Hi, new here. Fell into a commercial grow operation

MichiganMedGrower

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I'm in Michigan too. Check with your local grow shops and dispensaries if you can find one. They should be able to answer your questions. I would suggest you start small and grow your business slowly. Another thing for you to consider is who will be your customer base? Here in Michigan a caregivers permit requires a grower to sign up customers and the grower is allowed to grow 12 plants per signee.

Good luck, BigSteve.

He is talking of a new commercial medical Grow. They are licensing large Grows this year. Dispensaries will also have to all be re liscensed.

And current caregivers are not allowed to work in the facilities unless they changed that.

And an armored car company will make the most money transporting the product from Grow to store and such.

They got the seed to sale software ready to go. Everything will be scanned and taxed at each step too.
 

Dr. Who

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He is talking of a new commercial medical Grow. They are licensing large Grows this year. Dispensaries will also have to all be re liscensed.

And current caregivers are not allowed to work in the facilities unless they changed that.

And an armored car company will make the most money transporting the product from Grow to store and such.

They got the seed to sale software ready to go. Everything will be scanned and taxed at each step too.
They are actually still looking at refining the actual terms of the law as far as a storefront and connected grow operation. It's looking good for that to happen. The thing is still going to be about getting that lic. and the point of sale lic. Lic. application fee's (none refundable) have now gone up to 6K per lic. Grow levels are still 500 - 1000 - 1500.
The ability of caregivers to actually work in a lic. facility and maintain their op. Is also being debated yet..... I say it's going to be an up hill battle, considering that those on the licencing board have to breathe though 33 feet of intestine to simply survive!

"Processing" step will be refining concentrates, and making edibles. The initial idea of a processing center actually doing the trimming and dry/cure is basically scrapped. The argument that it would cause too much damage to the medicine/product has actually sunk in!!
It will now be part of the grow operation. Defined and detailed records of all "off fall" is still being debated. Looks to be that all the material not used as "buds" will be included in being transported and that "processors" will then have to destroy the "unusable" portions as they will be doing that with the off fall from processing. Again, heavily detailed reports on just what is used and not, including the disposal of. Has to be heavily documented.

The fucknut who spent so much time and money getting the new laws passed. So he could control the "Secure transportation" part. Is slowly losing his vision of big $ for little work investment. (Hussah!)

Sadly, I suspect down the road reductions in us caregivers numbers per patient. Are still going to come down. Especially if the recreational vote pass's this coming year. It (ballot proposal signatures) was successfully delivered to the state just last week or so.

As far as commercial grows go, been there, done that. Declined the offer to run the old ops I sold off.....Add plants and go for it ready.... These were soil operations. For the sake of quality and medical viability. I would be looking at organic soil operations and some synthetic soil applications to be the ones that hit the top shelves more then not.

Those running the hydro ops. These are the guys you would think about being profit oriented, and strictly scheduled. I would be inclined to say that those not having true experienced commercial operators/ set ups. Are going to have initial run problems. Including stupid mistakes like not sanitizing the whole damn enchalada before firing up. It will happen and I'll bet they use naughty methods of dealing with "problems" to save the first few crops, to make that initial first needed profits to continue operational cost's.

If I was to invest in any new op. I would have to be DAMN sure I trusted my head grower to know exactly what he's doing....

I got an offer to move to Canada and run a provision/grow op just yesterday......In Toronto, or Aurora buy a well knowing relative. I'm not interested as the cost of living up in that area is simply insane!

A 50K home here, is over 3/4 to 1 million there.....Not my cup of tea. Now if I could get that kind of pay offer here..... I'll take it! Flat out like a lizard drink'in!

I know of folks looking at that provisioning/growing center as a place to not just fill the point of sale but to do serious breeding. On the same quality level as parts of Cali,Or and CO.... We'll see how that goes yet..eh?

It still boils down to. Who's going to pay upwards of $24 to $30 dollars a gram? Everyone will be tacking on the cost of their tax, to the next guy down the road. Greed sucks!
Well, there's my 2 cents....
 
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Dr. Who

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Hi!

I just signed up and wanted to make a post. I have been interested in this industry for a while, but never committed to be part of it because of the shaky legal grounds in Michigan. I have a building and found that I can have it zoned commercially for medical marijuana. Its a small town and after talking with the city it sounds like I shouldn't have a problem with city zoning, and after reviewing the state application details I don't think I will have a problem qualifying. I have about 50,000 square foot building and was looking at setting up a growing, processing, and provisional facility in part of it.

I have the money to invest in equipment, and I have been researching grow operations for a little while. I however, do not have any experience with growing, and have never actually used cannabis before.

I was wondering if anybody knows where I might be able to find individuals interested in being part of and/or running an operation like this? I am new to this scene, and was wondering if anybody might be able to help me find experienced people in the Michigan area who are looking to be part of a big operation.

I have been looking at different grow setups, and think I like the idea of using pallet racking with 2 levels of plants. I see 4x8 flood trays that fit right in the racking, and I like the idea of hydroponic to be able to fully control the variables of the grow room. I attached a picture of a setup I saw that I really liked. I like the idea of running a 8' tall pallet racking with 2 levels with almost 4' of space on each level. I also like the idea of maximizing efficiency and using the space in a way that provides the most amount of product per cubic foot.

I guess one first question I have is whether its better to design and put together a facility with more small plants, or less larger plants? I was looking at different 4x4 LED light fixtures, and not sure what is an ideal amount of plants to put under each light.

Also, from a guy who has never used cannabis before; how would I go about selecting a good variety of strains to grow? I see they have different strains rated on different sites based on popularity. Is that a good way to start?

It seems there is so much information on the internet, and in my position without any experience I'm finding it difficult to navigate through it all.

I hope to learn a lot here!

Thanks!
Matt
#1: You need to secure a good lawyer on the need to get a Licence! OR, simply get some serious information from them on the subject!

#2: I feel your looking at this the wrong way. You want good sized plants in soil growing ops for the quality and ease factor. 1 boo -boo in hydro and you could lose a whole crop section. Soil is forgiving and easier to save (as long as the head grower knows what he's doing to start with.) I'll hear other opinions on this but, over the years I've grown. I'll stick to my opinion. Well, unless you get Ed R. to set up an op...

A: The operator you would hire should be allowed to make the operational choices for how he would grow for your desired purpose. Listen to the expert, not your un experienced heart on this subject!

B: The same goes for the type of lighting involved. Larger plants do better with HID ( 9-10 footers). Naturally, this calls for a larger operation, sqft wise. Tall ceilings are key here. Your going to be looking at DE lighting, with tall plants.

#3: " It seems there is so much information on the internet, and in my position without any experience I'm finding it difficult to navigate through it all." Exactly!
 

MichiganMedGrower

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They are actually still looking at refining the actual terms of the law as far as a storefront and connected grow operation. It's looking good for that to happen. The thing is still going to be about getting that lic. and the point of sale lic. Lic. application fee's (none refundable) have now gone up to 6K per lic. Grow levels are still 500 - 1000 - 1500.
The ability of caregivers to actually work in a lic. facility and maintain their op. Is also being debated yet..... I say it's going to be an up hill battle, considering that those on the licencing board have to breathe though 33 feet of intestine to simply survive!

"Processing" step will be refining concentrates, and making edibles. The initial idea of a processing center actually doing the trimming and dry/cure is basically scrapped. The argument that it would cause too much damage to the medicine/product has actually sunk in!!
It will now be part of the grow operation. Defined and detailed records of all "off fall" is still being debated. Looks to be that all the material not used as "buds" will be included in being transported and that "processors" will then have to destroy the "unusable" portions as they will be doing that with the off fall from processing. Again, heavily detailed reports on just what is used and not, including the disposal of. Has to be heavily documented.

The fucknut who spent so much time and money getting the new laws passed. So he could control the "Secure transportation" part. Is slowly losing his vision of big $ for little work investment. (Hussah!)

Sadly, I suspect down the road reductions in us caregivers numbers per patient. Are still going to come down. Especially if the recreational vote pass's this coming year. It (ballot proposal signatures) was successfully delivered to the state just last week or so.

As far as commercial grows go, been there, done that. Declined the offer to run the old ops I sold off.....Add plants and go for it ready.... These were soil operations. For the sake of quality and medical viability. I would be looking at organic soil operations and some synthetic soil applications to be the ones that hit the top shelves more then not.

Those running the hydro ops. These are the guys you would think about being profit oriented, and strictly scheduled. I would be inclined to say that those not having true experienced commercial operators/ set ups. Are going to have initial run problems. Including stupid mistakes like not sanitizing the whole damn enchalada before firing up. It will happen and I'll bet they use naughty methods of dealing with "problems" to save the first few crops, to make that initial first needed profits to continue operational cost's.

If I was to invest in any new op. I would have to be DAMN sure I trusted my head grower to know exactly what he's doing....

I got an offer to move to Canada and run a provision/grow op just yesterday......In Toronto, or Aurora buy a well knowing relative. I'm not interested as the cost of living up in that area is simply insane!

A 50K home here, is over 3/4 to 1 million there.....Not my cup of tea. Now if I could get that kind of pay offer here..... I'll take it! Flat out like a lizard drink'in!

I know of folks looking at that provisioning/growing center as a place to not just fill the point of sale but to do serious breeding. On the same quality level as parts of Cali,Or and CO.... We'll see how that goes yet..eh?

It still boils down to. Who's going to pay upwards of $24 to $30 dollars a gram? Everyone will be tacking on the cost of their tax, to the next guy down the road. Greed sucks!
Well, there's my 2 cents....
Ok thanks I guess.

But the more you post the less I believe you are who you say you are.

I liked it better when you had me on ignore.
 

Dr. Who

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Ok thanks I guess.

But the more you post the less I believe you are who you say you are.

I liked it better when you had me on ignore.

This info has been reported all over the news. From TV to more in depth PBS reports. Mostly just over the last 2 -4 weeks.
I supplied more info, and in greater detail. Did I step on your feet or something?

Those would be The local CBS and NBC affiliates, and the UM PBS station(s).

Your free to believe anything you want. Same for Joe.....Maybe, you should put ME on ignore!
Then you would never see anything I post.....Same for anybody else you don't like.

By the way. I never "put you on ignore". I simply had nothing to say to your posts or simply acted as an adult and didn't pay attention to you.

I only answered with more in depth info...Info that you could find if you tried....deeper then Mlive....
 

greg nr

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Just a note of caution, growers in Oregon at least are talking about getting $500/lb for top shelf product. Remember, they can't sell to anyone except dispensaries and processors under seed to sale. So rec pricing isn't relevant.

Better be able to make numbers work if it gets to that in MI. $1/gm... damn.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Just a note of caution, growers in Oregon at least are talking about getting $500/lb for top shelf product. Remember, they can't sell to anyone except dispensaries and processors under seed to sale. So rec pricing isn't relevant.

Better be able to make numbers work if it gets to that in MI. $1/gm... damn.

Many home growers dump their shitty outdoor for $100 oz. now out here. I have seen bulk go lower. everyone buys the cheap stuff while it lasts and worries about Christmas with their money.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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This info has been reported all over the news. From TV to more in depth PBS reports. Mostly just over the last 2 -4 weeks.
I supplied more info, and in greater detail. Did I step on your feet or something?

Those would be The local CBS and NBC affiliates, and the UM PBS station(s).

Your free to believe anything you want. Same for Joe.....Maybe, you should put ME on ignore!
Then you would never see anything I post.....Same for anybody else you don't like.

By the way. I never "put you on ignore". I simply had nothing to say to your posts or simply acted as an adult and didn't pay attention to you.

I only answered with more in depth info...Info that you could find if you tried....deeper then Mlive....

I sure didn't ask your opinion but ok.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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Just a note of caution, growers in Oregon at least are talking about getting $500/lb for top shelf product. Remember, they can't sell to anyone except dispensaries and processors under seed to sale. So rec pricing isn't relevant.

Better be able to make numbers work if it gets to that in MI. $1/gm... damn.
No one with half a brain is takin $500 for top shelf.
I'm in Oregon. Outdoor is 8-12. Deps are 16-2. Indoor is 2-24.
 

greg nr

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No one with half a brain is takin $500 for top shelf.
I'm in Oregon. Outdoor is 8-12. Deps are 16-2. Indoor is 2-24.
Its even mentioned in the latest brownguy420 youtube vid for solo farms. He is talking about rec legal commercial prices.

If it's higher, it's higher. I'm not there and just going on what I hear.
 
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Dr. Who

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Its even mentioned in the latest brownguy420 youtube vid for solo farms. He is talking about rec legal commercial prices.

If it's higher, it's higher. I'm not there and just going on what I hear.
I think the guy is talking though 25 ft of intestine. Politico's have more then the average human to hold all that BS they spout. Say around 35 ft. Once they get their head up there real nice. They speak through about 33 ft...

Ever been in a legal recreational point of sale? Cost and tax = fair market pricing.....
 

Dr. Who

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I sure didn't ask your opinion but ok.
It's an open forum. You get those. Good or bad......From people you may like or otherwise.

Sure not answering from any insult or attack angle, and don't intend any towards you either. Just saying.

Ok is fine with me.... 8)
 

DirtyEyeball696

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First. Since this is seed to sale you will have to run any employees for a criminal background check


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DirtyEyeball696

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Also it’s nice to see people getting into this without a clue. Couldn’t take care of 12 plants without problems now they wanna take care of thousands lol
Do you know all that weed will be tracked and you can’t even transport it to a distribution center without a middle man? And it has to be tested amongst other regulations. Have fun growing


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