1st time Organics, Diferent strains, Searching for Mother plants

Hey guys, i have been reading on this forum for quite some time.. this is my 3rd Grow, and its my first time posting.. the first 2 grows were Dwc and i liked it but now i am trying organics/dirt for the first time.


I am allready in week 4 of the grow and decided to post it here so i can keep a log of my grow and get help and advice..


I spent almost all my budget on seeds, i just wanted to try them all hahaha and im looking to find a mother of wich one of those strains i bought


They are:


-Elemental Seeds Mango Tango

-Delicious Seeds Cotton Candy

-Bodhi Seeds Lavender Aura

-Brothers Grimm Cinderella 99

-Dank Genetics Sour Lemonaid


I planted them in a “locally bought dirt/Organic Compost/Perlite” mix


I have a 2,4mX1,5m grow tent and i am using a 600watt Hps for veg


I am also using a Reverse Osmosis filter and doing compost teas


The very first time i fed them i made a mistake and put PHDOWN in the water and PH was 5... right after 2 days i started seeing yellow leaves with brown spots...


After that i have been feeding kelp only mixed in water and dont even change the PH ( I still have not figured this PH thing out with organic growing)


Today I fed them my first compost tea and it was made of:


1Cup Bat Guano NPK 7-3-1

1Cup Kelp meal

2cups Worm castings

1 tbsp Sugar ( i didnt have molasses)



Here are some pictures:

Looking for mothers.
Well, straighten out your grow.
Then take clones from each. Flower and find out which plants are keepers.
You can reveg or even make some seed stock of each strain.

Options, option, what to do?

Ringsixty said:

Looking for mothers. Well first straighten out your grow.
Then take clones of each. Flower and find out which are keepers.

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Thats exactly what i plan to do my friend

Its just my first time growing with dirt... do you have any ideia of what the yellowing, brown spots and leaf crispyness could be from? Maybe because i dont correct ph?

I read with organics uou should not worry much about PH..

Great on same page.
I grow only in soil.

Always check Ph. Soil and water.

Lock out, comes to mind.

Overwatering , bad Ph common cause.

Ringsixty said:

Great on same page.

Always check Ph. Soil and water.

Lock out, comes to mind.

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What do you think would be the best way to correct PH without killing the microbes and bacteria in the soil?

Do i wait for the next feeding or should i just water and correct ph now before it gets worse??

Green420Lungs said:

What do you think would be the best way to correct PH without killing the microbes and bacteria in the soil?

Do i wait for the next feeding or should i just water and correct ph now before it gets worse??

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I water them every 3 days, i dont water alot, when water starts coming out the bottom i stop

What is your soil recipe @Green420Lungs

ShLUbY said:

What is your soil recipe @Green420Lungs

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Im from europe and didnt find any known organic dirt so i had to go with some normal/standart dirt i found here that i mixed with organic compost and 40% perlite.. i think i can still give all the beneficial stuff through compost teas... Am i wrong here?

When was the last watering?
I would first let them dry up. Use the weight / Lift method to determine when to water.
While waiting for that to happen. Test your water Ph. If needed, adjust it for the next watering.
Eliminated the easiest first possible cause.

Ph test your soil would be a good idea. Since you made it yourself.

Ringsixty said:

When was the last watering?
I would first let them dry up. Use the weight / Lift method to determine when to water.
While waiting for this to happen. Test your waters Ph. If needed adjust it for the next watering.

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Last watering was today 4 hours before taking pictures... compost tea... how do i test ph now? In the dirt?

Learn about organic soil. Don't try to sustain these plants on tea alone; teas are not really supposed to be used in lieu of the nutrients that should be in the soil. Your mix will get better after you amend and recycle it a few times. You may consider adding an organic cal-mag as soluble sources are kind of hard to provide when starting out with a fresh mix and RO water.
That is a fuckin lot of bat guano in a tea btw ...I stopped using it myself because sone guanos have high NPK numbers which can upset the fungi and appear as a ph lockout. It looks to me to like a classic N burn. I found a small amount of slow release fertilizer in the mix or in each container like cow and/or chicken manure works much better and it's effortless. The idea is to put what they need in the mix (or in each container) so all they need is water. Teas are good for maintaining microbial activity. You can use teas to feed your plants but giving way too much soluble N is just like giving too much synth nutes. Let the soil do all the work. The plants know what to do.
Ph is actually important in organics and growing in general but runoff will tell you nothing useful. I would just water your plants as normal and use a decent quality soil probe to check ph if they do not recover in s few weeks. Look to the freshest growth; if it still looks unhealthy then maybe it could be ph lockout.

Green420Lungs said:

Im from europe and didnt find any known organic dirt so i had to go with some normal/standart dirt i found here that i mixed with organic compost and 40% perlite.. i think i can still give all the beneficial stuff through compost teas... Am i wrong here?

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No you can but it is much easier to amend the soil and just water the plants. Teas help bump up microbial activity but flooding the mix with soluble high NPK values is the same as giving too much 2 part nutrients. Putting dry nutrients in the mix before there are plants in it ensures a slow release; plants absorb what they need as it is broken down by microbes. Like I said the plants know what to do; nutrients or nutrient teas are just like force feeding them.

Richard Drysift said:

Learn about organic soil. Don't try to sustain these plants on tea alone; teas are not really supposed to be used in lieu of the nutrients that should be in the soil. Your mix will get better after you amend and recycle it a few times. You may consider adding an organic cal-mag as soluble sources are kind of hard to provide when starting out with a fresh mix and RO water.
That is a fuckin lot of bat guano in a tea btw ...I stopped using it myself because sone guanos have high NPK numbers which can upset the fungi and appear as a ph lockout. It looks to me to like a classic N burn. I found a small amount of slow release fertilizer in the mix or in each container like cow and/or chicken manure works much better and it's effortless. The idea is to put what they need in the mix (or in each container) so all they need is water. Teas are good for maintaining microbial activity. You can use teas to feed your plants but giving way too much soluble N is just like giving too much synth nutes. Let the soil do all the work. The plants know what to do.
Ph is actually important in organics and growing in general but runoff will tell you nothing useful. I would just water your plants as normal and use a decent quality soil probe to check ph if they do not recover in s few weeks. Look to the freshest growth; if it still looks unhealthy then maybe it could be ph lockout.

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Well maybe if i need a good soil mixture in the first place to do an organic grow then maybe right now i should just give up organics alltogether and feed “normal” nutrients??
I still have Advanced Nutrients unopened...
i mean they are in this dirt allready and i dont have the money right now to buy all the stuff a good organic soil needs...

Green420Lungs said:

Im from europe and didnt find any known organic dirt so i had to go with some normal/standart dirt i found here that i mixed with organic compost and 40% perlite.. i think i can still give all the beneficial stuff through compost teas... Am i wrong here?

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yeah, teas will not be enough to feed plants the amount of nutrition required as they continue to get larger. you would be much better off to build your own organic amended soil (please stop calling it dirt, dirt is what you sweep off the floor ) . Though you will give them some nutrition with teas, not everything is soluble when making teas, and so they only feed so much. are you checking the ppm of the tea you make? this will let you know how much nutrient is dissolved into solution (especially when pH is not correct).

the yellowing you are seeing is nitrogen deficiency and not a burn. Too much N produces very dark leaves that curl downward. The yellowing is caused by the plant breaking down nitrogen containing components from the lower leaves and transporting those minerals to the newest growth, as N is a mobile element in the plant. so it seems the teas are not supplying enough nutrition, or you have a pH issue with your soil (but judging from the newest growth being decent looking, i'd say they are malnourished).

you do seem to have some burnt leaf tips too, which could be other deficiencies (because not all def. show the same symptoms). Leaf tip necrosis is common with potassium def.

the overall take away from this is to put slow release organic amendments in a soil mix, which are readily available at many stores or internet sources, and let the soil feed the plant and stop making teas for them. I would focus on putting together a new soil mix ASAP, let it compost for a couple weeks, and then transplant into that. Shop around and look for soil inputs (amendments) like Kelp meal, crab meal, neem meal, alfalfa meal, greensand, rock dust, oyster shell flour or dolomite lime (for calcium and liming), fishbone meal, etc. Things like this take time to break down and therefore slowly release the nutrition your plants need while they grow.

so look around and see what you can find for amendments and we can help you put together a recipe that will require WATER ONLY for the entire grow.

Green420Lungs said:

Well maybe if i need a good soil mixture in the first place to do an organic grow then maybe right now i should just give up organics alltogether and feed “normal” nutrients??
I still have Advanced Nutrients unopened...
i mean they are in this dirt allready and i dont have the money right now to buy all the stuff a good organic soil needs...

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you'd be much better off going this route for this round. you can still find your good genetics, keep cuttings and get your first crop down, and then focus on building a proper organic living soil.

ShLUbY said:

you'd be much better off going this route for this round. you can still find your good genetics, keep cuttings and get your first crop down, and then focus on building a proper organic living soil.

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I think this is the best option, im afraid to screw up my grow... Later on when i take clones ill give organics another try with some Soil done the right way

I still want to keep a log on this grow, can i keep Posting here even using Advanced Nutrients?

And what do you think about these strains? Have you tried any of these?

Thanks

Green420Lungs said:

I think this is the best option, im afraid to screw up my grow... Later on when i take clones ill give organics another try with some Soil done the right way

I still want to keep a log on this grow, can i keep Posting here even using Advanced Nutrients?

And what do you think about these strains? Have you tried any of these?

Thanks

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i have never run any of those strains, so I have no info on them for you!

as much as i hate to send you away with the bottled regiment, it is def your best option right now.

keep a grow log in the "indoor" forum as you will not be using organics However, you can definitely start a thread in organics, when you are ready, discussing your plan for a soil mix, and we will be happy to help you out and get you going on the right path.

Good luck and I hope you find some good keepers!

Green420Lungs said:

Well maybe if i need a good soil mixture in the first place to do an organic grow then maybe right now i should just give up organics alltogether and feed “normal” nutrients??
I still have Advanced Nutrients unopened...
i mean they are in this dirt allready and i dont have the money right now to buy all the stuff a good organic soil needs...

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Use nutrients to get through this grow if you need to and prepare your living mix properly for the next time. Shluby is probably right; the newer growth does look pale.
I was a hydro grower for a long time before switching to organics so I understand the change in mentality. Never used AN nutes either but I've run that delicious cotton candy before. Very sticky bud; has a sweet flavor... aptly named. The bud on mine was kind of fluffy but then again maybe I picked a bit early. Good smoke though; pm if you need help good luck & happy growing