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At 10 or 11 your no longer a child but move into preadolescence.

Thats like telling an oenophile that all wines are the same.

I think its proof enough that we don't know. Sooo, there goes modern religion right out the window, right? Because, If we know we don't know, then how can we claim to know (religion)?

So what your saying is that the best an all powerful all knowing creator can do is convince some of us that he is real. And because he only convinced some, others have different opinons? Blame it on free will I guess, I'm sure you will. Although I've never understood how god can make us, know...

Were you a child when this happened? Because I thought we were talking about children?

Oh right model for humanity huh? Luke 12:51 King James Version (KJV) 51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be...

And I gave you a perfectly good response and I thought you understood it because you even liked my comment. I guess it went over your head. "Well thats because your little brother had enough experience of his own to know the difference. How can someone have experience with something they can't...

Thats the point you "educate your son with sortz of things". Doesn't he take what you are telling him to be true as truth? (simple example you tell him the color blue is the color blue and he just accepts that as true). Did you teach him about santa or the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy?

Damn I'm so slow....

Well see heres were your logic has failed you because at this present time abortion is legal and this thread would stand as a debate between that and the idea of it being 'wrong'. So your saying we cannot debate until we set a standard for what is right and what is wrong but how can you set a...

Neither does he... Or maybe he just has a way with words. Either way Im convinced.

that makes no sense...

So I take it you feel abortion is murder right? Why? Isn't a fetus dependent on the mother for life? Therefore, it does not have a life of its own, correct?

Sure okay... But my agrument remains. The mother is more attached to her child then anyone while she is carring. Why wouldn't she want a funeral? Maybe because its not fully a child yet. Maybe its more part of her body then it is an individual.

I agree with this. Even if abortion was made illegal it would still happen. Why put young girls at risk (back alley abortions) because you don't like the idea of what there doing?

Uh well because we were just talking about the Bible and what it means to its followers. When I said we had to assume that this particular religion was correct even if there was a god, I meant any religion that bases its faith on the Bible (because thats what we were talking about, get it?)

You act like nothing comes out....

No don't worry about it the Bible defines all that too. And this is all just assuming that not only is god real but this particular religion is real and that we even have souls at all. Of course theres no real actual proof of any of this because that would just be too easy :wink:

Well this is what your saying....'if my wife was pregnant then my son is alive'. I say "Why do the majority of women that have miscarriages refuse to have a funeral considering by your definition that baby is already alive?"

The "First" death then, is the physical death that each person dies on this earth - a physical, but TEMPORARY death from which everyone will be resurrected. Those who are righteous will be resurrected to everlasting life and those who are wicked will be resurrected for the judgment and the...