1st Grow - Hubbabubbasmelloscope in DWC & Water Farm

cjsbabygirl313

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Ok guys ... i just changed the res four days ago ... change it AGAIN? @Budley Doright - I’m using the +life, not the hydrogaurd ... but yeah, I think its probably time to bring the ph back down again ... oh, and not sure how to get more air out since my exhaust fan is at its highest setting
 
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Homie Da Clown

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Ok guys ... i just changed the res four days ago ... change it AGAIN? @Budley Doright - I’m using the +life, not the hydrogaurd ... but yeah, I think its probably time to bring the ph back down again ... oh, and not sure how to get more air out since my exhaust fan is at its highest setting
What change did you make to 1 with water level?
Whay ever you do dont let none these ninjas talk you into changing number 2 at all...
 

cjsbabygirl313

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What change did you make to 1 with water level?
Whay ever you do dont let none these ninjas talk you into changing number 2 at all...
Lol - #2 is running good so I’ll just adjust the ph and let it rise like I’ve been doing (how often do I bring the ppm back up?

As for the water level in #1, when I realized it was too high (Friday) I brought it down to just the very bottom of the net pot when I did the full res change. Yesterday when I added water to it I only added enough to bring it back to the very bottom of the net pot (a total of about 3 cups of distilled water).
 

Homie Da Clown

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Lol - #2 is running good so I’ll just adjust the ph and let it rise like I’ve been doing (how often do I bring the ppm back up?

As for the water level in #1, when I realized it was too high (Friday) I brought it down to just the very bottom of the net pot when I didnthe full res change. Yesterday when I added water to it I only added enough to bring it back to the very bottom of the net pot (a total of about 3 cups of distilled water).
Well we are gonna watch the leaf tips and look for leaf curl... What we want is the ppm to stay the same as the water level drops. When that happens we should be able to ph to 5.8 and leave it.
 

Homie Da Clown

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Lol - #2 is running good so I’ll just adjust the ph and let it rise like I’ve been doing (how often do I bring the ppm back up?

As for the water level in #1, when I realized it was too high (Friday) I brought it down to just the very bottom of the net pot when I did the full res change. Yesterday when I added water to it I only added enough to bring it back to the very bottom of the net pot (a total of about 3 cups of distilled water).
I think that when you dropped the water level it didnt have enough roots in the water to handle keepiing it hydrated... That is why I said top feed thry hydroton every day...
 

Budley Doright

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I know your using life, I’m saying I would use both as it can’t hurt. Your ph is now going all fucky due to rot and yes it is rot, brown roots = rot. You need to fix that or it’s gonna die a slow painful death. I’m not trying to be a dick but nothing that’s been suggested is working to fix it other than you were watering to much, my very first suggestion, everything else has just been to change up what you had which may help but 1000’s of people have successfully grown plants using what you had. I would drop the water below the pot and continue to hand water lightly, once or twice a day until roots return. I would pour the beanies directly on the hydrotom from the top to colonize the media and use the recommended dose or a bit more until they beat back the bad stuff. Now that’s what I would do lol.
 

Budley Doright

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I think that when you dropped the water level it didnt have enough roots in the water to handle keepiing it hydrated... That is why I said top feed thry hydroton every day...
The bubbles will keep the hydroton wet and the water level was still touching the pot I believe. I actually am out and will keep watching from a far lol. I’m probably just adding to the confusion now :(.
 

cjsbabygirl313

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So in the morning I will be bringing the ph back down in both the DWC and WF to about 5.8 or there-abouts. Should I add a bit more +life to the WF since those roots are showing a bit of brown? And maybe pour some of the res water through that hydroton too?
 

Homie Da Clown

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So in the morning I will be bringing the ph back down in both the DWC and WF to about 5.8 or there-abouts. Should I add a bit more +life to the WF since those roots are showing a bit of brown? And maybe pour some of the res water through that hydroton too?
you could...... that is fine
 

cjsbabygirl313

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Ok guys, so I’ve been doing a bit more digging and I know you say the problem with #1 isnt a calcium deficiency, but I’m convinced it is. I’ve found the following articles about it along with pics and descriptions of problems.

In this article (http://www.growweedeasy.com/calcium-deficiency-cannabis), pic #2 looks exactly what my leaves look like. In addition, the list of symptoms that matched my symptoms invludes:
  • Dead spots
  • Spotting / Mottling
  • Stunted growth
  • Small or distorted new leaves
  • Leaf die-off
  • Affected leaves may appear dark green besides the spots
  • Roots appear weak or under-developed
In this article (https://www.sensigarden.com/calcium-deficiency-marijuana/), the pic also looks exactly like what I’m dealing with and has this list of symptoms that match mine:
  • Lower leaves curl and twist
  • Yellow, brown spots appear on leaf and tips
  • Stunted growth
  • Brown or dark spots on leaves
  • Random pattern of spots
  • Roots have little development
Understand that its not that I don’t trust you guys (you saved #2 !!! ), but this problem just is persisting, I know how to research, I am seeing the exact same pictures and symptoms on multplie articles (not just the two listed above), and I’ve talked with a few others who have grown this particular strain and said that they also had calcium deficiency issues. Granted, #2 is fine - but these plants (for being the same strain) have exhibited extremely different characteristics from the start.

My opinion is that #1 needs more calcium and from what I’ve read you really can’t overdo it on the calcium as long as you dose it within reason (i.e. 1-2 tsp/gal). Besides, at this point there isn’t much to lose by trying it - not like its the first plant anyone will have lost. And if I’m right, then it means I’m learning to read my plants correctly - no?
 
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Budley Doright

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Ok guys, so I’ve been doing a bit more digging and I know you say the problem with #1 isnt a calcium deficiency, but I’m convinced it is. I’ve found the following articles about it along with pics and descriptions of problems.

In this article (http://www.growweedeasy.com/calcium-deficiency-cannabis), pic #2 looks exactly what my leaves look like. In addition, the list of symptoms that matched my symptoms invludes:
  • Dead spots
  • Spotting / Mottling
  • Stunted growth
  • Small or distorted new leaves
  • Leaf die-off
  • Affected leaves may appear dark green besides the spots
  • Roots appear weak or under-developed
In this article (https://www.sensigarden.com/calcium-deficiency-marijuana/), the pic also looks exactly like what I’m dealing with and has this list of symptoms that match mine:
  • Lower leaves curl and twist
  • Yellow, brown spots appear on leaf and tips
  • Stunted growth
  • Brown or dark spots on leaves
  • Random pattern of spots
  • Roots have little development
Understand that its not that I don’t trust you guys (you saved #2 !!! ), but this problem just is persisting, I know how to research, I am seeing the exact same pictures and symptoms on multplie articles (not just the two listed above), and I’ve talked with a few others who have grown this particular strain and said that they also had calcium deficiency issues. Granted, #2 is fine - but these plants (for being the same strain) have exhibited extremely different characteristics from the start.

My opinion is that #1 needs more calcium and from what I’ve read you really can’t overdo it on the calcium as long as you dose it within reason (i.e. 1-2 tsp/gal). Besides, at this point there isn’t much to lose by trying it - not like its the first plant anyone will have lost. And if I’m right, then it means I’m learning to read my plants correctly - no?
Yes add it
 

Homie Da Clown

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Ok guys, so I’ve been doing a bit more digging and I know you say the problem with #1 isnt a calcium deficiency, but I’m convinced it is. I’ve found the following articles about it along with pics and descriptions of problems.

In this article (http://www.growweedeasy.com/calcium-deficiency-cannabis), pic #2 looks exactly what my leaves look like. In addition, the list of symptoms that matched my symptoms invludes:
  • Dead spots
  • Spotting / Mottling
  • Stunted growth
  • Small or distorted new leaves
  • Leaf die-off
  • Affected leaves may appear dark green besides the spots
  • Roots appear weak or under-developed
In this article (https://www.sensigarden.com/calcium-deficiency-marijuana/), the pic also looks exactly like what I’m dealing with and has this list of symptoms that match mine:
  • Lower leaves curl and twist
  • Yellow, brown spots appear on leaf and tips
  • Stunted growth
  • Brown or dark spots on leaves
  • Random pattern of spots
  • Roots have little development
Understand that its not that I don’t trust you guys (you saved #2 !!! ), but this problem just is persisting, I know how to research, I am seeing the exact same pictures and symptoms on multplie articles (not just the two listed above), and I’ve talked with a few others who have grown this particular strain and said that they also had calcium deficiency issues. Granted, #2 is fine - but these plants (for being the same strain) have exhibited extremely different characteristics from the start.

My opinion is that #1 needs more calcium and from what I’ve read you really can’t overdo it on the calcium as long as you dose it within reason (i.e. 1-2 tsp/gal). Besides, at this point there isn’t much to lose by trying it - not like its the first plant anyone will have lost. And if I’m right, then it means I’m learning to read my plants correctly - no?
You got to have roots in the water before u call it a diff.. What you have is lockout..
Adding ca wont hurt nothing.. So add it if you want.
 

Homie Da Clown

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The roots are in the water - there just aren’t a lot of roots. The roots are about 6” long
And that is not enough to support that much foliage at 80+ temps... That is a lot more to this than ca difficincy.
Do you know that your base has plents of Ca in it.
Do you also know that ca is the most over used un needed Bottled nutrient..
There are jokes after jokes of older growers laughing at younger growers
SAYING ADD MORE CALIMAG....

Wisher........
Care to elaborate on base and calmag ifbyou get a chance.. We got fed inspectors here today and im gonna be tied up all day....
 

cjsbabygirl313

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And that is not enough to support that much foliage at 80+ temps... That is a lot more to this than ca difficincy.
Do you know that your base has plents of Ca in it.
Do you also know that ca is the most over used un needed Bottled nutrient..
There are jokes after jokes of older growers laughing at younger growers
SAYING ADD MORE CALIMAG....

Wisher........
Care to elaborate on base and calmag ifbyou get a chance.. We got fed inspectors here today and im gonna be tied up all day....
My temps typically aren’t above 80 - only once in a while and typically not for sustained periods of time.

And yes the base should have plenty of ca - but isn't that provided that the water you start with is TAP water which has some nutrients naturally) and not distilled water (which has none because they’ve been removed)? Everything I’ve read says that if you start with distilled water the first thing to add is the calmag to put back what should normally be in there and THEN add standard nute mix.

If it’s lockout, what are the possible causes and fixes?

Please know that I’m only asking questions so that I can understand the why’s and where-for-to’s - not just follow directions because that doesnt hep me learn what to look out for when I don’t have you guys heping me :-). My science teachers - even in college - used to go nuts because I always asked questions instead of just spitting back what was in the book.

Ewww - inspectors! I dont envy you today! We’re shut down cuz of the snow today so I am a happy camper!
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