Is it risky to remove fan leaves 5 weeks into flower?

SPLFreak808 said:

Nice... I'm more of a 9 blade fan leaf indica kinda guy, I shoot for quality and plenty of people here have taught me over the years that the more health your plant carries into late flower, the better the bud quality gets and so far i haven't been able to prove them wrong. No flushing & i feed to the end, most of my 7 gallon plants still have the starter leaves within the first 4 weeks of flower.

Have you ever tried that yet?

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I personally feel flushing is a personal subject, if u use alot of chemicals it's not a bad idea, if on the other hand you were more for natural neuts, bio degradable or you didn't use many neuts etcs then in theory you don't need to flush.
Keep in mind flushing may SLIGHTLY Improve taste/quality BUT you may lose over 10% Yield.

CannaBruh said:

I don't think we get a choice in the matter, the new growth areas will produce leaves in flower to a point in time where they don't.

If buds were only calyx what is everybody trimming?

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A "bud" is a compact knoblike growth on a plant that develops into a leaf, flower, or shoot, and only "slang" for what we smoke. I wouldn't use the slang term, of bud in reference, in this case, when semantics are in play.

We trim leaves from the 'colas', as cannabis forms flowers around them. The (sugar)leaf is not flower.

In this case cannabis is more like a dicot version of a gladiola, in where it has many flowers growing up the shoot.

Leaves are leaves, and flower is flower. In the case of cannabis, it's considered an 'incomplete', 'imperfect' flower in botany, as it doesn't contain both sex.

KRSTEK said:

I personally feel flushing is a personal subject, if u use alot of chemicals it's not a bad idea, if on the other hand you were more for natural neuts, bio degradable or you didn't use many neuts etcs then in theory you don't need to flush.
Keep in mind flushing may SLIGHTLY Improve taste/quality BUT you may lose over 10% Yield.

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Who are you trying to lie to?

Coming by soon. Journal ongoing. Your plants look amazing. + Rep

I think the one 420magazine expiriment sited earlier, indicates a middle of road approach is best. Extremes in anything causes problems... This goes for growing technique, religion, dedication to work, etc.... Middle of road approach makes sense to me in that extreme defoliation in flower does not make intuitive sense being the leaves do collect energy. Leaving it as natural as a french girls verticle lips will by of all means get you to finish as that is how nature kept the strain going for millenia before us growers...

However we can manipulate nature to our advantage... Its all about figuring out the balance between "improving" on nature while working along with natures demands...

mr sunshine said:

Who are you trying to lie to?

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Since when in an opinion a Lie? Let me guess cause flushing hasn't been proved on a scientific level to change quality?
Well all I can say is try flush and unflushed, personally for me it changed taste and made the quality better, sure we did notice less yield but tbh I perfered less and a better smoke. We simply flushed one plant and didn't flush another to compare same stains. If you tried it and noticed no difference, well I guess we all have different tastes and all you probably noticed was less yield.

KRSTEK said:

I personally feel flushing is a personal subject, if u use alot of chemicals it's not a bad idea, if on the other hand you were more for natural neuts, bio degradable or you didn't use many neuts etcs then in theory you don't need to flush.
Keep in mind flushing may SLIGHTLY Improve taste/quality BUT you may lose over 10% Yield.

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Have you considered tapering down the feed towards the end to get the best of both worlds? Try it if you have the space.

Ok so was ready to leave this post alone but watered tonight and ran into a gem. Thought I would share some pics. So much for a foot per gallon of soil.....plant is literally growing in 5 inches of soil......in a 3 gallon bag......and a little look at the defoil in action. Flipped on the 3rd so day 20 of flower depending on the date. I'm to tired to look. Have not fed nutes in over 25 days. Super soil is kicking ass. Will be adding some bloom boosters soon. Maybe. They are rocking as of right now. Happy Growing!

KRSTEK said:

Since when in an opinion a Lie? Let me guess cause flushing hasn't been proved on a scientific level to change quality?
Well all I can say is try flush and unflushed, personally for me it changed taste and made the quality better, sure we did notice less yield but tbh I perfered less and a better smoke. We simply flushed one plant and didn't flush another to compare same stains. If you tried it and noticed no difference, well I guess we all have different tastes and all you probably noticed was less yield.

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In my experience. The slower the proper cure is what bring out the better smells taste and burn. Properly cured bud should take at least 4 weeks. Anything less and your screwing yourself and other who are attempting to medicate.

Just an opinion. Works great for me.

Tone24 said:

Just move leaves gently aside, tuck them under and away thats all i did and ive had sucssesful results.

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Yup. Scrog net and tuck em under so they go horizontal a bit. Just keep tucking em under.

This deffolation or "schwazzing" is okay if you stick to the lower leaves that will never develop. Those bottom leaves that may not get any real light and may never develop can suck up energy.

So as o was watering I came across the 1 plant that never got an lst. A super crop . Or a top. All natural. And then the second plant has been fucked with. Same veg time. 1 is a 5 gallon. The bigger one. And one is a 3 gallon the first one. I know the pot size is different. So technically it's not a test.

But you can see a difference. And look at my last journal update for the plant I. The 1.5 gallons of dirt. It's literally growing in 5 in of dirt.....
So pot size can get fucked. So much for a foot per gallon of medium....

Hope this is relevant lol. I'm beat and need bedtime.

Happy Growing!!

First 2 pics are natural no training.
Last 2 are with training and 2 extra gallons of dirt.

ALong14U said:

So as o was watering I came across the 1 plant that never got an lst. A super crop . Or a top. All natural. And then the second plant has been fucked with. Same veg time. 1 is a 5 gallon. The bigger one. And one is a 3 gallon the first one. I know the pot size is different. So technically it's not a test.

But you can see a difference. And look at my last journal update for the plant I. The 1.5 gallons of dirt. It's literally growing in 5 in of dirt.....
So pot size can get fucked. So much for a foot per gallon of medium....

Hope this is relevant lol. I'm beat and need bedtime.

Happy Growing!!

First 2 pics are natural no training.
Last 2 are with training and 2 extra gallons of dirt.

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For the amount of space you are working with you are doing a great job. You could maybe do a scrog net with cheap PVC sprinkler pipe or cheap 3x5 pieces of wood. i think your trianing may work better in the small space.

MMJ Dreaming 99 said:

For the amount of space you are working with you are doing a great job. You could maybe do a scrog net with cheap PVC sprinkler pipe or cheap 3x5 pieces of wood. i think your trianing may work better in the small space.

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Thank you bro. I have considered a scrog and nets. But I think it would bring down the plant count. I rotate everyday. From hps to my. With a 180 degree turn. I am only technically at 75 watts per plant. But you could never tell. I have some ideas for the next crop as far as the room goes. But that will be in the next journal.

Thanks for the input. All ways want opinions and different points of view.
Happy Growing!!

Thanks for the input bro. I have considered scrog. Nets and what not. But think it would bring plant count down. I rotate between hps and MH. With a 180 degree turn 1 time a day. I run 75 watts per plant but you could never tell. I either hate myself or have much time on my hands. Lol.

Thanks for the info all ways want to learn and listen to people on this site.

SPLFreak808 said:

Have you considered tapering down the feed towards the end to get the best of both worlds? Try it if you have the space.

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Indeed I have on this last stain, infact I did intend to not flush these ones cause I went fairly easy on neuts

ALong14U said:

In my experience. The slower the proper cure is what bring out the better smells taste and burn. Properly cured bud should take at least 4 weeks. Anything less and your screwing yourself and other who are attempting to medicate.

Just an opinion. Works great for me.

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Totally agree, alot of people want to use their crop fast so some only do a 2 week cure and then complain....Enhancing the quality as you do is perfectly fine in my eyes

ALong14U said:

Ok so was ready to leave this post alone but watered tonight and ran into a gem. Thought I would share some pics. So much for a foot per gallon of soil.....plant is literally growing in 5 inches of soil......in a 3 gallon bag......and a little look at the defoil in action. Flipped on the 3rd so day 20 of flower depending on the date. I'm to tired to look. Have not fed nutes in over 25 days. Super soil is kicking ass. Will be adding some bloom boosters soon. Maybe. They are rocking as of right now. Happy Growing!

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Just for the sake of comparison, here is another shot of the same plant I posted earlier in the early stages of flower. This plant was so freaking bushy that I actually ended up doing far more selective pruning than I would ever normally do.

Thank You All for your great comments.

This discussion lead me to another question.

I heard of some harvesting in stages.
With the risks discussed above is this possible?

Question is: Does chopping part of your plant in flower to harvest the top buds / colas now shock the plant and create a risky situation for it to become a hermie or other problems as discussed above while waiting for the lower buds to develop more?

Thanks

Robogreen said:

Thank You All for your great comments.

This discussion lead me to another question.

I heard of some harvesting in stages.
With the risks discussed above is this possible?

Question is: Does chopping part of your plant in flower to harvest the top buds / colas now shock the plant and create a risky situation for it to become a hermie or other problems as discussed above while waiting for the lower buds to develop more?

Thanks

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By the time you chop the top cola's, the sex organs below would be already partly developed, and will remain whatever sex it is.

KRSTEK said:

Totally agree, alot of people want to use their crop fast so some only do a 2 week cure and then complain....Enhancing the quality as you do is perfectly fine in my eyes

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Makes my smoke more desirable than others. Smell taste and burn. And we grow the same strains half the time.
I'm patient in turn getting a higher return for medicine. Quick money is good. Long money is better