Topdawg Genetics

BigLittlejohn said:

Personally, when I try my hand at chucking pollen, before I release anything for sale I'm going to run the cross and have a select group of peers run it. I think this is not only best practice, but as a practical matter, I want to be able to fully describe for the consumer what can generally be expected. I think that's reasonable. If I just cross fire genetics and release it seems like my pricing should reflect the lack of "work" and include some disclosure. But that's me, I know others see it differently.

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Nothing wrong with that.
But just food for thought, we are probably not getting the best genetics the world has to offer.
The people with the best, might not want their genetics out there.
Also, they may be in states where it's still illegal.
One of those reasons is probably why the real skunk isn't available. People think because it's not in a seed bank or in a forum, it must not exist!
Friggin internet stupidity!

how is this even a debate..i'm backin outta this one. No energy for shoveling shit against the tide this morning. Have a good day

kona gold said:

Nothing wrong with that.
But just food for thought, we are probably not getting the best genetics the world has to offer.
The people with the best, might not want their genetics out there.
Also, they may be in states where it's still illegal.
One of those reasons is probably why the real skunk isn't available. People think because it's not in a seed bank or in a forum, it must not exist!
Friggin internet stupidity!

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See I think people like Bodhi are making the best genetics available. Sure certain people and crews hold stuff close to the vest but I am confident that with the right plugs you can get just about anything.

I know folks going through old beans as we talk looking for that old school road kill skunk.

To be clear though on the testing point....it's not the fact that he releases untested gear to the market it's that he prices it as if it is tested and worked, when in fact he cant even show me a picture of most of his new crosses. That to me, from a consumer perspective, is problematic.

BigLittlejohn said:

See I think people like Bodhi are making the best genetics available. Sure certain people and crews hold stuff close to the vest but I am confident that with the right plugs you can get just about anything.

I know folks going through old beans as we talk looking for that old school road kill skunk.

To be clear though on the testing point....it's not the fact that he releases untested gear to the market it's that he prices it as if it is tested and worked, when in fact he cant even show me a picture of most of his new crosses. That to me, from a consumer perspective, is problematic.

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First off, I think Bohdi is a great f1 breeder. But even though he tests a lot, still some herm issues and weak expressions.
As for JJ, I don't see it the same as you, as I have been making seeds for a long time, and it's my passion.
I see what he is doing and pricing accordingly. He is pricing according to what he expects the outcome to be. He most likely has a clear picture in his mind how strains he is working with will combine. And the most exotic or sought after crosses are priced higher.
But again the testing thing is bogus. Too many factors to control with somany ddifferent setups and no constants or control's.

Also, he does know most of the strains, he isI working with fairly well, so he should have some good knowledge on the outcomes.

I have run into a few herms from his gear, but that seems to happen with a good amount of breeders.

My strange love from Bodhi herms, butI keep it rregardless, as it is manageable and the product that comes out is top quality.

And I also have been following any RKS posts, and know about the folks with the old beans.
But really have my doubts that any would crack no matter how they were stored. But again that is not going to be the original, But some hybrid most likely. There were just so many different skunk strains going around back then, all the street dealers had dime bags of skunk, and all seemed a little different.
But to get the real skunk, with the deep skunk flavor and aftertaste that could be tasted for like an hour afterwards, with that heavy up trippy happy high, that would be a great thing! Although, the downside most might not be remembering was that it put you to sleep on the come down.

kds710 said:

how is this even a debate..i'm backin outta this one. No energy for shoveling shit against the tide this morning. Have a good day

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Good call for you.

The problem is people See Value at different Monetary Value.

If JJ values his so called untested works at $300-$400 so be it. If he see's worked beans at $600 or more so be it.

Why is their few people in this thread complaining about $300 for a pack of seeds. This blows my mind when there are so many other (well i guess less expensive options out there)...

All you have to move is 2 zips $200 - $250.

The problem has been shown, $300 tag is to much to play... Get a part time job.

Cleary if it was not to expensive to some their would be zero complaints.

I'd have to say at least grow out f1 to see what happens. A lot of the genetic expression is a lottery.
Just for my own reputation in gonna grow out f1s to make sure, not necessarily for hermaphroditism, but promo pics and assurance to my customers that "this plant is indeed fire" Keep in mind you've got nearly a doubling of market share now and anyone can take it.
JJ and others like him seem to think they can ride the popularity of 2012-15. But how's he gonna convince suzy homemaker with her veggie garden and or the old Vietnam vet who can now grow his own. They don't have ig, don't care what "crew" or what "beef", but have every right to a quality product and they're money is as good as anyones. (I'm that consumer)
They can ride the fame for only so long before its time to learn some salesmanship/manners. The worlds changing and they either change with it or get left behind

Its all about who knows you..

Send him a message; their are seeds available.

all I expect is honesty from the breeder, thats it, I'll take my lumps with regular seeds any day. I'll test them and buy more or not.

Sorry man. Its got nothing to do with who you know or who knows you.
Cash is king and if you can't hustle you get burried.
Ford thought he had cornered the market then came dodge/Chrysler, basically making the same product cheaper
JJ would be ford in this scenerio. Gu=dodge soon there will be a chevy, and a Buick, etc etc. Look at coca cola, look at pampers, look at cambels.
Exclusivity breeds copycats.
The market will be appeased.
Demand always filled by supply.
Like it or not there are no exceptions in any business.
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT lol. Rule #1

morgwar said:

Sorry man. Its got nothing to do with who you know or who knows you.
Cash is king and if you can't hustle you get burried.
Ford thought he had cornered the market then came dodge/Chrysler, basically making the same product cheaper
JJ would be ford in this scenerio. Gu=dodge soon there will be a chevy, and a Buick, etc etc. Look at coca cola, look at pampers, look at cambels.
Exclusivity breeds copycats.
The market will be appeased.
Demand always filled by supply.
Like it or not there are no exceptions in any business.
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT lol. Rule #1

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If you want to use the analogy of a ford fine.

I would say againts other companies geared towards chem he is a Benz and they fords.

You notice that they use His work and not the later?

When I say it's about who knows you, that just relates to things given / gifted vs purchasing through seedbanks.

Lightgreen2k said:

If you want to use the analogy of a ford fine.

I would say againts other companies geared towards chem he is a Benz and they fords.

You notice that they use His work and not the later?

When I say it's about who knows you, that just relates to things given / gifted vs purchasing through seedbanks.

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Absolutely! But note how ford responded to this. He didn't throw fits and bash dodge in the media. He improved his product and learned how to market it. He accepted his reality and adapted.
While the cannabis version of ford throws temper tantrums and sulks in the corner

Its silly to think that someone who has put over 10 stacks into a certain breeder's pocket in this calendar year alone can't afford a $300 pack.

Far from the point, but reading comprehension is clearly an issue for some. Learn to read Bama.

morgwar said:

Absolutely! But note how ford responded to this. He didn't throw fits and bash dodge in the media. He improved his product and learned how to market it. He accepted his reality and adapted.
While the cannabis version of ford throws temper tantrums and sulks in the corner

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And calls people fuck boys out of petty jealousy. It is quite off putting.

And the idea that he doesn't use others other's work is bunk. He is using Nevilles A5 for example. But you can't tell fanboys anything. They scoff at you for buying the same quality for 1/3 of the price for the same genetics. Its not even off branding since genetics are what they are.

morgwar said:

Absolutely! But note how ford responded to this. He didn't throw fits and bash dodge in the media. He improved his product and learned how to market it. He accepted his reality and adapted.
While the cannabis version of ford throws temper tantrums and sulks in the corner

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....and since ford wont announce a release date for his Raindance x Medicine Man hybrid......he's going to lose market share in about five minutes. I'm stickin with Rain Man for the moment.
who's in

BUBBLEGUM DIESEL
Purple Pheno - seems to be a good mix of chem 91 an bubblegum traits. I also have a green pheno that seems to run tresdawg dom. shitty pics... sorry. only snapped pics of the purple phone for now

Those pictures look decent enough. Nice work.

BigLittlejohn said:

Those pictures look decent enough. Nice work.

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Thank you. More to come

morgwar said:

Sorry man. Its got nothing to do with who you know or who knows you.
Cash is king and if you can't hustle you get burried.
Ford thought he had cornered the market then came dodge/Chrysler, basically making the same product cheaper
JJ would be ford in this scenerio. Gu=dodge soon there will be a chevy, and a Buick, etc etc. Look at coca cola, look at pampers, look at cambels.
Exclusivity breeds copycats.
The market will be appeased.
Demand always filled by supply.
Like it or not there are no exceptions in any business.
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT lol. Rule #1

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If you are comparing cannabis to Ford or regular commodity, and that's what you believe, then it's just gonna be just another product.

Cannabis is a gift from God, it is sooooo much more than just another commodity! It makes me sad that people think this way, and feel this industry should be just like every other industry!
That's the fucking problem with cannabis these days and why her potency and especially all her manyddifferent affects are being lost, and not preserved.
Today's new growers don't truly believe in the magic this plant has to offer!
Sooooo many, so called beautiful buds out there, and when I smoke them, there is no more soul in the smoke. Rare to find that magic!
You guys want a standard product, and that product will be 20 bucks an ounce, and it will have zero medicinal value!
And seeds will be 5 bucks a pack, and everyone will dance with joy, until they realise that what they are growing has no value anymore, and it will cost more to grow than to by at the local produce stand!
Sorry, maybe most of you don't realize the magic, because someone on the internet will break it down into component parts, and explain it in terms of science, Not magic, so the science becomes the reality.
If you didn't grow up humping suppliesto your outdoor grow, that you had to go scout out prior to planting, and didn't shed some serious blood sweat and paranoia plus rip offs, you will NEVER understand this plant completely.

BigLittlejohn said:

And calls people fuck boys out of petty jealousy. It is quite off putting.

And the idea that he doesn't use others other's work is bunk. He is using Nevilles A5 for example. But you can't tell fanboys anything. They scoff at you for buying the same quality for 1/3 of the price for the same genetics. Its not even off branding since genetics are what they are.

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He took a piss all over Ink's IG while trying to prop himself up with whitedawg... sucka you did not find invent or anything the white.

Aaaaall the waaaaay back on IC you find a thread titled "White Dawg" or some shit, where did he cite Krome for the white he used in that "award winning" cross? If it's so award winning why aren't you making it still?

That kind of attitude is going to get the kinds of comments from users like those seen in this thread. How many of us with negative things to say have ran TD gear, and a lot of it, and for years.

It's not like we're saying he's 100% a fraud, but just that he's on some bullshit when you factor in his attitude towards friends coupled with his breeding practices and prices.