- i just stopped using dyna gro permanently at day 17 in flower after i saw how slow the plants were growing and i was even doing a 50/50 mix of grow and bloom. ive been running my blubonic at 3-400 ppm (ec x 500) and even though the plants are healthy the growth rates arent there. last crop i ran sensi 2 part with big bud and my plants were 3 ft after 21 days. using dyna grow none of my plants are even 2 ft tall and theres only 4 days of growth left so i know there not gonna reach anywhere near 3 ft. usually when i use the 2 part i notice big jumps in growth daily in early flower like 2-3 inches and then im all exited but with the dg i never noticed this happening so i was worried the whole time. and its not about dialing them in cause everything is healthy. homebrewer i dont know about connoisseur but all i can say is the 2 part with big bud is the shit and im never doubting it again no matter what anyone says. no one can say i never tried out the dg and i had high hopes of using it permanently but i cant use it anymore.
ive noticed other people talk about you shouldnt use dg during the first few weeks of flower for certain reasons but you should switch to it later so i dont know maybe its better to use it after the stretch. there is no doubt in my mind what so ever the 2 part/big bud grows my plants much faster than dyna gro. i just wanted to start this thread to let people know i tried both and this is what i think.
also if anyone has tried both please post your results. after what i saw im confident alot of people will see the same results i did
after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part
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CR500ROOST
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I think you should atleast finish the grow before you make youre decision.
i thought about that but theres too much money to lose. since theres only 4 days of growth left i need to make sure i get the plants as big as possible. we're talkin about a 4' x 8' tray under 2 lights so its alot of money. like i said before though theres no doubt in my mind that the 2 part is alot better from what ive scene im not gonna lose any sleep from not finishing with dg its not even close.
RawBudzski
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Won't be a lot of money if they go south 
If it was your choise, would you rather have slower growth with less yield with Great Quality.. or Fast growth, higher yield, w/ less Quality. not saying this is the case, I am just wondering.. cause I know people who choose the latter as cash croppers.
If it was your choise, would you rather have slower growth with less yield with Great Quality.. or Fast growth, higher yield, w/ less Quality. not saying this is the case, I am just wondering.. cause I know people who choose the latter as cash croppers.
Milovan
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"If it was your choise, would you rather have slower growth with less yield with Great Quality.. or Fast growth, higher yield, w/ less Quality. not saying this is the case, I am just wondering.. cause I know people who choose the latter as cash croppers."
I give this a "Like".
I give this a "Like".
i didnt wanna have to type all this other stuff out but i guess i have too. i started using dyna gro about a month ago on another crop. the crop was already a month old using the 2 part. the 5th week i started using dg thinking i would get bigger better buds than the 2 part. ever since then the plants are 64 days old and im not impressed with the bud size or the amount of crystals. dont get my wrong everything looks good but im used to seeing my shit grown with the 2 part and im not seeing as good of results. i know alot of you guys arent gonna believe what im saying in this thread because people hate a.n but its all good i just wanted to let people know incase they were interested. i got a good feeling alot of other people are gonna say the same thing when more testing starts being done because of homebrewers threads.Won't be a lot of money if they go south
If it was your choise, would you rather have slower growth with less yield with Great Quality.. or Fast growth, higher yield, w/ less Quality. not saying this is the case, I am just wondering.. cause I know people who choose the latter as cash croppers.
another quick point homebrewer ran a test with connoisseur and he said even though dg had a bigger yield no one could tell the difference in quality and plus this debate has always been about yield not quality. people were never saying the quality with advanced nutrients were lacking
o my fuckin god! ok so the lights just came on i noticed the plants just got a huge growth spurt since yesterday when i switched back to the 2 part. i dont care what anyone says dyna gro is not touchin the 2 part/big bud combo. im glad i at least tested out another nute cause now i know how good the 2 part really is. if anyone really loves dyna gro i suggest you test out the 2 part and let use know the results you wont be sorry
homebrewer
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No disrespect but you've posted some really weird observations at multiple forums in regards to your plants and I've yet to see one picture of a plant of yours at any stage. Will you post some photos of your grow here?
I also noticed you're feeding at '3-400ppm' on the .5 scale. First thing; why are you not feeding at a more precise EC? '3-400ppm' is a big range, I could tell you exactly where each-and-every res of mine is at within 30ppm at any time during the week. Secondly, 3-400ppm is a good range for vegging. You're at almost week 3 of flowering and you're wondering why you're getting slow growth? There is your answer.
jimmy1life
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Its food feed them when there hungary. keep it consistant dont tweak out bout the shit holy moly. Maybe the ppms r off who knos bravo an works dg works gh works. use it right
im growing blubonic which is a blueberry strain and as you know they can barely handle any nutes. i noticed some tip burn at 400 with the dg thats why i backed off to 300 where im currently at thats why i said that. next crop im gonna keep them at exactly 300 the whole way. i just found my camera recently so i can post some pics if you want you just have to show me how to do it cause i dont know. even with pics its not gonna prove anything cause im not doing a side by side test.
phillipchristian
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I've gotta say man I am with Homebrewer on this one. I'm super confused. I'm not sure of any strain specifics but I can't imagine a plant not being able to handle 400ppm of nutes as long as the NPK wasn't straight N or something crazy like that. I am a heavy feeder but even then my plants are getting 250-300ppm in week 1 of veg after they have completely rooted. I mean my clones get 150ppm Clonex. By week 1 of flower every strain I have ever done is between 700 and 1000ppm. I'm also confused as to how your plants could have swelled up that fast in a day or two after changing back to Advanced? It just seems impossible. Especially if you are feeding them the same 300ppm's. Look man, I am not trying to be a hater. Homebrewer and you both know that I use Advanced but something has to be off here.
theres nothing off here we will just have to agree to disagree when it comes to nute strength. ive almost never had the need to go higher than 3-400 ppm in flower with no veg time. ive only went to 500 once without a problem and that was on a straight huge yielding cash cropper type strain. theres even someone else i bumped into on these forums that does the same thing as me and he also uses the 2 part
phillipchristian werent you the person that was about to do the side by side with dyna and a.n? are you using the 2 part with big bud and overdrive? if so i cant wait for you to do the comparison so you can see for yourself just watch. the leaves are also standing up more now like there craving more light, the plants look more healthy and vigorous
phillipchristian
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I hear ya man. I am doing one in May when the next crop goes in. I'm gonna do it all the way from veg to harvest. I am not doubting your skills man or anything. It's just that is the first time i've ever heard of someone keeping ppms that low. You learn something new everyday. I jumped in cause I saw that someone was doing an AN vs Dyna thread and wanted to see what was up. Since you push straight to flower maybe that's why your ppms are kept low. Not sure cause I've never grown that style. I'm using AN two part but I use a bunch of their additives during different stages. Been messing around with different formulas and ratios over the years and I've kinda got it down to schedule that I like. I'm gonna throw it up against Dyna Grow, Bloom mag Pro, Pro Tekt, and KLN. I though about adding some Great White but I've done some research and I still don't feel that it's ideal for Hydro Setups. I don't buy into all those beneficials in hydro setups cause most of that stuff is insoluble and in a hydro setup you really only want soluble nutrients as water is your grow medium and you have no buffer. I don't know. I may try a tea recipe I got from Hellraizer. At worst I think it might help with pH stability and algae in buildup in my trays late in flower. I'll keep you posted for sure man.
you said "Since you push straight to flower maybe that's why your ppms are kept low"
this is exactly why i keep mentioning no veg time so you understand what im doing. 5-6" plants cant handle alot of nutes. phillip since your doing the comparison i dont think its a good idea to use all those things from dyna gro. you should just do the dg bloom/grow vs sensi 2 part big bud/overdrive combo. the more stuff you use the more it could affect the test and you wanna see which base nutes are better pretty much. other than big bud/overdrive i personally only use b-52 and bud candy but i also used it with dg so it was a fair comparison. i dont wanna tell you how to do it but if it was me thats what i would do cause i wouldnt wanna leave any room for doubt
this is exactly why i keep mentioning no veg time so you understand what im doing. 5-6" plants cant handle alot of nutes. phillip since your doing the comparison i dont think its a good idea to use all those things from dyna gro. you should just do the dg bloom/grow vs sensi 2 part big bud/overdrive combo. the more stuff you use the more it could affect the test and you wanna see which base nutes are better pretty much. other than big bud/overdrive i personally only use b-52 and bud candy but i also used it with dg so it was a fair comparison. i dont wanna tell you how to do it but if it was me thats what i would do cause i wouldnt wanna leave any room for doubt
phillipchristian
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Yea, but my comparison is looking to find out if there is a nutrient recipe that can produce more yield or higher quality buds than my AN formula. I've talked to a lot of guys who use Dyna and they all recommend KLN and ProTek, and I think Mag Pro is an obvious one. I wanna test them totally independent. Don't want to be mixing any AN in with the Dyna. If Dyna comes close I may try it witha few AN supplements and see how that turns out. I like using Voodoo Juice in veg and I use Big Bud, Ovedrive, and Bud Candy as well plus a couple others with throught the flowering process. I liek B-52 as a foliar spray throughout veg. Anyway, I'll keep you posted and let you know when the thread is up.
sounds good cant wait to see it. i got a strong feeling your gonna find out you were using the better shit all along lol
homebrewer
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Actually, I remember you talking about that strain in your thread here called 'plants are still yellowing at 1800 tds wtf!': https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228988
The fact that you're feeding so low now confuses me since two months ago you claimed your plants would go from yellow to green in two hours after getting flooded with those ridiculously high levels of food. In your first post you even said you tried 1900ppm like that was somehow working better than 1800ppm.
Pictures mean a lot as you're certainly entitled to your opinion on what plant food works best for you but your opinion needs to be put into context. If you've been growing successfully for decades, I'm sure the pictures will show that. On the other hand, if you were just asking about the ideal pH range for hydro this past January, the pictures may reflect that someone still needs to dial-in their process and environment.
i was trying to fix a problem in that thread thats why i went that high its a very long story. i know i made a mistake doing that im not perfect. it will take me forever to type out all my past shit and reasons why i did certain things in the past. im not here to convince people that i did the test right i just wanted to point out the results just to let people know incase they were interested. i already knew there were gonna be people that came here saying i must of did something wrong and its all good. also i havent been growing for decades ive probably done a total of like 30-40 grows in my life. i never claimed to be an expert grower but i can easily tell which nutes are better in this situation because ive finally dialed the plants in after trying a huge range of ppm's in the past. all im saying is that when other people get the same results i just got dont forget about this thread
ive known the ideal ph for hydro for years. i was asking chimera because he has a different opinion than everyone else and i wanted to know why he was saying what he was saying. he was telling people to do a ph of 6.3 for hydro and ive never gone that high before so i was curious
like i said before if you wanna see pics il post some but i dont know how to
homebrewer
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Ok, all I'm saying is post some pictures of your grows. While we're waiting for those photos, here are some pictures of my AK47 around day 60 with the only difference being the plant food (same environment, same feeding levels, same lighting, you get the idea) :
Dyna-Gro:
Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur:
