A Thread Discussing Prop 19: PLEASE don't campaign, just the facts and fears!

[budlover13]

Well, I won't tell you where I stand on the issue as a California resident. If you've been around, you should know. I just think it's time to start a discussion thread that leans neither way. Kinda like a scientific experiment: Only facts and opinions backed up by facts. How do California residents feel about it or what questions do you have? Other residents: What do you think?

 

[beardo]

i'm for legalization and against prop 19

 

[GympGyrl]

California resident and it concerns me that the government wants to be so involved. I think they are going to screw us small time growers over.

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

California resident and it concerns me that the government wants to be so involved. I think they are going to screw us small time growers over.

not the government, they are meant to help.

 

[Hayduke]

I want to know how Arnie's Decriminalization affects the wording of prop 19...An end the drug war website claimed that it changes the crimes created to infractions. If anybody knows...

 

[Dan Kone]

California resident and it concerns me that the government wants to be so involved. I think they are going to screw us small time growers over.

The government didn't write or encourage the writing of prop 19. Ballot measures aren't written by the government at all. Any citizen who gets the necessary amount of signatures gets whatever they want on the ballot. Beyond requiring the collection of signatures, the government gets little to no say in what measures go on the ballot.

And yes, under any circumstances there will be people trying to fuck other people over. That is a fact of life. It happens with or without prop 19.

 

[beardo]

I want to know how Arnie's Decriminalization affects the wording of prop 19...An end the drug war website claimed that it changes the crimes created to infractions. If anybody knows...

It will over ride arnolds decriminalization

 

[gupp]

This is a human question, it's up to humans to decide how they act.

It remains to be seen if drug violence will go down, go up, or remain the same.

It is un-passed, so it remains in question what the effect will be on so many factors.

We do know however that it will legalize the sale of marijuana if passed.

This is not in compliance with current federal law.

The only current state law allowing production of marijuana is proposition 215, which allows grows of medical marijuana.

Proposition 215 has some amount of protection from the federal authorities.

The following changes will be made by proposition 19:

The law (I-19) allows local governments to authorize taxes on authorized marijuana activities. The taxes can be for revenue or to offset the cost of marijuana activities.

The law states that any citizen over 21 may grow marijuana in a 25 square foot area.

The law also states that the state may enact new laws increasing the amount of marijuana allowed.

Also, it allows new laws that can regulate commercial production of marijuana.

It allows stores to sell up to one ounce of marijuana per customer per transaction to persons over the age of 21.

In addition, anyone over the age of 21 may possess up to one ounce of marijuana at any time.

Maintain existing laws on interstate or international transport of marijuana.

Any licensed marijuana seller found guilty of negligence for selling marijuana to persons under 21 will be banned from owning, operating or being employed in a licensed marijuana seller for one year.

You will be fined and receive up to six months in prison if you are 21 or older and give or sell marijuana to a person aged 18 to 20. Edit: only if you are a licensed marijuana seller. current laws regarding sale/giving marijuana to minors remain the same for individuals.

Any licensed marijuana seller who sells marijuana to persons between the ages of 14-17 will receive a jail sentence of 3-5 years. this is 3-7 years if they are under 14.

Law unchanged for driving while under the influence.

State law is unchanged for giving or selling marijuana to minors.

Edit: State Law is unchanged regarding marijuana on public schools.

No individual may be fined, punished or discriminated against for any activity allowed under this law.

Employers will still have the right to address employees about on-the-job consumption of marijuana if it affects an employee's job performance.

Edit: consuming marijuana in the presence of minors is prohibited. In addition, individual possession of marijuana must be for consumption only, not sale.

------------edit: end changes.

It will over ride arnolds decriminalization

Legalization will override decriminalization. edit: I think so at least. i am looking for an explicit override clause.-

- edit 3: here it is
https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/375668-issues-prop-19-solved-now-21.html
post #205

 

[undertheice]

it probably won't pass. even if it does, it will end up held up in the courts for years (remember prop. 8?). instead of special interests stepping in to try and have it overturned, the fed will step in just as they have with arizona's immigration initiative.

of course it won't add to the state's revenue as has been touted, but it is a step in the right direction. the limitations that are built into this law are the necessary crumbs that must be put in place to allay the fears of the general public that has lived under reefer madness propaganda for decades.

of course the small time growers will be hurt, but they'll just have to find a way around the extra competition and deal with life just as in any other legitimate market. their profit margin has been protected by the illegal/quasi-legal status of their commodity and things are a whole lot tougher in the real world.