Good lights....wow

This is just an observation. I joined a facebook group and they started praising the viparspar 300 600 whatever it was. I said geeze you would be so much happier with a 315 CMH or 200 watt to 400 watt vero (2vl to 4VL) from timber.

They said I was nuts. The cost is so much and these work.

So I dumped the facebook site and have realized you can not fix stupid.

Yes you can grow with it but you can not crush 1 gram a watt or better with it. That is only in the quantum/cob/CMH area of stuff. I mean 400 watts or under in a tent.

600 watts of timber would kill anything I have had thus far and i have done pretty good with a 315 CMH and 2VL and a mars for some blurple addition at flower (sold that mars so now its just good lights forever).

gwheels said:

So I dumped the facebook site and have realized you can not fix stupid.

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You said it all right there. imo only people quoting how good blurple lights are, are either selling them, or belong to the group you mentioned above

Not true. Upscale led with color specific diodes, ir and uv now available can also crush hps. For twice to 3x the money unfortunately. But the tech will advance and trickle down. And today’s boards and cobs will be rendered old tech soon enough.

The universities are not bothering testing cobs or full spectrum diode lamps for horticultural use. They are figuring out color specifics tailored to each specific crop.

Once the medical crop lamp build recipe gets discovered and available out there. The game will change again.

Arguing a specific lamp or any tool is the best is silly. Many variables involved and constant tech evolving.

Any lamp purchased today will be obsolete in a few years. Or less.

But it’s ok. I’m still out yielding most Grows I see with an old air cooled hps. And the quality is top notch. As good or better than the cmh tests we did.

All of there tools work fine. The grower, environment and genetics are much more important than the light bulb.

No one mentions his as it would not help sell new lamps. But plants transfer photosynthesis to the highest intensity available light wave. So if there is a red spike in the spectrum like a cmh still has. The plant is mostly using the red spike.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Not true. Upscale led with color specific diodes, ir and uv now available can also crush hps. For twice to 3x the money unfortunately. But the tech will advance and trickle down. And today’s boards and cobs will be rendered old tech soon enough.

The universities are not bothering testing cobs or full spectrum diode lamps for horticultural use. They are figuring out color specifics tailored to each specific crop.

Once the medical crop lamp build recipe gets discovered and available out there. The game will change again.

Arguing a specific lamp or any tool is the best is silly. Many variables involved and constant tech evolving.

Any lamp purchased today will be obsolete in a few years. Or less.

But it’s ok. I’m still out yielding most Grows I see with an old air cooled hps. And the quality is top notch. As good or better than the cmh tests we did.

All of there tools work fine. The grower, environment and genetics are much more important than the light bulb.

No one mentions his as it would not help sell new lamps. But plants transfer photosynthesis to the highest intensity available light wave. So if there is a red spike in the spectrum like a cmh still has. The plant is mostly using the red spike.

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I would also just add that there are growers pulling 1g/w even with hps lamps.
Just wish some would not get so worked up promoting / defending semiconductors that they are Blinded of what each tech is capable of.....
Hps ain't going nowhere bro's and for those that just want hassle free flower production at a reasonable cost it is still where it's at

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I would also just add that there are growers pulling 1g/w even with hps lamps.
Just wish some would not get so worked up promoting / defending semiconductors that they are Blinded of what each tech is capable of.....
Hps ain't going nowhere bro's and for those that just want hassle free flower production at a reasonable cost it is still where it's at

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I can get more than 1gpw from my single ended Hortilux 600’s.

But light bulbs will be phased out in time just like vaacuum tubes.

Obviously led is the future.

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I can get more than 1gpw from my single ended Hortilux 600’s.

But light bulbs will be phased out in time just like vaacuum tubes.

Obviously led is the future.

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I'm not willing to bet the farm on that quite yet. At least till someone shows me an LED Solar Simulator that is efficient and affordable

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I'm not willing to bet the farm on that quite yet. At least till someone shows me an LED Solar Simulator that is efficient and affordable

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Well I did bring something up from another industry in another led thread I thought of.

Guitar players like tube amps. They did not take to modeling amps like the industry expected.

So there are a couple companies still making specific music amplifier vaacuum tubes today to keep the tube amps going.

This could happen with hid light bulbs.

But they will be more than twice as expensive as they are today perhaps.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Well I did bring something up from another industry in another led thread I thought of.

Guitar players like tube amps. They did not take to modeling amps like the industry expected.

So there are a couple companies still making specific music amplifier vaacuum tubes today to keep the tube amps going.

This could happen with hid light bulbs.

But they will be more than twice as expensive as they are today perhaps.

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Come on bro, you don't like the non-tube sizzling bacon fizz distortion?

But you are correct above - the most "efficient" led is going to come from blending specific wavelengths rather than a phosphor conversion.
I am doing lot's of soldering and experimentation behind the scenes myself

OneHitDone said:

Come on bro, you don't like the non-tube sizzling bacon fizz distortion?

But you are correct above - the most "efficient" led is going to come from blending specific wavelengths rather than a phosphor conversion.
I am doing lot's of soldering and experimentation behind the scenes myself

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Lol at the bacon sizzle distortion. But modeling amps sound great now. You hear them all the time in recorded music. They just feel like crap and remove the interface between the magnetic pickups and the speaker magnet.

Can you tell I am a single coil pickup guy?

For lights i would say there are many that work well. Some are better for the smaller scale grower than others. But viparspar may be good for vegging but they are not very good for flowering unless you use a lot of wattage. That kind of defeats the purpose of being efficient.

HPS is the cheapest and they produce great quality bud. With the air cooled hoods you can push the heat right out of the tent easily.

How many people on this forum have a Mars or Viparspar that is now a door stopper? I would guess a lot.

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For lights i would say there are many that work well. Some are better for the smaller scale grower than others. But viparspar may be good for vegging but they are not very good for flowering unless you use a lot of wattage. That kind of defeats the purpose of being efficient.

HPS is the cheapest and they produce great quality bud. With the air cooled hoods you can push the heat right out of the tent easily.

How many people on this forum have a Mars or Viparspar that is now a door stopper? I would guess a lot.

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I have 3 - lol (can't complain, used them for veg for 3-4+ years) have kept the cases/sinks in case I want to retrofit them with strips or COBs later. But right now they're very effective door stops