“ ‘A’ Open Dialogue into Unraveling Homosexuality"

Prophecy

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“ ‘A’ Open Dialogue into Unraveling Homosexuality"


After posting the essay on “Homosexuality”, I have been hearing and realizing that my theory essay is somewhat challenging and enlightening to the more progressive and reasonable minds, if not accurate, in some case and somewhat controversial and adversarial and maddening in other case.

So the idea of this thread, consistently with the first one is to with an “Emotional Psychology and a “Developmental Psychology” platform, that is both naturally, as in from the heart along with the application of the “scientific method and deductive reasoning”, is to encourage constructive and/or edifying dialogue among the gay community that may permit you to unravel primarily through TESTIMONY of what so ever the participants are lead by the revelation of the TRUTH within their hearts and conscience among one another the similar patterns in your life that has potentially manipulate one’s mind into not just homosexuality but all the things that are the motives of conspirators such as the battery, the lies, the wicked witchcraft, the delusions, the entrapments and the flat out (genus) insanity that many evil people use against the meek, as in (once) pure in heart.

Furthermore, in an emphatic and edifying way express one selves in a cathartic way to help each other from within in order to overcome the possible lies and perverted mind manipulation and entrapment ( “wicked” witchcraft) that may have lead many of the gay community, also known as those suffering from “ civilian ‘POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER’”, as a result of this wicked conspiracy into seemingly irreversible conduct, I might add, just because you may have had oral sex with the same sex in your dream means that you have to make every decision thereafter based on that trick.

I might add that the idea of the Divine Scriptures is to permit one with the increasing understanding to develop FAITH as in a personal relationship with God that you may realize one day to make public because of the ever realizing deliverance and conquest of one’s past, that through God’s grace, mercy and enlightenment of His Spirit and Word of Truth increasing, as in maturing in one’s mind, thus more soundly illuminating their true path, that is their original destiny from within their HEARTS, as they purge their wrongs/sins/errors and/or fulfill their shortcomings from within their eternal souls, as they walk out their (super)natural lives on earth onto their super(natural) life.

Note: The goal in the valley of the shadow of death is to understand that God isn’t necessarily going to remove you from it, but that doesn’t mean ht He won’t give you the weapons (His Word and Instructions thereof) to overcome it by way of you allowing it to discipline you unto victory of mind. Spirit/soul and body, according to His perfect will for you.

Ultimate Victory is the deliverance of not just your financials, but that of your mind, body and soul. Jesus Christ is the greatest revelation and/or fulfillment of God’s Virtue on earth known to man today; at best the name of Yahweh, Jehovah, El, and Allah are of the same Spirit thus, infallibility consistent with the reality and/or testimony of Jesus Christ; this is to say all heavenly Truth will lead you to the reality of Christ’s walk unto Heaven, that is, if nothing else, oneness with the Most High God. that is to say, you will achieve the status of co-heir with Christ, as in becoming a “firstborn son of God Almighty”, like Christ.



Book of Romans Chapter 1:25-32

v.25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised, Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over o shameful lists. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. v.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with the lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions.
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind; to do what ought not to be done. v.29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey [the commands of God/Truth in their hearts and conscience] parents; v.31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


"Righteousness through Faith"
Romans Chapter 3:21 – 31
v.21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, v.23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Jesus Christ. v.25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished – he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

v.27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but in that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
v.29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. v.31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


Abraham Justified by Faith
Romans Chapter 4:1 – 25

What then shall we say that Abraham, our father, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about – but not before God.

v.3 What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteous.”
Now when a man works, his wages are not credited t him as a gift, but as an obligation.

v.5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

v.7 ”Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man
whose sins the Lord will never count
against him.”

v.9 Is the blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before!

v.11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

v.13 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless,





v.15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring – not only to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

v.17 As it is written: “ I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed – the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”

v.19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead – since he was about a hundred years old – and Sarah’s womb was also dead. Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,

v.21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.”

v.23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, but also for us, whom God will credit righteousness – for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

v.25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

VVV Original Essay VVV
My current view about Homosexuality.

I think at least 8 out 10 homosexual persons are mentally manipulated into being that way by their environment or an ill minded person. In other words, I think homosexuality is a predominately nurtured condition rather than a natured or natural condition. In other words, I believe homosexuality is primarily learned. It seems to me that the natural manifestation of it (as oppose to the spiritual nature of it) is influenced by a combination of (situational or circumstantial mental and physiological development of the human body) natural chemical process that periodically occur within the human body similar to, if not exactly like the physiological conditioning that takes place during puberty.

The chemical disposition of the human body is always changing, however, in this example, I will recognize two climax that take place after birth: during adolescent (puberty) and during adulthood (rights of passage). These are the physiological aspects of this combination.

The second part of the combination is pertaining to the brain and the mind. As many ought to know, the mind is generally associated to the brain; and the brain is obviously naturally connected to the human body’s physiological system. Therefore, as the physiological system evolves over the years, it is safe to say the brain does also; this change affects the brain from the inside of the body. The mind on the other hand is affected by the various things on the outside of the body; things that exist within our environments and/or cultures. Mindfully speaking, I believe those who are physically gay or in question of their sexuality are experiencing a bout similar to an identity crisis that is the result of not essentially knowing who they really are (as in delusion); and likely because of some degree of emotional trauma, neglect and/or ignorance (lacking knowledge of something).

Self-discipline is very important in life; unless you have discipline over your self (the natural impulses), you will have discipline over nothing that affects you. Self-discipline is also a very important/essential factor in homosexuality and every other abuse/trauma, lust, carnality or addiction; some homosexual’s may feel (en)trapped because they physically acted out and someone in their mind is manipulated that act. These types of friends and/or family are not necessarily healthy for your essential well being righteous development ( this is not to say that that the friend or family member or whatever is conscience of what they do themselves or how they conduct themselves pertaining to themselves let alone you; this is why it is important for you, the actual individual to take initiative and control over your mind/own life’s understanding/destiny). This is not calling you to bring premature judgment of such people before you take the time to bring the appropriate (super)natural) order into your life: mind, body, soul that you may take the necessary time to collect your thoughts without burning any unnecessary bridges.

“The Truth shall set you free”, even if it hurts at first; eventually you will heal if you sincerely and consistently seek out the sources of your setbacks; no one can do this more fundamentally than a personal relationship with God. Personally, I believe gay acts are a result from lust or a lack of understanding of God’s love and sexual discipline; a lack of self-realization and self-identity. I say this because most people today are looking for love in man; without first understanding and realizing the God from which it originate.
“To the left, to the left.”

As with any problem the way to the solution is to research relative knowledge; knowledge to resolve the emotional problem/trauma, to fulfill the shortcoming. An answer with this “gender” of people is to seek information that will enlighten and provide understanding to who their original being is, their essence. Obviously, the first step to healing or curing a problem is to admit or realize that there is a problem/challenge and developing a righteous or clear path that you can take to establish resolve from the inside out intrinsic to extrinsic). Remember, you can’t run and hide from yourself; and justifying hurting yourself because it seems that everybody else is hurting you, ultimately is not the right reaction for you. Remember the evil one wants you to harm yourself for his/her/its self righteous glorification; this is done to steal your true destiny; Thus act best, you must rebuke and resist him/her/it and get your mind right; “The Truth shall set you free”.

Some start up references: Things related to Emotional Intelligence; the philosophy of Aristotle, and ultimately the Divine Truth of God. Jesus Christ is right and he loves you if you let him, regardless of your history or what man says against you.

The true test: If you can honestly measure/contrast your attitude (mind state) and behavior with the Divine Truth; and maintain “the essence” of your sexuality, then according to my philosophy, your faith in the Truth has or will deliver (validate) you. Regardless of what others say God, the Divine Truth in your heart; and God, the Divine Truth in your mind from heaven (and his Word) approves of you. The confirmation of your sexuality being right is to make sure your standards are not superficial, carnal or a lie: the mind can be a delusional thing.

I believe the church should accept homosexual people, but to challenge them with the Holy Spirit lead Virtue of God, as they would any person. If they can stand the refining Fire of God's Holy Word and Spirit, then their faith has delivered them. But, ultimately, a personal relationship developed/matured/established from you reading the Word of God/Truth and being faithful to his Spirit as it is revealed on your conscience will be your fortified mind/destiny.

If you are homosexual or are having homosexual thoughts; I suggest that you give it three to five years of diligent soul searching before you act on it (again).
 

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
Get a life.leave homosexuals alone.They were born that way.Why would anyone choose persecution?You're the one who is evil, spouting off hatred towards people who don't share your beliefs.You're a homophobe who tries to use religion to batter and shame a group of people you are afraid of. You must have many homosexual tendencies, and are trying to fight them.You cannot deny what you ARE,and all you're doing is trying to incite hatred and prejudice.If god hated homosexuals so much, why does he even allow them to exist in the first place?You are a narrow minded, evil man who hides behind scripture in an attempt to conceal your true self.You are neither Christlike, or christian.Give it up, Poseidon/Prophecy, because in every thread you make regarding this, I will tear you down.
 

Doctor Pot

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He's not evil or malicious in any way, I don't think. He's trying to state his beliefs in a reasoned, and not hate-filled, manner. Responding the way you did (Stoney) is a lot more narrow-minded than Prophecy's original post.

That being said, I don't agree with Prophecy. I've studied human brain chemistry as it relates to sexuality (wrote a paper on it as a matter of fact), and while homosexuality is definitely not primarily genetic, it does seem to have a lot to do with the prenatal hormonal environment. Our brains form such that we are physically attracted to the opposite sex. This makes sense from a survival standpoint, obviously. Animals are the same way.

However, our brains don't flip one way or the other based on genetics, but based on hormones. For instance, there is a genetic disorder (androgen insensitivity syndrome) in which a person can be born with no testosterone receptors. An embryo with a Y chromosome, but no testosterone receptors, will develop into a person who both looks and acts like a heterosexual female, but is infertile.

Anyway, scientific consensus is that the hormones coursing through our bodies before we are born are ultimately what flips us one way or the other as far as a male or female brain. But there are all sorts of situations where those hormones are insufficient or ambiguous. For instance, maternal stress hormones can interfere with the fetus's sex hormones, causing its brain to not totally flip one way or the other, or flip the wrong way.

The number given by GLBT activists is typically that 1 in 10 people are gay, although this really isn't true. The true number is more like 1 in 10 people are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. About 1% of people are transgendered, and maybe 4% are gay or lesbian, and the rest are presumably bisexual to varying degrees. Of course, bisexual people can go either way, and environment is often the deciding factor. I think most bisexuals wind up in heterosexual relationships because it's a lot more convenient and easy. Still, there are definitely people who have switched from being in a homosexual relationship to a heterosexual one. Hell, I know at least one. But of course, there are people who switch the other way too.

Anyway, the bottom line is, sex and gender are a lot more complicated than we think they are, but there is a definite biological element there.
 

Stoney McFried

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Obviously, Dr. Pot, you haven't read any of his other posts.Therefore you don't have any idea why I respond to Prophecy as I do.Suffice it to say, this is not the first time, and it probably won't be the last that I challenge his ideas and attitudes regarding tolerance of certain groups,and the use of religion as a tool to divide, and subvert a group of people he doesn't approve of.This is not an opportunity for discussion;Prophecy does not discuss, he copies and pastes religious sermons that he has prepared in advance.He just wants to draw more and more people in to listen to them.Well, I for one am tired of religion attempting to control the lives and minds of the populous.I'm tired of remaining silent about it.Women, homosexuals, and many other "fringe"groups have suffered enough at the hands of Christian dogma, and I for one, am going to speak up any time I see it.Forcefully,and truthfully.Because if they can preach at me, they can listen to me preach back.
 

buddly

Active Member
I'm a homosexual and have been a member here for some time. This is the first time I've seen this topic on rollitup. Quite frankly, I'm VERY disappointed and offended that rollitup allows this totally off topic subject here.
I've never mentioned my sexuality here. It's not a topic that has anything to do with growing or smoking.
These biblical cherry pickers need to get a life.
Their personal bias has no basis except in their own minds.
There are many sects of religion, all DO NOT agree!
So go put that in your pipe and puff on it.
geeeesh
 

Bongulator

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Why the hell do people even CARE what other consenting adults do with themselves? If you try to poke your penis up my bum, okay, we've got a problem. But that's never happened. It's none of anybody's business what I do in my bedroom, or whom I do it with. And it's none of my business what goes on in other peoples' bedrooms either. ANYTHING that people do together that makes them happier -- more power to 'em.

If you've got religion, great, but keep it in your OWN bedroom. It's like an affront to privacy, to be trying to preach or dictate what other people should and should not do with their own genitals.
 

GrowRebel

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People that put down homosexuality are usually latent homosexuals themselves with a self hatred ... why else would it bother them so much? ...
 
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