4x8 Tent Setup-Yield on "LSD"

m5494

New Member
I am writing a business plan of sorts to estimate total expenses/ costs as well as yield to make sure this stuff is paid for.

This is my current build & plan

x1 gorilla tent- 4x8
x 6'in ventilation and odor control system (carbon filter)
x1 fan to maintain airflow
x2 750 Watt KIND LED lights
x1 under current 6 with 8in net pots w/ 1/10 HP water chiller
x1 60 Gal res
x1 bluelab combo meter (in UC6 epicenter)
x1 blue lab automate PH and Nute controller
x1 paired with bluelab peripod to distribute the nutes to res
x1 tital controls saturn 6
x1 space heater
x1 dehum

I am interested in growing a high yield, high THC strain and have decided on barneys farm "LSD". It is an award winning bud that caught my eye and seems to really produce when in the right conditions/environment. However, I am open to suggestions.

I also plan on getting a 5x5 veg tent to pair so my turnover time is greatly reduced..also with a UC 6 and x2 sun blaze t5 HO, 4ft. 8 lamps

Getting down to business.....
What kind of yield can I estimate? 1 lb? 2? 3?
2-3 week veg. Flower
Any one have any suggestions on growing in a tent? Best practices or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
I am writing a business plan of sorts to estimate total expenses/ costs as well as yield to make sure this stuff is paid for.

This is my current build & plan

x1 gorilla tent- 4x8
x 6'in ventilation and odor control system (carbon filter)
x1 fan to maintain airflow
x2 750 Watt KIND LED lights
x1 under current 6 with 8in net pots w/ 1/10 HP water chiller
x1 60 Gal res
x1 bluelab combo meter (in UC6 epicenter)
x1 blue lab automate PH and Nute controller
x1 paired with bluelab peripod to distribute the nutes to res
x1 tital controls saturn 6
x1 space heater
x1 dehum

I am interested in growing a high yield, high THC strain and have decided on barneys farm "LSD". It is an award winning bud that caught my eye and seems to really produce when in the right conditions/environment. However, I am open to suggestions.

I also plan on getting a 5x5 veg tent to pair so my turnover time is greatly reduced..also with a UC 6 and x2 sun blaze t5 HO, 4ft. 8 lamps

Getting down to business.....
What kind of yield can I estimate? 1 lb? 2? 3?
2-3 week veg. Flower
Any one have any suggestions on growing in a tent? Best practices or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.
There are too many variables for anyone to really be able to say whst yields you should expect. people running UC rdwc systems consistently report 1-2 pounds per plant and many report staying in the 2-3 range. Again, it's really hard to say. I'd check with the UC website about recommended lighting for your specific system and likely plant height. That company has a lot of the logistics worked out and, even though I don't have experience with it, they say they're on top of one on one custom help with their customers. Something to keep in mind is height restriction in the tent.
 
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smokebros

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there is a guy on youtube with a channel called liquidjade. he runs a 4'x8' tent with an undercurrent dwc. he uses two spectrum king 400+'s (one for each 4'x4' area). in my opinion he's a pretty damn good grower but a little annoying at times. it would be worth your time to check out his channel and look through some of his previous grows.

he doesn't disclose yield but i assume he's pulling somewhere around 1/gr per watt with his scrog technique - so that would put him in the 2lb per harvest range. my guess is he's averaging somewhere between .85gr-1.25gr per watt from what i've seen.

since you'll be dropping a few grand on this investment there's no reason to skimp on genetics. i'm not trying to imply barney's lsd is bad, i'm currently growing out two phenos of barney's critical kush and they're both marvelous. but IMO barneys is a step below ocean grown seeds, bodhi, archive, GDP, Cali Kush Farms, etc.

i feel like the $100~ difference in seed price is negligible in the grand scheme of things.
 

SchmoeJoe

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there is a guy on youtube with a channel called liquidjade. he runs a 4'x8' tent with an undercurrent dwc. he uses two spectrum king 400+'s (one for each 4'x4' area). in my opinion he's a pretty damn good grower but a little annoying at times. it would be worth your time to check out his channel and look through some of his previous grows.

he doesn't disclose yield but i assume he's pulling somewhere around 1/gr per watt with his scrog technique - so that would put him in the 2lb per harvest range. my guess is he's averaging somewhere between .85gr-1.25gr per watt from what i've seen.

since you'll be dropping a few grand on this investment there's no reason to skimp on genetics. i'm not trying to imply barney's lsd is bad, i'm currently growing out two phenos of barney's critical kush and they're both marvelous. but IMO barneys is a step below ocean grown seeds, bodhi, archive, GDP, Cali Kush Farms, etc.

i feel like the $100~ difference in seed price is negligible in the grand scheme of things.
Another possibility is to try to source a high yielding strain from clone locally if that's a possibility. Seeds are fun but if the goal is to go straight to ideal yields it's best to skip the longer veg and the pheno hunt if you can.
 

smokebros

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Another possibility is to try to source a high yielding strain from clone locally if that's a possibility. Seeds are fun but if the goal is to go straight to ideal yields it's best to skip the longer veg and the pheno hunt if you can.
true. i'm not sure if op is in a legal state or not. if he/she can get a cut locally then that is certainly a viable option. i've only gotten one cut from another grower and i didn't know to quarantine it at the time - luckily it didn't bring any unwanted pests into my garden but nowadays i'd always quarantine for 7-10 days. i'm also not sure if op has an existing grow in/near where this 4'x8' will be - but that's something to think about before bringing in a cut. op would still need to clone the clone to get to 6 plants and that would take a while - unless he/she could get 6 at once.

if op is looking for a high yielding strain then get some green crack or blue dream from hso seeds. seriously, these two strains are parroted on these forums over and over for a reason. if you get 15%+ thc plus the yield & flavor, i know you'll be a happy camper.

i also want to say once more - there's nothing wrong with barneys, especially lsd. barneys is like jack daniels. above average whiskey, on the medium to slightly higher price range, great flavor, loved by many and purchased a lot. then on the top shelf you see a bottle of black maple hill 16 year small batch. the price is 2-3x more than the jack daniels but the the flavor is phenomenal. you remember tasting that delicious rye flavor several years back when a friend had you try it but never pulled the trigger on getting a bottle for yourself.

is this grow the black maple hill 16 year small batch or the jack daniels?

ok back on my rant..

ogk #18 from reserva privada is a strain i grew out years ago and the pheno i had yielded better than all my other strains under the same conditions. it also responded very well to topping. the buds were absolutely top notch, bag appeal to flavor. it's also a feminized strain.

i'm also not sure if op wants to fuck with regular seeds or not. connoisseur vs commercial should greatly influence the decision on strain to grow. by the time it takes to find the 6 females in a batch or two of regulars, op could be in week one of flower with feminized seeds posting updates on this forum for us to read.


just my 2 cents
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
true. i'm not sure if op is in a legal state or not. if he/she can get a cut locally then that is certainly a viable option. i've only gotten one cut from another grower and i didn't know to quarantine it at the time - luckily it didn't bring any unwanted pests into my garden but nowadays i'd always quarantine for 7-10 days. i'm also not sure if op has an existing grow in/near where this 4'x8' will be - but that's something to think about before bringing in a cut. op would still need to clone the clone to get to 6 plants and that would take a while - unless he/she could get 6 at once.

if op is looking for a high yielding strain then get some green crack or blue dream from hso seeds. seriously, these two strains are parroted on these forums over and over for a reason. if you get 15%+ thc plus the yield & flavor, i know you'll be a happy camper.

i also want to say once more - there's nothing wrong with barneys, especially lsd. barneys is like jack daniels. above average whiskey, on the medium to slightly higher price range, great flavor, loved by many and purchased a lot. then on the top shelf you see a bottle of black maple hill 16 year small batch. the price is 2-3x more than the jack daniels but the the flavor is phenomenal. you remember tasting that delicious rye flavor several years back when a friend had you try it but never pulled the trigger on getting a bottle for yourself.

is this grow the black maple hill 16 year small batch or the jack daniels?

ok back on my rant..

ogk #18 from reserva privada is a strain i grew out years ago and the pheno i had yielded better than all my other strains under the same conditions. it also responded very well to topping. the buds were absolutely top notch, bag appeal to flavor. it's also a feminized strain.

i'm also not sure if op wants to fuck with regular seeds or not. connoisseur vs commercial should greatly influence the decision on strain to grow. by the time it takes to find the 6 females in a batch or two of regulars, op could be in week one of flower with feminized seeds posting updates on this forum for us to read.


just my 2 cents
Quarantine is key with bringing plants in from other gardens. Get a good variable zoom 100x scope and assume they're infected anyway. Spray with a good organic preventative. This should be done even if starting from seed. In my area there's been a population explosion of russet mites that started right after legalization. The only thing we've found that works, can be used a regular maintenance program (weekly) without stressing the plants, and isn't some hardcore nasty chemical is Dr Zymes.
 

justugh

Well-Known Member
I am writing a business plan of sorts to estimate total expenses/ costs as well as yield to make sure this stuff is paid for.

This is my current build & plan

x1 gorilla tent- 4x8
x 6'in ventilation and odor control system (carbon filter)
x1 fan to maintain airflow
x2 750 Watt KIND LED lights
x1 under current 6 with 8in net pots w/ 1/10 HP water chiller
x1 60 Gal res
x1 bluelab combo meter (in UC6 epicenter)
x1 blue lab automate PH and Nute controller
x1 paired with bluelab peripod to distribute the nutes to res
x1 tital controls saturn 6
x1 space heater
x1 dehum

I am interested in growing a high yield, high THC strain and have decided on barneys farm "LSD". It is an award winning bud that caught my eye and seems to really produce when in the right conditions/environment. However, I am open to suggestions.

I also plan on getting a 5x5 veg tent to pair so my turnover time is greatly reduced..also with a UC 6 and x2 sun blaze t5 HO, 4ft. 8 lamps

Getting down to business.....
What kind of yield can I estimate? 1 lb? 2? 3?
2-3 week veg. Flower
Any one have any suggestions on growing in a tent? Best practices or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.
Grow auto flowers

they are feed and water based plants .......a good rdwc system like UC .....(this is assuming u are willing to make monster plants ) 26 oz in 110 days per plant (they tend to go little longer in hydro then in soil )
by doing this u also cut your need for a veggie/ flower area on 2 differnet light settings and time ...this also reduces the cost on support gear and energy use as it can all be done in one area under 1 light timetable using the same support gear for everything

but doing it this way means u are a bi monthly/ quarterly harvester .........the bad part with auto flowers and hydro system is once one in in flower u have to do all flower feed so this would mean u need several rdwc systems to run a weekly/monthly harvest
 

SchmoeJoe

Well-Known Member
Grow auto flowers

they are feed and water based plants .......a good rdwc system like UC .....(this is assuming u are willing to make monster plants ) 26 oz in 110 days per plant (they tend to go little longer in hydro then in soil )
by doing this u also cut your need for a veggie/ flower area on 2 differnet light settings and time ...this also reduces the cost on support gear and energy use as it can all be done in one area under 1 light timetable using the same support gear for everything

but doing it this way means u are a bi monthly/ quarterly harvester .........the bad part with auto flowers and hydro system is once one in in flower u have to do all flower feed so this would mean u need several rdwc systems to run a weekly/monthly harvest
So essentially you'd still need a completely independent garden to stagger stages of growth. Not to mention that you'd either have to order seed for every crop or chemically force a plant in your flowering room to produce pollan for the next generation.
 

justugh

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So essentially you'd still need a completely independent garden to stagger stages of growth. Not to mention that you'd either have to order seed for every crop or chemically force a plant in your flowering room to produce pollan for the next generation.
if u do RDWC yes if u are soil it is simpler and more cost effective but the over all yield shrink still more then enough to pay for self plus a decent life

as for the seeds yes or u can make your own ......just need a strain u like and order a pack of reg auto seeds u will get a male out of 1 of the 5 let it go to pollen then just brown paper bag it (put a bag over it shake pollen in then take the bag put over female same strain (or different) shake it on the branch and harvest the seeds )

when i did my hydro experiments the cost of it broke down to 1 dollar a day for a 4x4 area with 1 plant (seed power feed Phing ) this was 1 plant 26 oz 20 gram 23 oz were sell able 3 were fluffy)...less money more yield alot more work and worry

when i do soil break down it comes out to about 90 bucks a plant ( soil seed power feed) 6-10 oz in 7 gallon planter with a 2.5x2.5 foot print....less yield less work less worry

ok there is one important issue i want to make sure u know about ..........if u lose power for any length of time u are fucked
u need to have a power back up for the air/water pumps for the short term outages and u will need something for the lights for long terms (if u are photo) i seen autos take 3 days of dark with little effect on the over all weight (oil numbers were off tho)
 

SchmoeJoe

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if u do RDWC yes if u are soil it is simpler and more cost effective but the over all yeild shrink still more then enough to pay for self plus a decent life

as for the seeds yes or u can make your own ......just need a strain u like and order a pack of reg auto seeds u will get a male out of 1 of the 5 let it go to pollen then just brown paper bag it (put a bag over it shake pollen in then take the bag put over female same strain (or differnet) shake it on the branch and harvest the seeds )

when i did my hydro experiments the cost of it broke down to 1 dollar a day for a 4x4 area with 1 plant (seed power feed Phing ) this was 1 plant 26 oz 20 gram 23 oz were sellable 3 were fluffy)
when i do soil break down it comes out to about 90 bucks a plant ( soil seed power feed) 6-10 oz in 7 gallon planter with a 2.5x2.5 foot print

ok there is one important issuse i want to make sure u know about ..........if u lose power for any lenght of time u are fucked
u need to have a power back up for the air/water pumps for the short term outages and u will need something for the lights for long terms (if u are photo) i seen autos take 3 days of dark with little effect on the over all weight (oil numbers were off tho)
Photo period plants can also handle a few days consecutive darkness. Greenhouse even recomends something like two weeks uninterrupted darkness before harvesting to get the max resin production out of their white widow.

Hydro is sensitive to power outages because having the water/air pumps go down for a short time will kill your crop.
 

justugh

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Photo period plants can also handle a few days consecutive darkness. Greenhouse even recomends something like two weeks uninterrupted darkness before harvesting to get the max resin production out of their white widow.

Hydro is sensitive to power outages because having the water/air pumps go down for a short time will kill your crop.
that darkness is at the end of the life of the plant not in the middle or begining (at a time they choose and control) .......u can not predict a power failure when it will happen

without light the plant can not build....the light being out just forces the plant to use what it has it helps with a clean smoke and also helps with resin glands swelling but that is done with in 48 hours(and your feed needs to include some sugars) ....2 weeks no light is nutz there is no reason to ever do something like that ......unless delaying harvesting it do to poor planning
 

SchmoeJoe

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that darkness is at the end of the life of the plant not in the middle or begining (at a time they choose and control) .......u can not predict a power failure when it will happen

without light the plant can not build....the light being out just forces the plant to use what it has it helps with a clean smoke and also helps with resin glands swelling but that is done with in 48 hours(and your feed needs to include some sugars) ....2 weeks no light is nutz there is no reason to ever do something like that ......unless delaying harvesting it do to poor planning
that darkness is at the end of the life of the plant not in the middle or begining (at a time they choose and control) .......u can not predict a power failure when it will happen

without light the plant can not build....the light being out just forces the plant to use what it has it helps with a clean smoke and also helps with resin glands swelling but that is done with in 48 hours(and your feed needs to include some sugars) ....2 weeks no light is nutz there is no reason to ever do something like that ......unless delaying harvesting it do to poor planning
That's directly from the original breeder of White Widow, Greenhouse Seed Company. It increases resin production. It would also eliminate all chlorophyll in the bud as the plant uses up what is already there while it's unable to produce more.

As for extended periods of darkness in the flowering period, at the end or not, it won't cause any stress to the plant as long as it is uninterrupted darkness.
 

Gquebed

Well-Known Member
I am writing a business plan of sorts to estimate total expenses/ costs as well as yield to make sure this stuff is paid for.

This is my current build & plan

x1 gorilla tent- 4x8
x 6'in ventilation and odor control system (carbon filter)
x1 fan to maintain airflow
x2 750 Watt KIND LED lights
x1 under current 6 with 8in net pots w/ 1/10 HP water chiller
x1 60 Gal res
x1 bluelab combo meter (in UC6 epicenter)
x1 blue lab automate PH and Nute controller
x1 paired with bluelab peripod to distribute the nutes to res
x1 tital controls saturn 6
x1 space heater
x1 dehum

I am interested in growing a high yield, high THC strain and have decided on barneys farm "LSD". It is an award winning bud that caught my eye and seems to really produce when in the right conditions/environment. However, I am open to suggestions.

I also plan on getting a 5x5 veg tent to pair so my turnover time is greatly reduced..also with a UC 6 and x2 sun blaze t5 HO, 4ft. 8 lamps

Getting down to business.....
What kind of yield can I estimate? 1 lb? 2? 3?
2-3 week veg. Flower
Any one have any suggestions on growing in a tent? Best practices or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.

5x5 tent with a 1000w hid should get you about 1.5lbs with 4 plants vegged 4 weeks.
That was my average with about 6 different strains.

But if its your first grow... probably not. Likely take you two or three tries to get there.

My first grow with the above set up was 4 zips.next was about 9. Then the third was 23.
 

SchmoeJoe

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5x5 tent with a 1000w hid should get you about 1.5lbs with 4 plants vegged 4 weeks.
That was my average with about 6 different strains.

But if its your first grow... probably not. Likely take you two or three tries to get there.

My first grow with the above set up was 4 zips.next was about 9. Then the third was 23.
Even the most experienced grower will need a round or two to dial in a new strain. My personal garden in soil with single ended hps with just an intake and exhaust fan for climate control would average 1.75 a light except for the summer. It worked out to 25$ an ounce not including harvest and trim crews. That made it about 37.50.
 

Gquebed

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Even the most experienced grower will need a round or two to dial in a new strain. My personal garden in soil with single ended hps with just an intake and exhaust fan for climate control would average 1.75 a light except for the summer. It worked out to 25$ an ounce not including harvest and trim crews. That made it about 37.50.
True. But an experienced grower better do better that an ounce a plant on a first run with a new strain...lol
 
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