Official Novichok Dissent Thread

londonfog said:

you sure you're not a female ??

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Are you sure you're a higher life form?

what better means for a country to use to assassinate someone than a chemical agent is doesn't posses?
of course it posses' it, if you believe russia is any more likely to give anything up than we are, you are deluded.
Putin is a medieval warlord, who would like nothing better than to be able to storm into most of Europe and take it by force.
i do not believe for one minute that he's ever voluntarily given disarmament more than lip service, and if these "inspectors" could go where they wanted with no restrictions or warning, they would find plenty of evidence of it. he does what he wants, where he wants when he wants, and who the hell is stopping him? no one that i'm aware of

DIY-HP-LED said:

Do you figure all those folks are faking it? Sounds like yer buying good old fashioned russian disinformation.

America and the world are not perfect and ya don't make it that way by spreading bullshit. Someone got yer facebook feed tagged as a sucker, hide yer profile or something. Do you think Vlad is a nice guy or something, maybe he's just getting bad press?

Someone and something poisoned a lot of people in the UK centered around a former russian spy and traitor. Use Occam's razor and select the solution the requires the fewest number of assumptions.

Do you think the mainstream media is "fake news", or that this is more russian bullshit dressed up as fact, smoke mirrors and confusion. Professional journalist are incompetent or corrupt and you and Alex Jones alone can discern the truth?

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First, I'm well aware that Putin is a thug. I'm also aware he isn't stupid, which seems to be the operating assumption here.

Third, let's apply Occam's Razor; since when is Russian involvement the simplest answer? Just because it's been crammed down your throat by all the major news outlets?

I don't have a Facebook account and I never, ever have. That company produces nothing of value and it brings out the worst in those who use it- for profit.

Mainstream media in America especially no longer bears much resemblance to the facts on the ground anywhere in the world outside of corporate public relations.

They continually lie by omission, they accept what they're told by untrustworthy sources like governments and engage in propaganda campaigns on behalf of the self interest of Corporations and state actors.

In the Age of the Internet it's actually not hard to find the truth, it's just that so few people bother.

Alex Jones is a businessman selling supplements. Nice smear attempt but you are snowed by the propaganda operation, along with so many others.

The truth does not care how many believe it.

ttystikk said:

So Russia is the only major nation that actually used the duly created organization to oversee the dismantling and destruction of its chemical weapons, yet now is accused of same by several nations that did not.

Even stranger, the full with of the propaganda machine is being brought to bear on anyone who dares question the official line, witness the heat Jeremy Corbyn took for just asking for proof of the allegations.

Classic end stage fascist disinformation campaign designed to sow division and prepare the political ground for yet more war on the soil of a hapless foreign country that had nothing to do with it.

I'm sick of endless wars in the name of 'national security' or 'humanitarian intervention'. No one is safer and there sure aren't fewer people getting killed and displaced.

It's even more amazing, nevermind disgusting that there are so many here who actually defend it. Keep feeding at the trough of blood, war pigs. You'll choke on it sooner or later.

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You don't need industrial sized quantities of chemical weapons to murder individual people, a small lab can make all you need for that purpose, then there was the stuff that was "overlooked" during destruction (you only need milliliters).

Do you figure Vlad is a pacifist?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

what better means for a country to use to assassinate someone than a chemical agent is doesn't posses?
of course it posses' it, if you believe russia is any more likely to give anything up than we are, you are deluded.
Putin is a medieval warlord, who would like nothing better than to be able to storm into most of Europe and take it by force.
i do not believe for one minute that he's ever voluntarily given disarmament more than lip service, and if these "inspectors" could go where they wanted with no restrictions or warning, they would find plenty of evidence of it. he does what he wants, where he wants when he wants, and who the hell is stopping him? no one that i'm aware of

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Again, you're buying the propaganda. Read the article.

The US, the UK, Israel and possibly others all have either made 'Novichok' style nerve agents or possess the facilities to do so. Russia is the only country that followed the international process to decommission and dismantle both.

Yet here you are, screaming 'fake news! It HAS to be Russia!' Based on what? Because the news media in America said so? Their own stories don't hold water- they're not even internally consistent.

Russia has no motive to fuck with these people, but those who want to make Russia look bad certainly do.

Contrast this with the Litvinenko affair; there, Russia had a clear motive to publicly deal with a whistle blowing journalist who was spreading very unflattering information about Putin and the Russian State. They knew that the polonium would be discovered; they were sending a message that those who would expose the Russian State would meet a grisly end.

The situation of the Skripals could not be more different; he'd done his time, the daughter wasn't a dissident at all and they were living quietly in obscurity and keeping their mouths shut. Why would Russia fuck with them, let alone so publicly?

The only answer that makes any fucking sense at all is that they wouldn't. So who would? Those with something to gain by making the Russians look bad.

All I'm asking you to do is think. Stop parroting the party line and think for yourself.

If you can make a case for why the Russians would want to kill a couple of nobodys in such a public way, I'm all ears.

so this thread is basically "it wasn't russia, it was the jews" all over again?

goddamn putin is killing it. has the far right and the far left spouting his bullshit

DIY-HP-LED said:

You don't need industrial sized quantities of chemical weapons to murder individual people, a small lab can make all you need for that purpose, then there was the stuff that was "overlooked" during destruction (you only need milliliters).

Do you figure Vlad is a pacifist?

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So you're a chemical weapons expert now?

If you think you can just snap your fingers and cook up nerve agents in a quickly knocked up facility, you're kidding yourself.

Putin has an agenda. So does the United States, as does the UK and so does Israel. So why aren't those of the latter as worthy of examination as those of Putin?

ttystikk said:

First, I'm well aware that Putin is a thug. I'm also aware he isn't a stupid this, which seems to be the operating assumption here.

Third, let's apply Occam's Razor; since when is Russian involvement the simplest answer? Just because it's been crammed down your throat by all the major news outlets?

I don't have a Facebook account and I never, ever have. That company produces nothing of value and it brings out the worst in those who use it- for profit.

Mainstream media in America especially no longer beats much resemblance to the facts on the ground anywhere in the world outside of corporate public relations.

They continually lie by omission, they accept what they're told by untrustworthy sources like governments and engage in propaganda campaigns on behalf of the self interest of Corporations and state actors.

In the Age of the Internet it's actually not hard to find the truth, it's just that so few people bother.

Alex Jones is a businessman selling supplements. Nice smear attempt but you are snowed by the propaganda operation, along with so many others.

The truth does not care how many believe it.

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The majority is not necessarily right, neither are you. Vlad wants to send a message to traitors and since he owns Trump, why not use him while he's still got him. Aren't you forgetting about that Polonium attack a few years ago in the UK, it's Vlad's MO, send an unmistakable message by exotic means. Your buying the disinformation operation designed to blunt the western response, Trump is sitting on his hands too, congressional sanctions have yet to be enacted, maybe yer going to the same websites as him!

The internet overwhelms us with truth and bullshit in equal measure, you need training and a full time job to keep track of what is what. As I suggested use snoops to verify your claims, unless you figure they've been "got to" as well.

As for Alex Jones comparisons, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

ttystikk said:

So you're a chemical weapons expert now?

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yep. i read an article on moonofalabama.org and so i am now a chemical weapons expert

UncleBuck said:

so this thread is basically "it wasn't russia, it was the jews" all over again?

goddamn putin is killing it. has the far right and the far left spouting his bullshit

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Not 'Jews', you serial conflator; the State of Israel, acting in its own self interest to affect the outcome of a war being fought literally on its own border.

America also wants an excuse to throw more at Syria because it has been so badly outmaneuvered there- by Russia.

Go back to hanging windows, you've proven yet again that you've got no head for international intrigue. You uncritically swallow as fact whatever the demonstrably untrustworthy news sources here say and utterly fail the test of thinking things through for yourself.

I'd call you a clown but @too larry was right; they're hard-working professionals, which certainly doesn't describe the likes of you.

DIY-HP-LED said:

The majority is not necessarily right, neither are you. Vlad wants to send a message to traitors and since he owns Trump, why not use him while he's still got him. Aren't you forgetting about that Polonium attack a few years ago in the UK, it's Vlad's MO, send an unmistakable message by exotic means. Your buying the disinformation operation designed to blunt the western response, Trump is sitting on his hands too, congressional sanctions have yet to be enacted, maybe yer going to the same websites as him!

The internet overwhelms us with truth and bullshit in equal measure, you need training and a full time job to keep track of what is what. As I suggested use snoops to verify your claims, unless you figure they've been "got to" as well.

As for Alex Jones comparisons, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

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I've already addressed the Litvinenko affair.

Alex Jones does not deal in facts. If you continually bring him up as a debating tactic, you apparently don't either. If you walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

ttystikk said:

So you're a chemical weapons expert now?

If you think you can just snap your fingers and cook up nerve agents in a quickly knocked up facility, you're kidding yourself.

Putin has an agenda. So does the United States, as does the UK and so does Israel. So why aren't those of the latter as worthy of examination as those of Putin?

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It's not as hard as you think if you have the resources of the state or an oligarch behind you and your producing small quantities, also there is probably some unaccounted for stuff floating around.
The russians have the means (they invented the fucking stuff), motive (he's a traitor) and it fits with Vlad's previous MO on the polonium attack. The best predictor of future performance is past behavior, that goes for Putin, as well as Trump.

UncleBuck said:

yep. i read an article on moonofalabama.org and so i am now a chemical weapons expert

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Lulz

zeddd said:

Absolutely no evidence of Israeli involvement, shameful accusation and unfounded

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says the false flag englishmen..very convenient, mate.

ttystikk said:

Is that one thumb or two?

Come on man, you used to actually think before jumping on the bandwagons of idiots.

It's almost as if you WANT to be fooled.

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The ease at which you have been duped is somewhat disconcerting but your post-Kool Aid moral superiority is really disturbing.

Unclebaldrick said:

It's official.

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you paid up, deadbeat?

schuylaar said:

you paid up, deadbeat?

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Your ass ready for another pounding, Skag?

DIY-HP-LED said:

It's not as hard as you think if you have the resources of the state or an oligarch behind you and your producing small quantities, also there is probably some unaccounted for stuff floating around.
The russians have the means (they invented the fucking stuff), motive (he's a traitor) and it fits with Vlad's previous MO on the polonium attack. The best predictor of future performance is past behavior, that goes for Putin, as well as Trump.

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Any deeper investigation of the three points you hold up as fact fail to hold water on further investigation. I've discussed all three above.

Bring something new.

Or I will; why have we not heard boo about the medical condition of either the Skripals or the British Bobby? Why was the doctor who was there immediately not affected at all? In a normal investigation all this would be closely followed, but not here. Why?

And finally, what does Russia have to gain? What do the other actors have to gain? Follow the money, follow the motives; they'll get you a lot further than just following the 'news'.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Do you figure all those folks are faking it? Sounds like yer buying good old fashioned russian disinformation.

America and the world are not perfect and ya don't make it that way by spreading bullshit. Someone got yer facebook feed tagged as a sucker, hide yer profile or something. Do you think Vlad is a nice guy or something, maybe he's just getting bad press?

Someone and something poisoned a lot of people in the UK centered around a former russian spy and traitor. Use Occam's razor and select the solution the requires the fewest number of assumptions.

Do you think the mainstream media is "fake news", or that this is more russian bullshit dressed up as fact, smoke mirrors and confusion. Professional journalist are incompetent or corrupt and you and Alex Jones alone can discern the truth?

Give yer head a shake Yoda, I feel the force of reason is weakening with in you, are you going over to the dark side? Has the orange emperor captured your soul, are you to be numbered among the weak minded who are in his thrall?

And no I ain't enforcing orthodoxy, just pleading for common sense. I haven't looked, but submit it to snoops to check the veracity, if ya feel the russians have been hard done by. After what the cocksuckers did to yer country, I wouldn't have any problem believing Vlad was behind the poisoning, just like the Polonium poisoning a few years ago, designed to send a message.

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How many is 'a lot' of poisonings?

ttystikk said:

Are you sure you're a higher life form?

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than ???
If we compared me to one who enjoys seeing females in cages. YES