3 Compassion Clubs RAIDED!!

ganja girl

ganja girl

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I didn't realize I was posting on this thread, let's move this discussion about the rules and regs for legislation to Syskinfon (?) thread on Michigan Politicians so everyone will be able to easily follow what is happening. This that ok with you?

You are a great resource for everyone here and we should hear what you have to say. Thank you for some great information, we appreciate it immensely.

cflpower said:
The major thing to remember is that any bill will need a 75% majority to pass. That is almost impossible because if they think they can get 75% which is rare, they add some BS and never get the 75%. Meadows tried to go around that with separate bills 6299 and 6384. Jones figured it was illegal to effect the law this way and they moved on from that.
We are safe as patients and caregivers registered. The only thing the feds have done was a raid on a caregiver that had a lot of plants, over 100. They didn't press charges. When the media confronted the feds for a statement they just said "He had a lot of plants". Go figure....
The political climate we have now will keep the people who try to stretch the law beyond how it was written on the sidelines one way or another. If we stick with compassion clubs at libraries just helping patients with their questions and paperwork etc., keep our growing below 100 plants, keep our usage to private places, we are 10 foot tall and bulletproof as registered patients and caregivers.
One thing to mention is that there are no accounts of law enforcement busting any patients for giving their extra meds to another patient.
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ganjaluvr

ganjaluvr

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technically, to be a plant.. technically it has to have roots.

I mean, if the DEA busts in your front door... and all they find is leaf trimmings from pasts harvests.. its going to be VERY hard for them to make a case against you because they have no proof that you were actually growing cannabis.. they have to have proof.. otherwise their case isn't "legit" so to say..

Me personally, I'm glad I'm legal!! :) I used to not be legal.. and I was so paranoid about growing.. but now that I'm legal (plus I never grow more than two or three plants each grow.. since I only grow for my personal consumption and enjoyment... I'm not a dealer.. just a smoker/grower.

peace.
 
Little Tommy

Little Tommy

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I knew it was just a matter of time before the intent of the law and the letter of the law would start to rip our community open. The people that are abusing the law - shame on you. This law was passed as a means for patients seeking relief. I think the state did a great job setting it up and although there are going to be growing pains there is no need for us to be out there shotting ourselves in the foot. The type of nonsense and hype associated with these dispensary busts is only the beginning. Why can't people wait for dispensaries to be properly sanctioned before drawing all this negative attention. I know, paperwork and waiting is a hassle. It is how change comes about. In the meantime, let's try to not have so much negative press while we are waiting to exhale. My goodness, some of you want everything delivered on a silver platter. Patience Obi-Wan.
 
deprave

deprave

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Open Letter to the public from owner of clinical relief

Many have read or heard my name, Ryan Richmond, in the past few days relating to Oakland County Sheriff Bouchard’s raid on Clinical Relief’s medical marijuana clinic in Ferndale. A friend told me that social change can be accepted by the people much quicker than police actions will let old stereotypes die. If Sheriff Bouchard’s parody of Cheech and Chong were true for Clinical Relief then Police Academy 2 on steroids would be true for the Sheriff’s department – guns drawn with 8 year olds in the sights, a dragnet that placed truly innocent people in solitary confinement with no charges filed, home searches that were about intimidation as opposed to thoroughness. Fortunately, neither parody is true.

Clinical Relief operates within the law and wants to set the standard for our industry. Sheriff Bouchard simply doesn’t like the law because it’s too broad. His approach is guilt by association instead of innocence because of medical benefits. He doesn’t respect what two-thirds of Michigan voters decided.

I welcome clarification of Michigan law. Our clinics want to be members of their communities. We have had a criminology class from Eastern Michigan University, Ferndale police and many different municipal leaders pay us a visit, the same offer was extended to Mike. If Sheriff Bouchard has his way: we, you, have no rights even within the law.

I am an entrepreneur and believe that medical marijuana is the next best thing since sliced bread. Let’s talk about 7,500 caregivers earning from $10,000 to $60,000 supplying Michigan’s medical marijuana needs. That could be 7,500 Michigan families off the unemployment ranks. And, 20,000 less incarcerations, although that’s probably bad for the policing business.
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Serapis

Serapis

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Bag Lady said:
So, we went to our regular doctor for a prescription for MJ and was told that he was afraid of being put on a list!

We went to Dr. Graves that I saw you had suggested some time ago. No problem. We are each others caregivers now. Thank you for that post. I will admit that there were people there that were obviously there just to be able to smoke legally, but were not ill.
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That is exactly my point Deprave. I know I don't qualify at this point in time for Medical Marijuana but I hope at some time in the near future, it is shown to be an effective treatment for severe anxiety. MJ is much safer than anti-psychotics that carry suicide warnings in the black box.

My point was and is, people that abuse the laws will make it harder on those that have legitimate ills. You say you went and got legal from a Dr other than your own, I'd call that abuse, especially if you do not have chronic back pain. There are people dying of cancer and other terminal illnesses in 37 states that cannot legally use marijuana to ease their suffering, but you and people like you skirt their own medical professionals to seek out script mills. And I am not saying it is just going on in MI. a probably has half of their smokers on the MJ rolls.

Call it what you want to, you and I both know that these laws are being abused. I'm not judging you, nor am I accusing you of using MJ for recreational usage, however if you seriously believe that every adult that smokes today is doing it for purposes other than to get high, you are being naive.


Sorry CFL to use your quote to address Deprave, but you put it perfectly. There are MANY taking advantage of these compassion laws and you can get a sense of it daily right here in these forums.
 
ganja girl

ganja girl

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I was out earlier this evening and a patient I know came into the pub. He frequents Everybody's Cafe and he was informative, what he said was frightening.

For what it is worth, he said that Everybody's Cafe is run by the rules. That no one gets in without their paperwork even if they know you. So the papers held by the police must of been forgeries, unless an officer was an actual patient (I doubt it). He said the problem was that some deals were being done outside in the parking lot-not by Everybody's Cafe management.

What is important to know is that the police did go and visit some caregivers that were registered with Everybody's Cafe. So independent caregivers that service patients at a club might be at risk.

Also, the place raided on Williams Lake Road was so undercover that most patients did even know they were there. I didn't know and I live nearby.

Who knows which one will be the test case, but from what I heard Everybody's Cafe probably will be a bad one for Patterson, Bouchard and Cooper. Ferndale may be a different story, I have absolutely no information on it.

This info is second hand from someone that knows the owner, but it is still second hand.

Caregivers beware, behave yourselves, be within the rules.

GG
 
deprave

deprave

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I have been told that it has actually been published the exact same thing with ferndale, cops used fake paperwork, also people sold to patients in the parking lot...Id have to look up the link
 
ganja girl

ganja girl

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Today the Oakland Press wrote that at the Herbal Remedies on Williams Lake Road the police came in with guns drawn and threatened to shoot their dog, a 4 pound Yorkie. For gods sake, no wonder people dislike police! Other than that the owner said they treated him with well.

I do not know since I wasn't there, but I bet, that the owner of Everbody's Cafe was probably a little lippy with the police. But to deny everyone arrested their medications (blood pressure, etc.) is uncalled for and draconian in this instance.

I used to know a chick whose father was a Detroit Stress police officer he used to tell us that arresting 'potheads' was no fun because they didn't put up a fight and were more like-'ok man, you got me.'

Police don't trust 'em, don't like 'em.
 
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cflpower

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I'm not surprised that caregivers flipping their overages to a store would be in trouble. It's illegal.... DUH! The law says you can sell it to your patients to recover your time and supplies it took to grow it.
 
ganja girl

ganja girl

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Yup, that's what it says or at least that is how I read it too.

cflpower said:
I'm not surprised that caregivers flipping their overages to a store would be in trouble. It's illegal.... DUH! The law says you can sell it to your patients to recover your time and supplies it took to grow it.
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ganja girl

ganja girl

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What!?! Keep us informed I can't find any info on it. Wow, they are really serious about this. They will find their test case somewhere.
 
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REDLEG

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cflpower said:
the thing that kills me is that we can do this ourselves. We do not need dispensaries. I've been growing 12 plants since dec. 08 when the law passed. I'm on my 6th legal crop now. If every legal patient would just grow 12 plants we would be neck deep in dank buds. Then there wouldn't be anyone charging $700 an ounce like a slimeball would. Free the weed from the money changers. Grow trees! Let your extra go for a nice low price to your patient friends and these parasites will go away. It's all there for us to have if we grab the bull by the horns and be empowered patients. Take it to heart, keep it private, keep it real. Then we are 10 foot tall and bulletproof! Dispensaries make us weak and poor.
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...bravo cfl,thats the way to do it and do it right,like the other people stated [lets just be happy that we can now grow quality meds at a low cost and give or sell our xtra meds at low costs to patients who cant grow for themselves] if everyone adhered to this advice the community would be unstoppable,because the only attacks on the laws have been over dispensaries in every medical state,not saying every dispensary is greedy and takes advantage,but the good ones are a minority and the bad the majority..this is just my opinion..but this is a fact greed in any form doesnt belong in medical communities...peace and to all who are doing the right thing may your god or gods bless yous..sincerely redleg
 
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marijuana.john.doe

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deprave said:
yes a situation were someone is a cargiver only is questionable but the vast majority have a patient card if they have a caregiver card and vice versa. Patient to Patient transfers are clearly made legal in multiple parts of the law
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Thank you for the clarification... that is great news for me! +rep to you sir.
 
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cflpower

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marijuana.john.doe said:
Thank you for the clarification... that is great news for me! +rep to you sir.
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That might be one of the good things to come from these raids. Dryden was depending on patient to patient transfers for some of their sales to be legal. There are some very good attorneys associated with one of the owners. We should be able to find out(set precedent) whether these transfers are legal, and further, what kind of compensation for these transfers is acceptable. We have already heard from a few in the law enforcement crowd that say they could be legal. Others say they are illegal. Of course, advice means nothing from law enforcement. We can beg and plead for verbal clarification. Clarification only comes from court cases like these.
 
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