a short outage but I thought it was a breaker at the time. Maybe what you and @Bad Karma have just stated was the cause.

As usual. Great heads up guys!

I will be tuned in for answes. Thanks. I plan to be away more his summer and this is a serious issue.

And I forgot to mention my galaxy LEC dimmable ballast and am so high I just realized that is the ballast we are talking about. Duh!

But my hid ballasts likely react the same way. To protect the bulb. It contradicts our need for re strike. Hot re strike usually limits bulb life as far as I know. But nothing fatal usually.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I have only experienced for sure quick surge type skips in power and longer outages than 15 minutes. Both were running after but the analog timer needed reset. (Glad this came up. Need to remedy that.)

And once a short outage but I thought it was a breaker at the time. Maybe what you and @Bad Karma have just stated was the cause.

As usual. Great heads up guys!

I will be tuned in for answes. Thanks. I plan to be away more his summer and this is a serious issue.

And I forgot to mention my galaxy LEC dimmable ballast and am so high I just realized that is the ballast we are talking about. Duh!

But my hid ballasts likely react the same way. To protect the bulb. It contradicts our need for re strike. Hot re strike usually limits bulb life as far as I know. But nothing fatal usually.

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With mine the analog timer doesn't work when the power goes out, it messes up the timings, could this have been a factor too? I also have a 15minute cool down time but mine also failed to re strike the 2nd and 3rd time until I did the old "turn it off and on again IT guy thing"

CDM/CMH/LEC lamps are all pretty sensitive to hot restrike issues, in my experience. They need plenty of time to cool before they can be cycled. This is why I don't recommend them to those who live in areas with dirty power issues.

HPS is better, LED are pretty much immune.

JDMase said:

With mine the analog timer doesn't work when the power goes out, it messes up the timings, could this have been a factor too? I also have a 15minute cool down time but mine also failed to re strike the 2nd and 3rd time until I did the old "turn it off and on again IT guy thing"

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No. I only mentioned it to remove the variable.

Seems the galaxy ballasts regardless of type may not testeike properly with a short power outage. Maybe because of the soft start system.

I only noticed this once though and it could have been the Grow room lights breaker.

I am waiting to see what sunlight supply says back.

But I don't know if a 15 minute cool down time. Like I said all 3 ballasts tried to re fire and eventually did by themselves after a few minute failure.

And a long failure too. So we will see.

ttystikk said:

CDM/CMH/LEC lamps are all pretty sensitive to hot restrike issues, in my experience. They need plenty of time to cool before they can be cycled. This is why I don't recommend them to those who live in areas with dirty power issues.

HPS is better, LED are pretty much immune.

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Mine re strikes fine immediately. It even says it recommends 20 minutes to cool til it breaks in. Because the ballast will re fire it immediately and it is not good for the bulb at first. No other warnings exist.

Your experience seems different than the facts as usual.

I still can't find any new based bulb cmh 315 ballast that is not "square wave" like you say either. All low frequency ballasts are. The wave is what low frequency puts out. but you are sure you are right as usual and telling people the false info.

Please keep your mis-information to your own convoluted thread. This is not a fucking game to us.

MichiganMedGrower said:

What model is it. Age?

And have a 3 year old 1000/600/400/overdrive green brick shaped with cooling fan. I think they later called it the "classic"

And an almost 3 year old 600/400 grow amp.

Both select a watt models.

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Mine is the all in one sunsystem hood unit with transformer to 110v. About 15 months since purchase. It cannot restrike unless i cool it down. If i need to turn off th light for some reason, it needs to stay off 10-15 min

After an accidental, decent last grow, two plants,15+ zips, and decent quality, am back with my original plan for last fall. Will be doing a 5 plant vertical grow with coco, screens, and stacked 315W CMH (3100 K) and drip irrigation.

Grow area - 4x4x6’7” Gorilla tent
Lights – 2 x Nanolux 315W CMH NA
Screens - 21”x 40” Overall working height is 54” (137 cm)
Pots– Two gallon Smart Pots
Medium - Straight Coco
Nutes – Canna Coco A&B, Rhizotonic, Cannazym, Boost and KoolBloom.
Number of plants – 5
Strain – Barneys Farm G13 Haze (4), and Critical Kush (1)

The grow:

Seedlings should be replanted into the two gallon smart pots within a week, one of the G13's is behind by about 6 day or so.


The drip irrigation is a 1/2" setup fed by a 3/4" line that originates in a separate room, from a 10 gal primary rez and a secondary 14 gal rez that recirculates the rez's and keep the primary filled. The manifold is 8 stations, but will plug 3 stations. It will have equal length 1/4" feed lines that I am considering attaching a 1/4" cross that will allow three lines to feed each plant. Each main feed line will have a quick disconnect so I can move the plants in and out of the tent as needed to work on them. Will post pics soon of this setup.


I used one of the 315W last grow along with a 400W LED, both hung slightly tilted toward the two plants.
Now this run will be the first time I have run 2 - 315's in a vert grow. I am truly impressed with the 315W for how it responded last grow. Both ballast are outside the tent, have plenty of air movement so I am not that concerned with heat issues, do have extra AC in the small room I am extracting air from, if needed.
Here's a picture of the two fixtures w/o the bulbs.

Will change the height of the lower light stand by removing pvc pipe and replacing with with longer pieces.


I will accept comments, both positive and negative, and suggestion for all you very smart people, with more experience than I.

GR

I am linking this to my Journal.

I just heard back from Growers House, and the Galaxy LEC ballast does not have an auto restrike feature, in case of a power outage. The quality of SunSystem's products has really fallen off in the last year or so.

I'm still trying to find out if the Prism LEC ballast has an auto restrike feature.
@DemonTrich, aren't you using the Prism ballast with your LEC setup?

Bad Karma said:

I just heard back from Growers House, and the Galaxy LEC ballast does not have an auto restrike feature, in case of a power outage. The quality of SunSystem's products has really fallen off in the last year or so.

I'm still trying to find out if the Prism LEC ballast has an auto restrike feature.
@DemonTrich, aren't you using the Prism ballast with your LEC setup?

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I am going to guess none have it. The manual says to wait 20-30 minutes for restrike. It could turn back on real hot.

My titan controller does this automatically for any bulb. And has battery backup for the timer and settings.

I am going to get a second one for the LEC'.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I am going to guess none have it. The manual says to wait 20-30 minutes for restrike. It could turn back on real hot.

My titan controller does this automatically for any bulb. And has battery backup for the timer and settings.

I am going to get a second one for the LEC'.

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My Hydrofarm Phantom Ceramic ballast has the auto restrike feature in case of an outage. Both of my previous SunSystem LEC units featured that function, as well. Its a sad day when Hydrofarm products are outclassing SunSystem's.

I'll probably end up getting another Hydrofarm Ceramic Ballast, with a plug adapter, if the Prism LEC ballast is a no go.