Official Novichok Dissent Thread

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schuylaar

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The drowned boy was 3-year-old Aylan Kurdi, from Syria, part of a group of 23 trying to reach the Greek island of Kos. They'd set out in two boats on the 13-mile Aegean journey, but the vessels capsized.

question: so did Assad poison them before or after they got on the boat?
 
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
Not 'Jews', you serial conflator; the State of Israel, acting in its own self interest to affect the outcome of a war being fought literally on its own border.

America also wants an excuse to throw more at Syria because it has been so badly outmaneuvered there- by Russia.

Go back to hanging windows, you've proven yet again that you've got no head for international intrigue. You uncritically swallow as fact whatever the demonstrably untrustworthy news sources here say and utterly fail the test of thinking things through for yourself.

I'd call you a clown but @too larry was right; they're hard-working professionals, which certainly doesn't describe the likes of you.
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i read on moonofmssissippi.net/ru that it was totally not russia, it was the jews, so i just believe that now.

like you, windows are not hung. they are set
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
what better means for a country to use to assassinate someone than a chemical agent is doesn't posses?
of course it posses' it, if you believe russia is any more likely to give anything up than we are, you are deluded.
Putin is a medieval warlord, who would like nothing better than to be able to storm into most of Europe and take it by force.
i do not believe for one minute that he's ever voluntarily given disarmament more than lip service, and if these "inspectors" could go where they wanted with no restrictions or warning, they would find plenty of evidence of it. he does what he wants, where he wants when he wants, and who the hell is stopping him? no one that i'm aware of
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So your argument boils down to PUTIN BAD, so he's capable of anything and therefore willing.

Have you applied that thinking to the United States lately?

Assuming Russia gave a fuck about Skripal- a stretch, because unlike Litvinenko he represented no threat whatsoever- why would they whack him using weapons they went to great expense to give up- or according to your theory, went to great expense to appear to give up? Believe me when I tell you there's a thousand ways to kill that leave far less trace.

Nothing about the official story makes sense and the fact that you're grasping at straws should tell you something.

I'm still waiting for a solid explanation that fits the facts better than this assessment.

Why is it so hard for people to think that Israel is incapable or unwilling to do such things? They have a 70 year long history of doing exactly this kind of shit. They have committed false flag attacks against the United States, FFS!
 
Unclebaldrick

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ttystikk said:
So your argument boils down to PUTIN BAD, so he's capable of anything and therefore willing.

Have you applied that thinking to the United States lately?

Assuming Russia gave a fuck about Skripal- a stretch, because unlike Litvinenko he represented no threat whatsoever- why would they whack him using weapons they went to great expense to give up- or according to your theory, went to great expense to appear to give up? Believe me when I tell you there's a thousand ways to kill that leave far less trace.

Nothing about the official story makes sense and the fact that you're grasping at straws should tell you something.

I'm still waiting for a solid explanation that fits the facts better than this assessment.

Why is it so hard for people to think that Israel is incapable or unwilling to do such things? They have a 70 year long history of doing exactly this kind of shit. They have committed false flag attacks against the United States, FFS!
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I heard it was Sweden. Putin said so. Why would he lie?

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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schuylaar said:
How many is 'a lot' of poisonings?
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Two russians and a policeman were severely injured and 21 others were reported poisoned, though I've seen as many as 40 people might have been affected to varying degrees. I don't think the assassination attempt went as planned, collateral damage is always bad for PR when using weapons of mass destruction as tools of assassination.

You clean up after such an incident by planting bullshit stories to sow confusion and have dupes carry your water in the west on social media. It's an old fashioned method called disinformation and the russians are past masters of the "art", the internet brings it close to home.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
So your argument boils down to PUTIN BAD, so he's capable of anything and therefore willing.

Have you applied that thinking to the United States lately?

Assuming Russia gave a fuck about Skripal- a stretch, because unlike Litvinenko he represented no threat whatsoever- why would they whack him using weapons they went to great expense to give up- or according to your theory, went to great expense to appear to give up? Believe me when I tell you there's a thousand ways to kill that leave far less trace.

Nothing about the official story makes sense and the fact that you're grasping at straws should tell you something.

I'm still waiting for a solid explanation that fits the facts better than this assessment.

Why is it so hard for people to think that Israel is incapable or unwilling to do such things? They have a 70 year long history of doing exactly this kind of shit. They have committed false flag attacks against the United States, FFS!
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"it wasn't russia it was the jews"
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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schuylaar said:

The drowned boy was 3-year-old Aylan Kurdi, from Syria, part of a group of 23 trying to reach the Greek island of Kos. They'd set out in two boats on the 13-mile Aegean journey, but the vessels capsized.

question: so did Assad poison them before or after they got on the boat?
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That picture is so sad. So many people make so much money from the suffering of the Syrian people, yet there's no money to spend on aid for those displaced. Despicable.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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ttystikk said:
Again, you're buying the propaganda. Read the article.

The US, the UK, Israel and possibly others all have either made 'Novichok' style nerve agents or possess the facilities to do so. Russia is the only country that followed the international process to decommission and dismantle both.

Yet here you are, screaming 'fake news! It HAS to be Russia!' Based on what? Because the news media in America said so? Their own stories don't hold water- they're not even internally consistent.

Russia has no motive to fuck with these people, but those who want to make Russia look bad certainly do.

Contrast this with the Litvinenko affair; there, Russia had a clear motive to publicly deal with a whistle blowing journalist who was spreading very unflattering information about Putin and the Russian State. They knew that the polonium would be discovered; they were sending a message that those who would expose the Russian State would meet a grisly end.

The situation of the Skripals could not be more different; he'd done his time, the daughter wasn't a dissident at all and they were living quietly in obscurity and keeping their mouths shut. Why would Russia fuck with them, let alone so publicly?

The only answer that makes any fucking sense at all is that they wouldn't. So who would? Those with something to gain by making the Russians look bad.

All I'm asking you to do is think. Stop parroting the party line and think for yourself.

If you can make a case for why the Russians would want to kill a couple of nobodys in such a public way, I'm all ears.
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i'm not buying any propaganda, because i'm just barely aware of the circumstances, i haven't read article one. this has been my opinion of putin for a long time, based on his actions since he took over. hes been a ruthless enemy of the rest of europe, hes been manipulating people since the day he took power, he's greedy and he has the power to satisfy that greed....wait and see
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Unclebaldrick said:
The ease at which you have been duped is somewhat disconcerting but your post-Kool Aid moral superiority is really disturbing.
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Who's been duped?

I've been right about the Syrian chemical weapons false flag attacks, you'll notice I didn't question the story of Litvinenko's poisoning (because the narrative fit the facts) and this smacks of the same kinds of machinations as those other false flags.

I notice there's a bunch of people here attacking me. I notice none of you are using logical arguments or presenting coherent arguments. I notice that instead of any analysis of my suggestions, it's just the same antagonistic drivel.

When I was a child, I used to long for when I'd be an adult, dealing with logical and thoughtful people in intellectual discourse.

I'm soooooo disappointed.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'm not buying any propaganda, because i'm just barely aware of the circumstances, i haven't read article one. this has been my opinion of putin for a long time, based on his actions since he took over. hes been a ruthless enemy of the rest of europe, hes been manipulating people since the day he took power, he's greedy and he has the power to satisfy that greed....wait and see
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Putin is certainly up to plenty, which is not in question. I'm just not buying the notion that he's behind the poisoning of the Skripals.

We will definitely see, sooner or later.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
than ???
If we compared me to one who enjoys seeing females in cages. YES
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Clearly you have a reading comprehension problem; I ran the club, the kennel thing was not my kink. But since you're so interested, you should hook up with Buck and go check it out.
 
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