Less funding for low income housing, but no minimum wage increase = working homeless?!

ttystikk

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goldberg71b

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Im not going to argue with you. You really need to think through the concept.

If the lowest person at Mickey Ds gets a raise to 15 bucks an hour. Everyone else who is earning more than that person will expect and deserve the same percentage of a wage increase or they won't work there anymore. If you're the manager and let's say making 15 now and the low guy makes 7.50. If the guy at 7.50 is given another 7.50 for doing the same thing how do you think the manager will stay? So now the manager needs to make 30 because he's doing twice as much and so on. Now the value meal that already cost over 10 bucks where I live. Is now going to cost me 20 bucks. I can promise you this I'm not paying 20 bucks for a double qp meal. A family with 3 kids isn't going to pay 60 bucks for Mickey Ds. Then the store closes and they all make ZERO! Great plan.

Now that's not only going to happen at Mickey Ds. It's going to happen everywhere. Think mathematics and it being an equation that has to balance out. The only way it stays balanced is if every variable is multipled by the same multiple. So salaries go up across the board. The goods we buy all go up by the multiple. So the very people who everyone claims this would help when its over are no better off. They'll have bigger checks and all their bills go up and they're just as far behind as they are today.

Jobs pay what the market allows. Anyone who thinks that working at Mickey Ds should be paying a salary that could support a family of 5 isn't thinking clearly. These jobs are starter jobs and or part time jobs. In other words entry level jobs. A place school kids start or new graduates. Then they should be moving on to better jobs.
 
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UncleBuck

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goldberg71b said:
the value meal that already cost over 10 bucks where I live. Is now going to cost me 20 bucks. I can promise you this
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there are value meals in countries that pay over $15 an hour and the price is not double. i can promise you this.

goldberg71b said:
I'm not paying 20 bucks for a double qp meal. A family with 3 kids isn't going to pay 60 bucks for Mickey Ds.
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it concerns me that you are spending $30 at mcdonalds to feed yourself, your wife, and a child.

in fact, you are the reason why healthcare premiums are increasing, despite obamacare slowing the rise in costs.

btw, denmark pays $20 an hour and their big macs cost about the exact same as ours.

retard.
 
SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/des-moines-iowa-affordable-housing-brooklyn?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email

The Chump administration proposes a 15% cut in HUD funding while Republican led governments are nixing minimum wage increases. Homeless shelters are already full to bursting, so what happens to these people?

How is it acceptable to work a full time job in 21st century America, yet not earn enough money to avoid homelessness?!
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Read an article the other day about certain Canadian provinces that now will just pay a rent on basic accommodation (like an unfurnished one bed apartment) for homeless people with no preconditions if they have substance abuse issues.

What's more is that they've found it's nearly 3x cheaper than the cost of shelters, frontline services, etc when they were living on the street.

It's a shame right wingers are more ideologues than the money savvy businessmen they claim to be.
 
Grandpapy

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goldberg71b said:
OMG

Im not going to argue with you. You really need to think through the concept.

If the lowest person at Mickey Ds gets a raise to 15 bucks an hour. Everyone else who is earning more than that person will expect and deserve the same percentage of a wage increase or they won't work there anymore. If you're the manager and let's say making 15 now and the low guy makes 7.50. If the guy at 7.50 is given another 7.50 for doing the same thing how do you think the manager will stay? So now the manager needs to make 30 because he's doing twice as much and so on. Now the value meal that already cost over 10 bucks where I live. Is now going to cost me 20 bucks. I can promise you this I'm not paying 20 bucks for a double qp meal. A family with 3 kids isn't going to pay 60 bucks for Mickey Ds. Then the store closes and they all make ZERO! Great plan.

Now that's not only going to happen at Mickey Ds. It's going to happen everywhere. Think mathematics and it being an equation that has to balance out. The only way it stays balanced is if every variable is multipled by the same multiple. So salaries go up across the board. The goods we buy all go up by the multiple. So the very people who everyone claims this would help when its over are no better off. They'll have bigger checks and all their bills go up and they're just as far behind as they are today.

Jobs pay what the market allows. Anyone who thinks that working at Mickey Ds should be paying a salary that could support a family of 5 isn't thinking clearly. These jobs are starter jobs and or part time jobs. In other words entry level jobs. A place school kids start or new graduates. Then they should be moving on to better jobs.
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Consider the time and national pressure that got this mentality started with Nixon.
If China can build Islands in the So. Pacific, Then they have been lifted out of poverty.
 
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goldberg71b

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SneekyNinja said:
Read an article the other day about certain Canadian provinces that now will just pay a rent on basic accommodation (like an unfurnished one bed apartment) for homeless people with no preconditions if they have substance abuse issues.

What's more is that they've found it's nearly 3x cheaper than the cost of shelters, frontline services, etc when they were living on the street.

It's a shame right wingers are more ideologues than the money savvy businessmen they claim to be.
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I'm surprised it's only 3x more. The government is usually even less effiencent than that. That's why we complain about spending. We never get what we pay for. We spend about 5x as much on education. And what's that get us. Kids that can't compete. But lets throw more money at it. That would surely make it better.
 
SneekyNinja

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goldberg71b said:
I'm surprised it's only 3x more. The government is usually even less effiencent than that. That's why we complain about spending. We never get what we pay for. We spend about 5x as much on education. And what's that get us. Kids that can't compete. But lets throw more money at it. That would surely make it better.
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Admittedly I see it potentially causing issues with increased demand in the lower end of the private rental market but thats the only real downside I see.

So it's cheaper and has an obvious benefit but would be decried as "socialist".
 
dandyrandy

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goldberg71b said:
OMG

Im not going to argue with you. You really need to think through the concept.

If the lowest person at Mickey Ds gets a raise to 15 bucks an hour. Everyone else who is earning more than that person will expect and deserve the same percentage of a wage increase or they won't work there anymore. If you're the manager and let's say making 15 now and the low guy makes 7.50. If the guy at 7.50 is given another 7.50 for doing the same thing how do you think the manager will stay? So now the manager needs to make 30 because he's doing twice as much and so on. Now the value meal that already cost over 10 bucks where I live. Is now going to cost me 20 bucks. I can promise you this I'm not paying 20 bucks for a double qp meal. A family with 3 kids isn't going to pay 60 bucks for Mickey Ds. Then the store closes and they all make ZERO! Great plan.

Now that's not only going to happen at Mickey Ds. It's going to happen everywhere. Think mathematics and it being an equation that has to balance out. The only way it stays balanced is if every variable is multipled by the same multiple. So salaries go up across the board. The goods we buy all go up by the multiple. So the very people who everyone claims this would help when its over are no better off. They'll have bigger checks and all their bills go up and they're just as far behind as they are today.

Jobs pay what the market allows. Anyone who thinks that working at Mickey Ds should be paying a salary that could support a family of 5 isn't thinking clearly. These jobs are starter jobs and or part time jobs. In other words entry level jobs. A place school kids start or new graduates. Then they should be moving on to better jobs.
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What a canned answer. Psst, that's why you raise the minimum wage. It helps raise everyone's wage. You might even get a raise. What do you do?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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goldberg71b said:
OMG

Im not going to argue with you. You really need to think through the concept.

If the lowest person at Mickey Ds gets a raise to 15 bucks an hour. Everyone else who is earning more than that person will expect and deserve the same percentage of a wage increase or they won't work there anymore. If you're the manager and let's say making 15 now and the low guy makes 7.50. If the guy at 7.50 is given another 7.50 for doing the same thing how do you think the manager will stay? So now the manager needs to make 30 because he's doing twice as much and so on. Now the value meal that already cost over 10 bucks where I live. Is now going to cost me 20 bucks. I can promise you this I'm not paying 20 bucks for a double qp meal. A family with 3 kids isn't going to pay 60 bucks for Mickey Ds. Then the store closes and they all make ZERO! Great plan.

Now that's not only going to happen at Mickey Ds. It's going to happen everywhere. Think mathematics and it being an equation that has to balance out. The only way it stays balanced is if every variable is multipled by the same multiple. So salaries go up across the board. The goods we buy all go up by the multiple. So the very people who everyone claims this would help when its over are no better off. They'll have bigger checks and all their bills go up and they're just as far behind as they are today.

Jobs pay what the market allows. Anyone who thinks that working at Mickey Ds should be paying a salary that could support a family of 5 isn't thinking clearly. These jobs are starter jobs and or part time jobs. In other words entry level jobs. A place school kids start or new graduates. Then they should be moving on to better jobs.
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So in other words, let them fucking sleep on a park bench because McDonald's needs to shave a few pennies off the price of their Big Mac.

This just proves you have no compassion.

Seattle, WA increased their minimum wage to $15/he and you know what happened? The entire economy improved.

Which just proves that you believe Republican talking points over the truth.
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/des-moines-iowa-affordable-housing-brooklyn?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email

The Chump administration proposes a 15% cut in HUD funding while Republican led governments are nixing minimum wage increases. Homeless shelters are already full to bursting, so what happens to these people?

How is it acceptable to work a full time job in 21st century America, yet not earn enough money to avoid homelessness?!
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And this is how it starts..combined with 30% that believes in their own set of facts?

As to the last question? that's the whole idea..MOP gets all and we get to live in a Tim Burton movie.
 
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fdd2blk

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ttystikk said:
So in other words, let them fucking sleep on a park bench because McDonald's needs to shave a few pennies off the price of their Big Mac.

This just proves you have no compassion.

Seattle, WA increased their minimum wage to $15/he and you know what happened? The entire economy improved.

Which just proves that you believe Republican talking points over the truth.
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If raising minimum wage improves the economy why do we need laws to enforce doing it?
Wouldn't smart business owners do it on their own already?
 
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schuylaar

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SneekyNinja said:
"We"...

What happened to your 6 figure sales job?
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Do you not follow me? If you did, you'd know I've been complaining that (for this exercise we'll use Fortune 500s):

  1. MOP wants us to spend more and more for the lastest version of their overpriced shit from china.
  2. They refuse to increase wages for employees in order to afford purchase of latest version of said overpriced shit from china instead encourage additional employment to afford goods and services.
  3. They're reducing budgets that other businesses partners rely on for their company's revenue because THEY, Fortune 500s, have to cut back.
  4. They do not pay their fair share of taxes if they pay anything at all.
  5. They receive billions in tax cuts; instead of trickle down, share the wealth, they hoard their money. For trickle down to work, you must spend those tax savings in/on America.
Do you see how fast Nordstroms canned Ivankas shit once it stopped selling?:lol:

I shop smart and pay almost nothing for goods, smallest or most financially advantageous for ME..That's the key folks! and they're feeling it..got a call from a business I frequent to tell me I had $100 coupon deposited into my account for services, that's huge for that company I'll use the coupon for services that cost just over $100..see? it works! And they will have gotten nothing from me but single dollars..instead of the $600 that they want me to spend.:wink:

The consumer is so strong here, that if we got together and said 'boycott brand X this week'..we would bring them to their knees.

That's what we REALLY need to do and HOW we are going to do it..TARGETED BOYCOTT.
 
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twostrokenut

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ttystikk said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/des-moines-iowa-affordable-housing-brooklyn?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email

The Chump administration proposes a 15% cut in HUD funding while Republican led governments are nixing minimum wage increases. Homeless shelters are already full to bursting, so what happens to these people?

How is it acceptable to work a full time job in 21st century America, yet not earn enough money to avoid homelessness?!
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Because you traded actual money for credit receipts? Derp.
 
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