3 Compassion Clubs RAIDED!!

Serapis

Well-Known Member
go play around in the florida threads for a while.
As soon as you get the right to be my Daddy, please let me know. Until then, mind your own business while I enjoy these PUBLI FORUMs...

Are you into suppressing the rights of others in here? I didn't see a title that said MI residents only...

and you still failed to answer valid questions... Your interpretation of the MI MMJ laws is quite flawed. Some one asks you to explain your flawed reasoning and your response is go play elsewhere? Sounds like you have nothing intelligent to say....
 

marijuana.john.doe

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(g) A person shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for providing a registered qualifying patient or a registered primary caregiver with marihuana paraphernalia for purposes of a qualifying patient's medical use of marihuana.
neither does that^^^
this also says its ok.
Hey rzza i hate to be the the bearer of bad news and trust me it sucks because i have been seriously thinking about opening a dispensary. I just went to the michigan government website and read a portion of the law about what is stated above... this is a copy and paste of what it says exactly... (b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed... yeah this sucks but hey its right there. trust me i'm not happy about it either.
 

rzza

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As soon as you get the right to be my Daddy, please let me know. Until then, mind your own business while I enjoy these PUBLI FORUMs...

Are you into suppressing the rights of others in here? I didn't see a title that said MI residents only...

and you still failed to answer valid questions... Your interpretation of the MI MMJ laws is quite flawed. Some one asks you to explain your flawed reasoning and your response is go play elsewhere? Sounds like you have nothing intelligent to say....
refer to my post from yesterday. i gave references. wheres yours?
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
Hey rzza i hate to be the the bearer of bad news and trust me it sucks because i have been seriously thinking about opening a dispensary. I just went to the michigan government website and read a portion of the law about what is stated above... this is a copy and paste of what it says exactly... (b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed... yeah this sucks but hey its right there. trust me i'm not happy about it either.
i cant argue that the above excerpt is in our law. but so is the one i posted and they say conflicting things.
 

cflpower

Active Member
The thing that kills me is that we can do this ourselves. We do not need dispensaries. I've been growing 12 plants since Dec. 08 when the law passed. I'm on my 6th legal crop now. If every legal patient would just grow 12 plants we would be neck deep in dank buds. Then there wouldn't be anyone charging $700 an ounce like a slimeball would. Free the weed from the money changers. Grow trees! Let your extra go for a nice low price to your patient friends and these parasites will go away. It's all there for us to have if we grab the bull by the horns and be empowered patients. Take it to heart, keep it private, keep it real. Then we are 10 foot tall and bulletproof! Dispensaries make us weak and poor.
 

deprave

New Member
And why do you believe the media would do that? Since when does the media turn the other cheek when they have a chance to bust corruption. You are either paranoid or a conspiracy theorist.

You are also misinterpreting the laws. A qualifying eligible patient is one that has a card and has identified a caregiver. They can't get their meds anywhere else according to the law I'm reading. How are you able to interpret that differently?

i'm not on the cops side, but I'm on the side that fights corruption of these laws and weeds out dispensaries that make huge profits and undermine the law. Their actions will ruin it for everyone. In fact, here in Florida, our drug czar is already pointing to these busts as proof the MMJ laws won't work in Florida. To all the fucked up drug dealers posing as medical dispensaries, thanks a fucking lot....
Well first off, your not obligated to identify a caregiver, many patients do no have a caregiver, secondly your caregiver is not necessarily someone who grows weed for you it could be your wife or a hospice nurse or whatever.

As for the 'fake paperwork' - the paperwork is not necessarily fake, but i would bet it is, the cops choose their words very carefully when they stated 'sold to someone without a valid card' the media is only reporting what the cops are saying, establishments like this dispensary accept paperwork after 21 days because it is written in the law that after 21 days its valid, it takes 4 months minimum to receive an actual card - this is why the people suspect it was fake paperwork, because establishments like these are known to be very through in their review of paperwork even if its your 20th time being there....I am afraid you just dont understand it fully as an outsider here, this facillity was following the law within the letter...the oppressors just do not like the law as it is aside from an obvious hidden agenda political or personal.
 

deprave

New Member
Hey rzza i hate to be the the bearer of bad news and trust me it sucks because i have been seriously thinking about opening a dispensary. I just went to the michigan government website and read a portion of the law about what is stated above... this is a copy and paste of what it says exactly... (b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed... yeah this sucks but hey its right there. trust me i'm not happy about it either.
yes a situation were someone is a cargiver only is questionable but the vast majority have a patient card if they have a caregiver card and vice versa. Patient to Patient transfers are clearly made legal in multiple parts of the law
 

Serapis

Well-Known Member
So the media isn't able to question the owners and employees of the dispensaries? I don't trust cops. I'm sure they forged paperwork or used legitimate cards that did not belong to them. I would hope anyone is a dispensary would know better than to sell to a cardless customer without paperwork.

It sounds like the DA and the Sheriff or head cop don't like the MMJ laws. He even referred to what was going on as a cheech and chong movie. That's sad. Maybe it'll take a serious disease or cancer in their families to change their hearts.

My biggest fear is, and I love to smoke dope myself, that people will take advantage and try to get "legal" by using this compassion law for upset stomachs, stubbed toes, etc. I suffer from acute anxiety and live in a state that is pointing fingers at abuses in other states as to why we'll never have compassion laws here. So when I read here from someone who obviously has no medical problems, yet they got a card, it pisses me off. When I first read this story, I was glad, believing the police version of events, as catching criminal dispensaries. Apparently, that's not the case.

I wonder how many plants were returned undamaged? I know the law states the police are not responsible for caring for confiscated plants, yet when it's criminal, they give them a street value. When it's medical, they treat them like they are worthless plants.
 

deprave

New Member
The media has questioned the owners and patients of the dispensaries...

To address your fear: You suffer from anxiety so guess what, you would be one of those abusers here because anxiety is not a qualifying condition here, I too use marijuana for anxiety(and also insomnia), but I also have back pain however it is not severe, I was open and honest about this with my doctor and he agreed I was a responsible adult who could use marijuana in the privacy of my own home so he wrote "severe and chronic pain" ....Who are you to decide who is an 'abuser' and who is not, who are you to decide what someone else puts in their bodys, that is the doctors job if anything, and even in the case that the doctor makes a wrong judgment and gives medical marijuana to an 'abuser'.....Who cares? New flash: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NON-MEDICINAL USE OF MARIJUANA - Recreational Marijuana is something that only exist in college and high schools when people are experimenting or doing it just to be 'cool' or to fit in. I know that just hits someone who has been influenced by the prohibitionist like a ton of bricks in some cases but its the reality of the situation here, Medical Marijuana is Marijuana Legalization.


Freedom. Its here, its queer, GET USED TO IT! :D
 

Bag Lady

Member
I'm with you on that. My husband was pistol whipped at his business and lost hearing in one ear and now has headaches. He suffers from arthritis in his hips and back. He has never smoked or consumed MJ, but I always have. It has gotten to the point that he is willing to try anything. The pills they gave him make him unable to function or drive. So, we went to our regular doctor for a prescription for MJ and was told that he was afraid of being put on a list!

We went to Dr. Graves that I saw you had suggested some time ago. No problem. We are each others caregivers now. Thank you for that post. I will admit that there were people there that were obviously there just to be able to smoke legally, but were not ill. But to those ends, I think that MJ should be decriminalized and anyone whom wants to consume should have that right.

Wasn't weed legal in Michigan until sometime in the 1930's?

The best to you, Deprave. BL


The media has questioned the owners and patients of the dispensaries...

To adress your fear: You suffer from anxiety so guees what, you would be one of those abusers here because anxiety is not a qualifying condition here, I too use marijuana for anxiety(and also insomnia), but I also have back pain however it is not severe, I was open and honest about this with my doctor and he agreed I was a responsible adult who could use marijuana in the privacy of his own home so he wrote "severe and chronic pain" ....Who are you to decide who is an 'abuser' and who is not, who are you to decide what someone else puts in their bodys, that is the doctors job if anything, and even in the case that the doctor makes a wrong judgment and gives medical marijuana to an 'abuser'.....Who cares? New flash: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NON-MEDICINAL USE OF MARIJUANA - Recreational Marijuana is something that only exist in college and high schools.
 

cflpower

Active Member
For the people reading this from other states... We are all not idiots here buying our cannabis at stores. LOL Some of us are enjoying the hell out of our new law growing our 12 plants and keeping our peeps loaded with cheap dank buds. It can be all good with a little work and some help from your friends. Sorry for the greed heads messing things up. That is just what they do..... The hard workers that are not cashing in do not make the news and we are extremely happy with the law and would like to see the greed heads gone but we will let karma do it for us. I hate to see anyone go to prison because of cannabis but karma has a strong arm sometimes.
 
rzza, do you know how they define what 12 plants are? For example, does anyone know if you can have a few clones plus 12 plants in veg/flower and still be legal if your a caregiver for only yourself? I would love to take a couple of clones off of a Blueberry Kush that has chandeliered on the bottom and keep it going(if its a female). I have done everything by the books so far and want to stay on the right side of the law. Thanks!
 

Bag Lady

Member
From what I can tell and from what I have read, it appears that clones will be counted as a 'plants'. Some people say plants have to have roots to be a plant, I'm sure that rzza will know much more and in great detail.

rzza, do you know how they define what 12 plants are? For example, does anyone know if you can have a few clones plus 12 plants in veg/flower and still be legal if your a caregiver for only yourself? I would love to take a couple of clones off of a Blueberry Kush that has chandeliered on the bottom and keep it going(if its a female). I have done everything by the books so far and want to stay on the right side of the law. Thanks!
 

cflpower

Active Member
They are looking for a test case for this. Growers would like to say that the cuttings would have to have roots to be a plant. Law enforcement would say it's a plant when you put it on the cloner or in soil/medium regardless of a root system. Personally, it's not a big issue for me because I'm just not the type to let my grow hang on whether a cutting popped some roots while I wasn't looking.
 

ganja girl

New Member
Here is a list of sponsors and those up of reelection need to be remembered in Nov. I found a listing of House Republicans and I filled them in. I am looking for a listing of the house Dem's will fill them in later today.

From the Oakland Press (put in the sponsors)

The State Legislature lists six bills that would make changes to laws regarding medical marijuana (which the state spells “marihuana”).

In 2010:

— House Bill 6299 discusses the eligibility to be a primary caregiver for patients’ medical use of marijuana and prohibits individuals who have been convicted of any felony. The last action was June 30.

Sponsors Marty Knollenberg - (primary) District 41, Troy
John Walsh-District 19, Livonia, Sharon Tyler-District 78, Niles, Gail Haines-District 43-Waterford, Eileen Kowall-District 44, White Lake, Bill Rogers-District 66-Brighton, Kevin Green-District 77, Wyoming, Arlan Meekhof-District 89, West Olive, Chuck Moss-District 44, Birmingham, Rick Jones-District 71, Grand Ledge, Bob Genetski-District 88, Saugatuck, Douglas Geiss-, Timothy Bledsoe-, Bill Caul-District 99, Mt. Pleasant, John Espinoza-, Hugh Crawford-District 38, Novi, Tory Rocca-District 30, Sterling Hgts, John Proos-District 79, St. Joseph, Kevin Daley-District 82, Lum, Kenneth Kurtz-District 58, Coldwater, Larry DeShazor-District 61, Portage, David Agema-District 74, Grandville, Pete Lund-District 36, Shelby, James Bolger-District 63, Marshall, Mark Meadows-, Jim Stamas-District 98, Midland, Paul Opsommer-District 93, Dewitt, Matt Lori-District 59, Constantine, Harold Haugh-, James Marleau-District 46, Serving North Oakland County, Tonya Schuitmaker-District 80, Lawton

— House Bill 6394 involves the prohibition and formation of medicinal marijuana clubs or operation of medical marijuana bars. The last action was Aug. 25.

Sponsors Rick Jones-District 71, Grand Ledge - (primary)
David Agema-District 74, Grandville, Marty Knollenberg-District 41, Troy, Eileen Kowall-District 44, White Lake

In 2009:

— Senate Bill 0616, involves amending existing law to include dispensing of medical marijuana by a licensed pharmacist. The last action was June 3, 2009, when it was referred to committee on Judiciary.

Sponsors Gerald Van Woerkom - (primary)
Valde Garcia, Ron Jelinek, Alan Cropsey, Wayne Kuipers, Mark Jansen

— Senate Bill 0618 would regulate medical marijuana as a Schedule 2 controlled substance and require the dispensing by a pharmacist and require the Health Department to license medical marijuana growing facilities. The last action was June 3, 2009, when it was referred to committee on Judiciary.

Sponsors Wayne Kuipers - (primary)
Gerald Van Woerkom, Valde Garcia, Ron Jelinek, Alan Cropsey, Mark Jansen

— House Bills 5288 and 5289 would require the dispensing of medical marijuana by a licensed pharmacist and would clarify marijuana as a Schedule 2 controlled substance. The bill would amend law to conform with public health code.

5288-Sponsors David Agema - (primary)
Bob Genetski, Rick Jones, John Walsh, Kenneth Kurtz, Tom McMillin, Matt Lori, Marty Knollenberg, Kim Meltzer, Brian Calley, James Marleau, Arlan Meekhof, Kevin Green, John Proos, Tom Pearce

5289-Sponsors David Agema - (primary)
Bob Genetski, Rick Jones, John Walsh, Kenneth Kurtz, Tom McMillin, Matt Lori, Marty Knollenberg, Kim Meltzer, Brian Calley, John Proos, James Marleau, Arlan Meekhof, Kevin Green, Tom Pearce
 

cflpower

Active Member
6299, 6394 were non starters because the attorney, Jones, found it illegal to 'effect' the law in this way. It gets into a lot of legal stuff. They were fall out after the Dagitt case.
616, 618 Were Kuipers attempt at a money grab but fell through because they never would get 75% approval for these bills. And 5288 and 9 were Kuiper kling ons before they realized they were wasting a lot of time.
These last ones might fly someday if we mess up enough and they also get the pharmaceutical plant based drugs on the market and also reschedule cannabis. It has a potential to bring in huge amounts of money for the 10 producers and kill home based growers.
 

cflpower

Active Member
The major thing to remember is that any bill will need a 75% majority to pass. That is almost impossible because if they think they can get 75% which is rare, they add some BS and never get the 75%. Meadows tried to go around that with separate bills 6299 and 6384. Jones figured it was illegal to effect the law this way and they moved on from that.
We are safe as patients and caregivers registered. The only thing the feds have done was a raid on a caregiver that had a lot of plants, over 100. They didn't press charges. When the media confronted the feds for a statement they just said "He had a lot of plants". Go figure....
The political climate we have now will keep the people who try to stretch the law beyond how it was written on the sidelines one way or another. If we stick with compassion clubs at libraries just helping patients with their questions and paperwork etc., keep our growing below 100 plants, keep our usage to private places, we are 10 foot tall and bulletproof as registered patients and caregivers.
One thing to mention is that there are no accounts of law enforcement busting any patients for giving their extra meds to another patient.
 
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